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Author Topic: New Perm Mag Engine Design 1.5 : 1 Ratio (work from magnets)  (Read 35158 times)

Offline Floor

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Re: New Perm Mag Engine Design 1.5 : 1 Ratio (work from magnets)
« Reply #15 on: August 10, 2013, 10:52:52 PM »
@conradelektro


I just read your last post, and am just now, responding to your previous post as well.

My response is attached as the file "TDfloors reply 2 conradelektro 2 "  PDF

2 previous long winded post are also attached

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Re: New Perm Mag Engine Design 1.5 : 1 Ratio (work from magnets)
« Reply #16 on: August 11, 2013, 03:37:43 AM »
@lumen

Hello Lumen

I was not totally able understand  the descriptions and explanations given in your last post. Can you clarify them.

Please find attached the file TD floor 2 Lumen 2

 
Yes, those dimensions are good.
 
The idea is that the cylinder is attracted to the ring magnet to the point where the field through the center hole causes an equal opposing force and stops attraction.
 
At this point, it also becomes easier to rotate the cylinder, in fact, there are ways to reduce the rotation force to near zero.
After rotation of the cylinder, the slide will now repel.
The forces could be very high using Neo magnets with the dimensions you are showing.
 

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Re: New Perm Mag Engine Design 1.5 : 1 Ratio (work from magnets)
« Reply #17 on: August 11, 2013, 04:03:40 PM »
@conradelektro

           Thank you for the compliment,  and the more complete analysis.


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Re: New Perm Mag Engine Design 1.5 : 1 Ratio (work from magnets)
« Reply #17 on: August 11, 2013, 04:03:40 PM »
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Offline Floor

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Re: New Perm Mag Engine Design 1.5 : 1 Ratio (work from magnets)
« Reply #18 on: August 11, 2013, 04:12:30 PM »
I am interested in examining the interaction of various shapes of magnets and magnetic fields.  I like your idea, and will consider building a device to test it. 


        Thanks again
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Re: New Perm Mag Engine Design 1.5 : 1 Ratio (work from magnets)
« Reply #19 on: August 11, 2013, 04:16:52 PM »
@lumen

          My previous post is to lumen

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Re: New Perm Mag Engine Design 1.5 : 1 Ratio (work from magnets)
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Re: New Perm Mag Engine Design 1.5 : 1 Ratio (work from magnets)
« Reply #20 on: August 11, 2013, 06:32:23 PM »
@Floor:

I am reading your reply (PDF-Files) very carefully and want to make some drawings about further measurements. I am sure, your machine allows to do meaningful approximative measurements which will clarify the situation. And doing and analysing these measurements will be instructive.

But it takes time, please hold on for a few days.

Greetings, Conrad

P.S.: About cynicism: Yes, I tend to be cynic and sometimes derogative. But I think that in the presence of outrageous unsubstantiated claims one is allowed to be a bit direct and angry. I hold for myself that I am never cynic and derogative when presented with measurements, clear diagrams and understandable facts. I have no problems with errors, misunderstandings and lack of knowledge. I myself have little knowledge and make many errors, but I try to learn. I really hate if someone says "I have made a great discovery but I can not tell you what it is!". This is BS of the worst kind. There should be physical punishment (whipping or waterboarding) for such statements. If you want to keep a secret, please shut up. If you have something to tell, please do it in a clear, complete and logical way. You will find many people interested in it.
« Last Edit: August 11, 2013, 08:34:51 PM by conradelektro »

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Re: New Perm Mag Engine Design 1.5 : 1 Ratio (work from magnets)
« Reply #21 on: August 11, 2013, 09:08:35 PM »
@ conradelektro

Please,  take the time that you want to.  Honest input will be well and happily received, whenever it arrives.

About irresponsible statements and claims, and especially an unwillingness to hear well reasoned argument.  Believe me, I can relate to the way you feel. 

But please consider, there are also, many kinds of irresponsible and statements and claims.

Have you ever been tortured ? ........

          greetings
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Re: New Perm Mag Engine Design 1.5 : 1 Ratio (work from magnets)
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Offline conradelektro

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Re: New Perm Mag Engine Design 1.5 : 1 Ratio (work from magnets)
« Reply #22 on: August 12, 2013, 11:13:08 AM »
For all experimenters who want to calculate "force" and "work" I put together a small recapitulation of high school physics. (See attached PDF-file.)

I needed that anyway for Floor's machine.

We want to use proper terms and proper mks units like the professionals, that looks much better.

