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Offline conradelektro

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Re: Ernst says he has the "goods" on Tesla and has filed a patent
« Reply #30 on: August 08, 2013, 09:40:08 PM »
@TinselKoala and all Tesla Coil experts:

According to my humble and rather inexperienced opinion the Slayer-Exciter or Kacher circuit (with a transistor instead of a spark gap) is a very powerful modern versions of the Tesla Coil circuit.

I am talking about a circuit similar to the one attached. One can leave the upper end of the secondary free (no "CFL with parallel capacitor") and has a way to produce long sparks without the hussle of a spark gap. The spark gap was necessary for Tesla because he did not have modern transistors. But today we have very strong and very fast transistors and can work with them.

One could introduce a more clean switching, may be with a second transistor, which would allow to increase the input Voltage from 12 V to may be 24 Volt. May be one can use a MOSFET with a second transistor to switch the Gate cleanly.

Cleaner switching would also allow for more power through the primary (without heating the transistor too much). May be one can feed 100 Ampere through a sturdy primary. The back EMF of the primary could be discharged to ground with a strong Zener-Diode (parallel to Drain/Collector and Source/Emitter) to protect the transistor.

So, may be the experts would go along this rout with me, at least to develop a circuit on paper.

I am not so much interested in "OU or free energy", rather in a moder Tesla Coil circuit which delivers long sparks with a rather low input. Or said differently, I am interested in a very efficient Tesla Coil circuit which transforms most of the input energy into long sparks (and does not wast energy in the rather obsolete spark gap, does not need a motor to turn a rotary spark gab and does not need an air compressor for quenching).

The Slayer Exciter or Kacher circuit driven with batteries also looks a lot safer to me because it has less critical components. The only dangerous High Voltage part would be the secondary. A lot of current through the primary from batteries even at 100 Ampere and 24 Volt can cause burns but no shocks (in case the back EMF of the primary is dissipated to ground).

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Re: Ernst says he has the "goods" on Tesla and has filed a patent
« Reply #31 on: August 08, 2013, 11:27:10 PM »
@Conrad:
You are right that the Slayer Exciter is a type of Tesla coil. It is "self resonant" in that it oscillates at its natural resonant frequency and even compensates for changes in the local capacitance so it stays "in tune". As your schematic shows, the Exciter and the Joule Thief have essentially the same circuit and work by the same principle.
True Tesla Coils have air-core resonators, that is, non-saturable cores. JTs get their performance with small amounts of wire because of the cores, but the core material also prevents getting to the true Voltage Rise by Standing Wave Resonance that a non-saturable core can achieve.
I've built and demonstrated a Slayer exciter, but better solid-state Tesla coil designs exist that can produce faster rise and fall times in the primary circuit. Just as with spark-gap coils, the transition time in the primary oscillation is the key to high voltage rise in the secondary.
The short fat coil in the photo above is a ClassE SSTC using a single mosfet in a self-triggering circuit reminiscent of a Bedini SGM. For the field map and the CFL photos it is running on 24 v input at about 1.5 amps. The TinselKoil 2 is a more traditional mosfet H-bridge based SSTC clocked by a TL494 pulse-width-modulation motor driver chip, very popular with SSTC builders. It can run on anything from 24 volts from a battery, to 200 VDC from an external supply, but I usually run it on rectified mains power through an isolation transformer and its built in DC rectifier.

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Re: Ernst says he has the "goods" on Tesla and has filed a patent
« Reply #32 on: August 09, 2013, 12:40:09 AM »
Hello ,

although I agree with conradelectro to some extent, a spark-gap has certain characteristics which almost no transitor I know can match.

I will give you here some findings of wesley done some time ago:

http://www.kps.or.kr/home/kor/journal/library/downloadPdf.asp?articleuid=%7B20EB858D-1A4D-4903-8BF1-113BCB3934A4%7D

Wesly posted this link at the Kapanadze-thread page 684, Reply #10245 here for evalutation of sparkgaps:
http://www.overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/10245/#.UgQWmFJnSuI

http://rfierro.ecen.ceat.okstate.edu/summa/notes/SwN/SwN28.pdf


Here a very interesting website of professionals I found. Why are these people put so much effort in this technique ?
http://www.electrotherapymuseum.com/SparkGaps.htm

Heinrich Hertz experimented with spark gaps and UV-Light. Scroll down to the level where the picture of Hertz is and read the paragraph starting here:
"In 1887, Heinrich Hertz observed the photoelectric effect"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photoelectric_effect

Blowing air into spark gaps ... this was known since the works of Hertz in 1887 !

