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Author Topic: Company,s that doing research in magnetic gravity in Europe?  (Read 10399 times)

Offline umit

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Company,s that doing research in magnetic gravity in Europe?
« on: August 04, 2013, 01:52:43 PM »
Dear readers, i am located in Europe, i have build one magnetic device that runs for 10 days, without electricity.

This project that i am working on is succesfull for the full 10 days, i am just a normal guy with a low paid job.
To work further with this project, i need help, because the time i want spent to make the project last longer, taking time and money.

Are there company,s in Europe that work on such projects, and welcome ideas that works and support to make the idea long last working?

I would be very happy for any information regarding my project, i did not test to add a generator or dynamo on it, it probely not work in this stage due to its small size.

How ever it keep on turning the full 10 days, what is magical to see.
Hope for any information, thank you all.

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Re: Company,s that doing research in magnetic gravity in Europe?
« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2013, 12:07:27 PM »
Hi umit,

What do you mean on magnetic gravity?  Do you mean you have permanent magnets in your device and you also utilize gravity for helping the rotor with further motive force?

Well, perhaps in the design laboratories of big companies which manufacture electric motors or any other engine able to give rotary torque to a shaft, the design engineers who are bold enough to think in a 'heterodox' way to give some consideration to such designs you are talking about, perhaps there are such engineers out there...  problem is such topic is not mentioned openly in the companies agendas. Private small companies may also tinker with such devices but their whereabouts or their agendas are not known either.  And if you approach any such company, there are chances that you yourself will be placed outside from your own device after a certain time and they will carry on the ball, file a patent application or they just close it into a drawer for a later time...

Regarding your project, it would be the best if you yourself demonstrate it, it is not a problem you did not test it with a generator attached to it, it would be enough you show it running to people you trust. Perhaps Stefan Hartmann the owner and runner of this forum could visit you, he is in Berlin, Germany and he has already offered his personal visits for such cases in the past.

What is the mass of your rotor i.e. how many gramm or kilogramm does it weight approximately?  Because if your rotor has been running for 10 days now, it has to defeat air drag (and friction drag if the shaft has ball bearings) and nevertheless energy is also needed to keep the mass of the rotor in rotation.  How noisy is your setup while running? How big it is now? Do you think it is scaleable up to give higher output power like some hundred Watts or even some kiloWatts?  I ask too many questions....  :D

rgds,  Gyula

EDIT Please, do not change or modify your presently running device unless it stops running due to some failure in a component. The best would be to start building another device...    By the way what is the approximate RPM now?

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Re: Company,s that doing research in magnetic gravity in Europe?
« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2013, 12:30:39 PM »
Hi thank you for the comment, the total weight is around 3 kilograms, and it is around 50 centimeters in diameter.

And yes, most of the engineers think it is heterodox, how ever i think someone with those thinking are heterodox by them self, I think the engineers who thinks that have a lack of creativity or experience, and protect them self for losing them jobs, or they still not can accept that there are simple non-studiet person that actually archive more as they do, but that is my sight of the view of those sceptics.

The machine makes sounds, but not annoying, because lack of funds i used cheap materials, with proper materials it reduces the sound significantly.

This concept is based on pushing and pulling the magnets what creates his movement.
I did see information about the owner, that he visits people, at this stage i want to complete my project before showing it, some few persons know it,and i registered it in the Netherlands in the tax office, in The Netherlands if you not have a patent, you can register your information as proof that you made it, its a nice future from the country.

Anyway, i believe when he runs longer, or even when  he stays at 10 days, i could make the construction stronger what creates energy.
If not, it will be a nice artwork to sell for cristies or sothebys :)

But in this stage i believe it has potential, and i am not raising funds at all, just need a workshop the materials, non discloser contract, and a final contract if achivment is made as discussed. Nothing els.

Sorry for my horrible english :)

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Re: Company,s that doing research in magnetic gravity in Europe?
« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2013, 12:30:39 PM »
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Re: Company,s that doing research in magnetic gravity in Europe?
« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2013, 01:18:54 PM »
Hi,

I think if somebody is not able to think in a "heterodox" way in engineering topics than there can be no progress at all...  :D I agree with you on what you wrote on the engineers situation at a company and that a simple person can achive more i.e. outperform many 'big hat' engineers.

