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Author Topic: New Perm Mag Engine Design 1.5 : 1 Ratio (work from magnets)  (Read 35163 times)

Offline lumen

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Re: New Perm Mag Engine Design 1.5 : 1 Ratio (work from magnets)
« Reply #45 on: September 05, 2013, 07:14:02 PM »
"Work" is essentially the area under the graph (the integral of the graph or curve). One would have to write grams as kilos and millimetres as meter and to multiply the whole with "G = 9.81". But this would just alter the aspect ratio and not the comparison Floor is interested in.

If (a < b) then (a*c < b*c) as long as c is a positive constant.

Greetings, Conrad

Yes I can agree.
Though the entire test should be repeated with another test fixture of better precision (no knocks about the proto test device) to rule out any errors and to determine energy gained to see if a useful machine can be built.
 
The process appears too simple to be missed in the many years of testing magnetic fields so one naturally wonders where the error lies if any.
 

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Re: New Perm Mag Engine Design 1.5 : 1 Ratio (work from magnets)
« Reply #46 on: September 05, 2013, 08:41:11 PM »
@ lumen

Thanks for the response / interest / posts

Yes I agree the concept seems to simple to have been missed by so many years of testing.

@AllReaders

I am putting together a list of error checking procedures.

Allso please find attached the PDF file "TD Graph totals"

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Re: New Perm Mag Engine Design 1.5 : 1 Ratio (work from magnets)
« Reply #47 on: September 07, 2013, 08:03:18 AM »
@ All Readers

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Re: New Perm Mag Engine Design 1.5 : 1 Ratio (work from magnets)
« Reply #47 on: September 07, 2013, 08:03:18 AM »
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Offline Floor

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Re: New Perm Mag Engine Design 1.5 : 1 Ratio (work from magnets)
« Reply #48 on: September 07, 2013, 08:06:07 AM »
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Re: New Perm Mag Engine Design 1.5 : 1 Ratio (work from magnets)
« Reply #49 on: September 07, 2013, 10:51:45 AM »
@Floor:

Your measurements, the photos and of course your machine are so exceptionally well done that I will try to redo your graphs in Microsoft Excel. Just to see that everything checks out (which probably will).

But it will take time, because it is not my main area of interest.

Friction is difficult to measure and I am not sure how to put friction into the calculation. Possible effects of vibrating the machine are also not clear to me. These are interesting technical problems. 10% measurement error in a mechanical contraption is not much according to my unimportant opinion. Theoretically a very small COP, e.g. 1.1 or even 1.0001 , would be enough to proof OU, but practically speaking, one will always be accused of not having measured accurately enough.

Floor, what you could do is to clearly name the different "strokes" or "steps" which your machine does and to define the order in which the "strokes" should happen. This would help to talk about it. I see four "strokes" or "steps".

I tried to list the four strokes in this post
http://www.overunity.com/13699/new-perm-mag-engine-design-1-5-1-ratio-work-from-magnets/msg369721/#msg369721


The optimum presentation would be:

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For each "stroke"
- name of the stroke (e.g. "stroke 1" or "stroke A")
- a drawing or photo with arrows indicating the movement
- the measurements (a list)
- a graph

For each friction measurement:
- name of the stroke during which the measured friction happens
- the friction measurements (a list)
- a graph

Then the order in which the strokes should happen (may be a simple diagram).

A discussion of the result (by help of overlaid graphs)
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I am not ordering you to do this, it is just what I would do in order to interest other people in this principle. Presentation is very important if you want to have an audience. Everything is already in the files you published in this thread, but the reader needs a huge effort to piece everything together. And not many will make the effort. You may also want to present your results elsewhere (in a journal or at a convention) and then you also need a nice presentation.

I am also of the opinion, that it is good to have more machines (in different sizes), not just one. It always happens that the only existing machine fails when presented, which is a bummer. It is also very convincing if two or three machines show in principle the same results. I know it is a lot of work. It all depends on how much of your time you want to put into this idea. The costs do not seem to be very high (if a few hundred Euros are not a problem). And it is an interesting idea, even if it is not OU.

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: New Perm Mag Engine Design 1.5 : 1 Ratio (work from magnets)
« Reply #49 on: September 07, 2013, 10:51:45 AM »
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Offline Floor

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Re: New Perm Mag Engine Design 1.5 : 1 Ratio (work from magnets)
« Reply #50 on: September 07, 2013, 08:04:02 PM »
@conradelektro

Thanks again Conrad

Up to this point.