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Re: Ernst says he has the "goods" on Tesla and has filed a patent
« Reply #33 on: August 09, 2013, 03:13:35 AM »
A repost from Ernst at Energetic
 
From Here 
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/11952-wardenclyffe-teslas-true-intention-19.html
 
Quote,
 Yesterday late, I remembered I forgot an important key to this system: Earth Resonance.
I mentioned it a few times but I did not explain how it works yet.
It is a little bit different from what I thought first, and what I believe anyone would think.
But if you understand these first videos, you are bound to figure it out.
Anyway, this is the second time that I planned a small pause in the video releases and later realised that I should do a bit more. I'll see what I can do today.

Someone from another forum (and probably another reality) is asking how I measure HV.
That is actually a very good question because he is doing it wrong.
Tesla mentions that to obtain streamers from a 38 cm (diameter) polished metal sphere, you need 3 million volts to get enough charge density.
This charge density, of course, depends on the surface of the sphere (4 PI r²) and the charge relates to the voltage and capacitance C = Q/V or Q = C V. The capacitance in pF = 1.111 times the diameter in cm. From this you can determine the required charge density to be 28 nC/cm².
So now you need 1 perfect polished sphere and you can calculate at what voltage streamers will start to appear. With this sphere you can calibrate a Tesla coil, and with that you can test other top-loads that you may have and (at a fixed power level) you can measure arcing distance with these top-loads. At a fixed power level and with a fixed top-load you can say that the arcing distance is relative to the voltage, but increasing the power or sharp edges (or radioactive material or ....) increases this distance for the same voltage.
Streamers, as I said before, are an interesting phenomenon. There is an illusion of movement, but there is none. It is like a glass plate breaking, you can see the break (right word?) growing, giving the illusion of something moving inside the glass. But there is no movement. A sharp edge ionises the air, making it conductive and thus creating a point, a bit further away, from which air will ionise. The point where the electric density is strong enough to ionise the air is moving, creating an ionised path, while loosing energy of course. So the more power you supply the longer your streamers will get and once your streamers hit a metal object a current will start flowing (=discharge).
So there is a bit more to it than just measuring the arcing distance.
In the video where he claims 1.2 MV (36 cm discharge at 1 KW), considering the many sharp edges on his top-load and the 1 KW, my estimate would be closer to 300 KV.

Enough said about that. More interesting things to do. (http://www.energeticforum.com/images/smilies/smile.gif)

Ernst.

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Re: Ernst says he has the "goods" on Tesla and has filed a patent
« Reply #34 on: August 09, 2013, 04:12:33 AM »
Well, let Ernst have his fantasies. Of course a large perfectly polished sphere will hold more charge and Telsa's numbers are correct, as usual. So? He has shown no evidence for his voltage claims, and I have. Sphere-to-plane gap tables are available on the internet, and if he thinks my top capacity is too rough to produce a 1 megavolt spark then he should provide some counter evidence -- while at the same time showing that _his_ top capacities might be capable of supporting his claimed voltages.

But whatever dude. I'm gonna "guess" that I might know more about measuring high voltages than he does, but I'm always willing to be corrected... when I'm wrong.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eogpGHFgV6E

I get 300 kv sparks from my better VDG machines, actually measured with proper calibrated equipment, and I get 500 kV sparks from my Bonetti machines, ditto.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fWasxYQZZw

But like I said, whatever. Ernst is applying for a Patent! I've never done that. So more "power" to him.


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Re: Ernst says he has the "goods" on Tesla and has filed a patent
« Reply #35 on: August 09, 2013, 04:22:11 AM »
Hello ,

although I agree with conradelectro to some extent, a spark-gap has certain characteristics which almost no transitor I know can match.

I will give you here some findings of wesley done some time ago:

http://www.kps.or.kr/home/kor/journal/library/downloadPdf.asp?articleuid=%7B20EB858D-1A4D-4903-8BF1-113BCB3934A4%7D

Wesly posted this link at the Kapanadze-thread page 684, Reply #10245 here for evalutation of sparkgaps:
http://www.overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/10245/#.UgQWmFJnSuI

http://rfierro.ecen.ceat.okstate.edu/summa/notes/SwN/SwN28.pdf


Here a very interesting website of professionals I found. Why are these people put so much effort in this technique ?
http://www.electrotherapymuseum.com/SparkGaps.htm

Heinrich Hertz experimented with spark gaps and UV-Light. Scroll down to the level where the picture of Hertz is and read the paragraph starting here:
"In 1887, Heinrich Hertz observed the photoelectric effect"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photoelectric_effect

Blowing air into spark gaps ... this was known since the works of Hertz in 1887 !