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: New Perm Mag Engine Design 1.5 : 1 Ratio (work from magnets)
« Reply #23 on: August 12, 2013, 04:24:37 PM »
I could do the diagrams for careful measurements. This is how I would measure. See the attached PDF file.

@Floor: may be you have the time and the will to do the measurements? We could then do a careful calculation.

The diagrams would be enough, no physical details about the magnets are necessary. The diagrams will implicitly contain all facts (up to a certain precision, which should be good enough for a proof or disproof of principle).

Greetings, Conrad

P.S.: I am pretty sure that my suggestions are correct in principle. But there could be some little errors because one has to be very careful and systematic when writing this.

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Re: New Perm Mag Engine Design 1.5 : 1 Ratio (work from magnets)
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Re: New Perm Mag Engine Design 1.5 : 1 Ratio (work from magnets)
« Reply #24 on: August 12, 2013, 08:01:25 PM »
@conradelektro

Thank you very much. 

I am excited to sit down with the file and proceed with the measurement process, come what may in terms of the findings.

An experiment is only a bad one, when  one accidentally  drops the beaker and it breaks on the floor. Although  important discoveries have even been made this way to.

P.S.

After reading your last post to me and after my reply. 

Late yesterday afternoon, my time, I read and scanned through, nearly the entire (over 1 year long) thread about a certain heat to electricity device. The postings / event were rather an interesting study in social behaviors on internet forums.  I believe I now have a better understanding of some of social dynamics of forums and in particular of over unity.  We humans need to learn how to say, I'm sorry, please, and thank you, and mean it.

After reading that thread, I then Looked at the archive of your postings here at OU.  I give you an over all grade of A, for integrity.  I hope I can do as well here.

Greeting  floor

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Re: New Perm Mag Engine Design 1.5 : 1 Ratio (work from magnets)
« Reply #25 on: August 13, 2013, 09:27:56 AM »
@conradelektro

After reading that thread, I then Looked at the archive of your postings here at OU.  I give you an over all grade of A, for integrity.  I hope I can do as well here.

Greeting  floor

@Floor:

It is easy to do better than I am doing in these threads, because I get angry when reading embellishments and boasts. And I wish I could do more experiments. It is easy to talk/write and so very hard to build something decent.

I have a tendency to rant about sharing and patents. But I am a bit proud that I found and tested some Joule Thief type circuits and pulse motor circuits which I could replicate successfully. (I did nothing new. I understood, replicated and measured.)

Your magnet machine is the first "permanent magnet contraption" that caught my interest, because you are measuring instead of claiming. And I realy would like to analyse your "curves" once you have done the measurements. Do not try too many measuremenst, because you could loose interest. I think that about fife to seven measurements per set are enough. For the "pure friction set 3A and set 4A" three to five measurements are enough.

The measurements do not have to be evenly spaced along the track. Put more and more water into the container and note how far the sledge moved or the rotation proceeded. You can note the angles from your scales. One can calculate "distance" from "angle".

A measurement set would consist of five to seven pairs of numbers: angle (or distance in mm) - millilitre. I just need these "pairs of numbers" and will do the diagrams with a drawing program (TurboCad) and the calculations with a spread-sheet (MS-Excel).

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: New Perm Mag Engine Design 1.5 : 1 Ratio (work from magnets)
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Re: New Perm Mag Engine Design 1.5 : 1 Ratio (work from magnets)
« Reply #26 on: August 13, 2013, 05:32:22 PM »
@ conradelektro


I am taking the day, to get some recreation and exercise. i will do the next measurement sets later in the week. 

Cheers
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Re: New Perm Mag Engine Design 1.5 : 1 Ratio (work from magnets)
« Reply #27 on: August 25, 2013, 06:27:25 PM »

I am taking the day, to get some recreation and exercise. i will do the next measurement sets later in the week. 

Cheers
        floor

Floor, are you sill planing to do some measurements?

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: New Perm Mag Engine Design 1.5 : 1 Ratio (work from magnets)
« Reply #28 on: August 29, 2013, 04:31:42 AM »
@conradelektro

yes.

 I'm still looking forward to doing measurements.  Some money making projects, and another magnet related project have kept me busy.
I may begin measurements to marrow.

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Re: New Perm Mag Engine Design 1.5 : 1 Ratio (work from magnets)
« Reply #29 on: August 29, 2013, 11:46:45 PM »
No measurements yet!

I'm still doing prep.  Here is a progress report.  My printer is out of ink so,  right now,  I am at the local library printing out a chart to write down measurements upon.

I may finish by this evening ?

                                                 Cheers
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