1. TD or TD test unit for (twist drive).

2. RO for (rotating magnet)
     a. RO pulley
     b. RO pulley shaft
     c. RO graph xyz ??? (undecided) I want to use meaningful / descriptive but short  labels not just 1.a 1.b stc..
     d. etc.

3. SL for (sliding magnet)
     a. sL pulley and so on

I don't want to spend time to debate some one who hasn't  taken the time to understand the device / concepts.
(I don't mean you)

I'm not looking for PR public relations right now, but rather PR peer review.

I agree that my "big picture" organization is a mess at this time.  My thinking  / formulation process is "stream of consciousness "
style. I focus / act upon parts as they arise,  then focus on / organize later.  I have focused up to this point upon what is, all ready a great deal of organization.  I'm working on it.

As always your observations and advice are well received. 

And as before, please take the time you want / need.


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Re: New Perm Mag Engine Design 1.5 : 1 Ratio (work from magnets)
« Reply #51 on: September 08, 2013, 05:47:49 PM »
REVIEW MATERIALS 1           REVIEW MATERIALS 1         REVIEW MATERIALS 1         REVIEW MATERIALS1

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Re: New Perm Mag Engine Design 1.5 : 1 Ratio (work from magnets)
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Offline Floor

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Re: New Perm Mag Engine Design 1.5 : 1 Ratio (work from magnets)
« Reply #52 on: September 09, 2013, 07:21:46 PM »
Here is a simple explanation of the effect of SL string stretch

Please find attached file TD SL string stretch model JPG

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Re: New Perm Mag Engine Design 1.5 : 1 Ratio (work from magnets)
« Reply #53 on: September 11, 2013, 04:21:10 PM »

I took some serious time to clean up my file folders, and my "big picture" organizing is coming together.

So far I'm still afloat, and not upon the proverbial unsanitary tributary, with no means of propulsion !

Her are some error checking results.

I didn't know that GIF files can't be uploaded

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Re: New Perm Mag Engine Design 1.5 : 1 Ratio (work from magnets)
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Re: New Perm Mag Engine Design 1.5 : 1 Ratio (work from magnets)
« Reply #54 on: September 11, 2013, 04:26:25 PM »
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Re: New Perm Mag Engine Design 1.5 : 1 Ratio (work from magnets)
« Reply #55 on: September 20, 2013, 09:31:55 PM »
I still hope for peer review.

Has anyone done or is anyone planning to do error checking on my paper work, or is anyone building their own version of a"TD" test device ?

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Re: New Perm Mag Engine Design 1.5 : 1 Ratio (work from magnets)
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Re: New Perm Mag Engine Design 1.5 : 1 Ratio (work from magnets)
« Reply #56 on: September 21, 2013, 01:41:29 AM »
Hi floor,
not sure I understood correctly how the machine will work...
Is it you turn one magnet against another which makes them to repel at certain distance, where the work of turning is less than the work produced by the repelling?

The pulley doesn't have to be cylindrical, but rather in the shape of a cam to reflect the changing torque or the repelling force.


Offline Floor

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Re: New Perm Mag Engine Design 1.5 : 1 Ratio (work from magnets)
« Reply #57 on: September 21, 2013, 04:46:21 AM »
@telecom

Yes you understand correctly.  Except,  I originally thought that it would take less force to close the gap between the magnets by
rotating than by sliding. The measurements say that it is the other way around.  It takes less force to close the gap by sliding than by
rotating. A lot less.

Using a cam could even out the forces, but it would be a really unusually shaped cam, and very steep. I think some other method would
be needed.

At this time I am preparing to republish all of the information in a simple and clear way.

I am hoping that others will duplicate the tests, but so far no one has offered to do so.

                                                   thanks for your time and the ideas.


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Re: New Perm Mag Engine Design 1.5 : 1 Ratio (work from magnets)
« Reply #58 on: September 21, 2013, 06:32:12 PM »
I wonder if LE magnet can be replaced by a solenoid?  This will greatly simplify the operation, as long as it stays within your equation.

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Re: New Perm Mag Engine Design 1.5 : 1 Ratio (work from magnets)
« Reply #59 on: September 21, 2013, 08:31:29 PM »
@telecom

Thank you for the suggestion / ideas.

I am building a second test device. This might take some time. The new device will be able to test solenoids, and permanent  magnets of various shapes and designs. 

Do you build prototypes?

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