Regards

Kator01

You are right about all of that, of course. For low frequency (large) powerful coils nothing can beat a properly designed spark gap. But semiconductor technology is getting better all the time and there are some IGBT based coils that are pretty spectacular performers. But those things are really expensive.
Proper downstream pulse shaping to give fast rise and fall times to a semiconductor's output waveform can allow good results from cheaper power semiconductors like mosfets.
I never claimed to have "invented" the blown gap! Certainly it has been used from the beginning by people who wished to avoid power arcs in their interruptors. I am surprised that it isn't used more today, though, and I stand by my statement that many existing coils using rotary breaks would see performance increases if they also used blown quenching in addition to fast rotary speeds.
One of the very best spark gaps I have used for 2kW class coils is a five-element fixed gap constructed eighty years ago according to a Tesla design. This thing had heavy nickel disks as the elements and it produced thousands of tiny sparks between the disks and worked an absolute treat. I wish I had it still today. It didn't need blown quenching or rotation, it just quenched itself.

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Re: Ernst says he has the "goods" on Tesla and has filed a patent
« Reply #36 on: August 09, 2013, 12:38:36 PM »
Number 7 in this series,
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmE61u2zUkY&feature=youtu.be
 
Thanks for looking and for all the Comments so far !

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« Reply #37 on: August 10, 2013, 03:10:14 PM »
Here I have a comment form One of O.U.R. friends who is replicating /experimenting with Ernst's work.
 
Quote,

Really interesting developments with regard to Ernst's series of videos. It's a series which I fully support, for spreading awareness and regaining a focus on the methods - at the least.
In my opinion, Wardenclyffe was every bit the magnifying transmitter, or could have easily become one with just 1 change and i'll explain why.

With reference to the 5th vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bDXyv6n_rA (Preview)
0:19 - Tesla's magnifying transmitter
0:32 - Le is wound backwards to the coil underneath, called Ls
Regarding the Patent drawing for Wardenclyffe (attached), the huge pole thing rising up the middle could as easily be the coil Le !!!
Within Ernst's videos he describes how the top load should be huge for a magnifying transmitter and, that shuttlecock looking thing on Long Island sports the perfect example of one.
 
With reference to the drawing:
C is the Primary
G is the condenser value (capacitor) across it
A is the Secondary
E is the Ground connection from the Secondary to the actual Earth (see Colorado Springs notes and quote "In this system that I have invented, it is necessary for the machine to get a grip of the Earth").
B leads out from the Secondary to join with B'
P is the topload
B also sits within the magnetic fields of A, similar to how the densest flux of a bifilar pancake coil is contained right in the very middle. That lower positioning within the field of the Primary limits breakout from any miscalculated experiment.
 
A backwards wound B' would be the key to the understanding of it and the flux field that contains coil A has also to be understood, for the importance it also has.
B' is always taken to be a metal pole and indeed Tesla makes mention heavily of the need to limit arcing, through such measures as the hood - but not everything in a Patent is there, or people would copy it blindly. In this case, the fine gauge windings of a reverse wound B' may have given way to a tall shiny thing, resembling a pole dancers tool of her trade. By being a counter wound coil instead, there would be a nullification of the energies promoting electrical break out, in common with the properties of a Caduceus coil node point. Try to draw a finely wound coil of tall sizing and see if it doesn't end up looking like B'.
For evidence of the down playing of certain features of the Patented tower design (Pat: 1,111,732), one only needs to witness the tiny box of an earthing point shown from the Secondary !
 
 

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Re: Ernst says he has the "goods" on Tesla and has filed a patent
« Reply #38 on: August 10, 2013, 06:20:11 PM »
Here I have a comment form One of O.U.R. friends who is replicating /experimenting with Ernst's work.
..........

@ramset:

Since you seem to be in the know, could you explain in a few clear sentences what Ernst is claiming?

Is he claiming OU? (More power out than he puts in?)

Is he claiming energy from somewhere? (E.g. energy from the earth, from the ether or from the electromagnet field around the earth?)


We get a lot of teaching and claiming, but what is it all about in essence?


So, I am not asking for disclosure (my god, I do not want to take away the greatest invention since the wheel from anyone). I am asking for a clear statement of what Ernst thinks he can achieve and what one could do with this alleged achievement.

Well, later, once we are allowed to see the famous Ernst-Patent, I might be so bad as to ask for proof. But right know I would be content to understand why it should be worth while to wait for publication of the Ernst-Patent. What goodies will it give to the world?

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: Ernst says he has the "goods" on Tesla and has filed a patent
« Reply #39 on: August 11, 2013, 12:31:22 AM »
Conrad
I am not sure where the Angst and vitriol come from or where the "BS" or other disrespectful
comments have a place here...
 
Now you want to know the Claims .... the way you have been commenting I would of thought you had a copy of the patent in front of you?
 
You come along with a punch in the face greeting and then ask "I'm sorry what did you say"?
 
I'm a bit Cranky over this At the moment....
 
thx
Chet
 
 
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Re: Ernst says he has the "goods" on Tesla and has filed a patent
« Reply #40 on: August 11, 2013, 01:42:09 AM »
@TinselKoala and all Tesla Coil experts:

According to my humble and rather inexperienced opinion the Slayer-Exciter or Kacher circuit (with a transistor instead of a spark gap) is a very powerful modern versions of the Tesla Coil circuit.

I am talking about a circuit similar to the one attached. One can leave the upper end of the secondary free (no "CFL with parallel capacitor") and has a way to produce long sparks without the hussle of a spark gap. The spark gap was necessary for Tesla because he did not have modern transistors. But today we have very strong and very fast transistors and can work with them.

One could introduce a more clean switching, may be with a second transistor, which would allow to increase the input Voltage from 12 V to may be 24 Volt. May be one can use a MOSFET with a second transistor to switch the Gate cleanly.

Cleaner switching would also allow for more power through the primary (without heating the transistor too much). May be one can feed 100 Ampere through a sturdy primary. The back EMF of the primary could be discharged to ground with a strong Zener-Diode (parallel to Drain/Collector and Source/Emitter) to protect the transistor.

So, may be the experts would go along this rout with me, at least to develop a circuit on paper.

I am not so much interested in "OU or free energy", rather in a moder Tesla Coil circuit which delivers long sparks with a rather low input. Or said differently, I am interested in a very efficient Tesla Coil circuit which transforms most of the input energy into long sparks (and does not wast energy in the rather obsolete spark gap, does not need a motor to turn a rotary spark gab and does not need an air compressor for quenching).

The Slayer Exciter or Kacher circuit driven with batteries also looks a lot safer to me because it has less critical components. The only dangerous High Voltage part would be the secondary. A lot of current through the primary from batteries even at 100 Ampere and 24 Volt can cause burns but no shocks (in case the back EMF of the primary is dissipated to ground).

Greetings, Conrad

Hi Conrad, I made an Armstrong Oscillator which is a kind of feedback oscillator,
but I was looking for a small input while creating good resonance so I could
conduct certain experiments. I'm not answering because I think I am an expert or anything,
as I certainly don;t claim to be or think I am. I just thought it could help a bit.

I agree with Tinsel on most things, and I support Ernst's efforts.

This is the first successful "resonant" feedback oscillator I built, it works ok but is fiddly
it took some tuning to get it to work as it did and it was still not exactly as it should have been.

Also it uses just one low side mosfet. A half or full bridge is much better I think.
The problem I found with the Kacher was the transistor heating because of not exactly "proper" switching.

At frequencies over 1 Mhz I had problems with my mosfet driver chip getting quite warm to hot.
Not sure why but at some times there was erroneous oscillations in the drive circuit, which may have caused that.
With more experience or time I could have sorted it.

This is a video of the oscillator using about 3 Watts but producing some fairly good effects on a couple of receiver transformers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJd8TNC75AI

And the schematic is below, which can't really be just copied, the value's need to suit the transformer and such ect.
It might help with some parts of designing or modifying your own circuit.

Everything is still here and workable, but not set up the circuit produces quite impressive voltages on the primary,
it can get to over 150 volts peak to peak on the primary, and I did have a video showing the primary oscillating power measurement which was
kinda ridiculous it was so much. Cant remember exactly but it was a lot. Something like 45V RMS and 5 amps of RMS current, I think from memory or about 220 Watts of oscillating power or "Activity".
I can't seem to find the video.

You can see with little load the uA meter (dodgy field indicator) shows a medium value near the oscillator, but that drops when the receivers are loaded.
It does easily pin the uA meter if it is placed in the correct place.

I did some figures with the Spark gap coil and with 15 pF charged to 150 000 volts 750 000 times a second.
I used the charge in a capacitor app (electronics assistant) to get a value of 0.168 Joules x 750000 = 126000 Joules per second of "Activity". With less than 500 watts input, more like 380 Watts. I guess the 126000 joules per second could be considered as Watts of oscillating power or HP if divided by about 750 so, about 168 HP with 1/2 HP input.

These are kind of conservative figures, theoretically if the charge did not leak off my Spark Gap coil could develop voltages from a transformation rate of about 1:220 with 8000 volts input of 1.76 Million volts even without resonant rise.



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« Reply #41 on: August 11, 2013, 03:52:59 AM »
If I do the figures for the oscillating energy in the ( secondary-extra- top load ) it shows how different the two methods are as in where the power oscillates.
With the small transformer driven by the Armstrong oscillator it has a transformation ratio of only 1:39 or so, then if the terminal capacity is 25 pF and the Frequency is 900 Kc and being a continuous wave transformer it gets resonant rise so if only the 12 volt input was oscillating in the primary the transformation rate would make 468 volts the terminal gets charged to. If the 45 volts is oscillating in the primary then that makes 1700 volts the terminal gets charged to. so if I take 1000 volts and 25 pF I get 0.0000125 Joules 900000 times per second which is  11.25 Joules per second of activity, or it could maybe be classed as 11.25 Watts of power oscillating in the secondary oscillating circuit. But there is much more oscillating in the much lower resistance primary circuit to make it happen. and only a few Watts input.  :)

My spark gap coil primary does not have a residual resonant action it's open circuited unless the spark gap is conducting so there is no real oscillating energy in it's primary.
It's shock exciter to the to the secondary oscillating circuit. Where the Armstrong oscillator is more like a wave excitement of the secondary oscillating circuit.

I don't think any proper power transmissions can be done without the continuous wave transformer characteristic and the primary "tank" to allow for reactive power to return to the tank.

I found the Karcher I made only worked at a lower harmonic of my transformer frequency, so I didn't like that much, that's ok with small loads but a heavy load will damp the free oscillations, whereas with a continuous wave transformer there is power in every oscillation, no free ringing. But lots of powerful resonant rise when no load or "when tuned to an appropriate load"..

I also think HV shock excitement of Tesla coils at certain frequencies can be detrimental to health. No way on gods green Earth will I ever allow the discharge from the Spark gap coil to conduct through my body, not on your nelly. The reason being that when loaded the actual input and to a degree the output frequency is that of the Break rate not that of the transformer. And 200000 volts at 400-800 Hz will cause damage. I'll bet my lefty on that. It likely would not cause death in the way that touching the primary coil would, but it still would not feel very nice.  :o

We must remember to be very extra careful with high voltage and powers, especially when working alone. I have a routine I never part from to ensure my life continues after the experiment ends. It's the PFC caps at 240 v and the 240 Mains, as well as the primary voltage, current and capacitance that I see as the most lethal area's. I have been bitten by the 240 mains and did survive somehow many years ago and I did also get bitten by a series of discharges 2 nF at 4000 volts which gave me a good thumping. Won't happen again though.  :-[ I felt pretty stupid after that one. Even though it made me smarter.  :P

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Re: Ernst says he has the "goods" on Tesla and has filed a patent
« Reply #42 on: August 11, 2013, 10:43:01 AM »
Can somebody explain to me why Ernst says that the full explanation was given with that vid nr 5 ?
It isn't complete at all in my opinion. This is not the way to get immortal the way Eric Dollard is.

If mr. Tesla, who was all for humanity, would meet the two, who would he prefer ?  Haven't we been
teased and fooled around enough with ?  Most of us live in pain.  Did anyone see new facts ?
I certainly didn't.  Eric Dollard gets a book out soon. Again he will be the one to help us it seems.  :'(

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« Reply #44 on: August 11, 2013, 06:38:50 PM »
@Farmhand: Thank you for publishing your Armstrong Oscillator. This is exactly what I am looking for. It will take me some time to understand it, but I will try hard.

Greetings, Conrad
 

 

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