Thanks for the further comments on your device.  How much Euro do you estimate the magnets would cost and any other components?  (not counting the machining hours, just the magnets and other crucial components). Just curious. 

You mention gravity in the title of the thread and you wrote above the concept is based on pushing and pulling the magnets what creates rotor movement: I would like to know how much % motive torque comes from the magnets and how much % from gravity?

greetings,  Gyula

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Re: Company,s that doing research in magnetic gravity in Europe?
« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2013, 01:36:05 PM »
Hmm, i am glad you think the same about the engineers, however i disagree with the thinking in a heterodox, people archive more with forwarding positif taughts then get stepped back due to heterodox taughts, but this discussion wil be entless, and i respect every person taughts,its like discussion about taste of food, everybody have is own taste :).

Gyula, i am experimenting with magnets around 8 years, and got interested in OU in 2003.
Prices of magnets and materials is cheap, the amount of money is so low that its not need to say how much, lesser then 500 euro for sure, if its not 200.

The amount of time what i put in it is differend Gyula, that is years before i reach so far as i am now.

For now i become so far in this stage, i want further the process in full time,not part time, that is the most expensive costs, i have bills to pay.
I never ever calculate your question in percentage.

I made everytime differend adjustments on the construction till finally it turned and keep on turning.
So with luck and much puzzeling.

But if i look at the construction and i need to give indication, i would say 60 to 70 percent torch and between 30 to 40 percent gravity


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Re: Company,s that doing research in magnetic gravity in Europe?
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Re: Company,s that doing research in magnetic gravity in Europe?
« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2013, 01:57:40 PM »
@umit:

I read in your post:

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I did see information about the owner, that he visits people, at this stage i want to complete my project before showing it, some few persons know it,and i registered it in the Netherlands in the tax office, in The Netherlands if you not have a patent, you can register your information as proof that you made it, its a nice future from the country.

I conclude that you might not be the "inventor" or "owner" of this device or idea. Whatever is the case, you (in case it is your idea) or the "owner" (in case it is someone else) should get a patent first.

The best way is to go to a patent attorney who will do everything for you. To file a patent in the Netherlands will cost about 3000.-- to 4000.-- EUR (money for the patent attorney and fees).

http://www.octrooigemachtigde.com/dutch_belgium_patent_attorneys.htm

Within a year of filing the patent in the Netherlands one has to decide to file it internationally, which will cost up to 100.000.-- in case one wants to include the whole of Europe, the USA, Japan, China and India.

But after one has filed the patent in the Netherlands (or in any other country initially) one has one year to show the thing around and to get expert advice without loosing the idea. During this first year it will become clear whether to go on or not.

To be honest, I think it will not be anything useful, but you should try in a professional way.

The professional way is to file a patent in your home country (e.g. in the Netherlands) and then you show the device to as many people as possible so that you hear all the reasons why it will not work.

It might sound expensive to first spend 3000.-- to 4000.-- EUR initially to file a patent, but it gives you the mental and practical freedom to get expert opinion. And then you will save a lot of money and time, because you will have learned what your "thing" is really about.

Trying to hide the "thing" will keep you away from expert opinion and you will for ever cling to your misconceptions.

So, what is the good way:

1) Spend the 3000.-- to 4000.-- EUR on a patent attorney who files a patent in the Netherlands.

2) Once the patent is filed (within a few weeks after the patent attorney started his work), you start talking to people. And you have one whole year before you have to decide on further patent protection in other countries.

3) By talking to many people and by showing your "thing" around, you will understand what you really have.

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: Company,s that doing research in magnetic gravity in Europe?
« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2013, 02:10:59 PM »
Thank you for the information, i have that same information, how ever i thank you for that.

At the other hand, you sound negative, to invest money to lissen at the end from experts that why it will not work, maybe i am wrong.
Any negative comment does not work for me, or distract me from what i am doing.

Thank you again for your information,

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Re: Company,s that doing research in magnetic gravity in Europe?
« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2013, 02:24:54 PM »
Hi umit,

Only one (last) comment on thinking "heterodox": I used inverted commas " " all the time for the word heterodox in my above posts, and I meant thinking outside the box, not in a negative sense of that word at all.

Thanks for the answers, I understand the long years you have spent experimenting with magnets. And going full time with tinkering in this area involves indeed more and more money.

I hope you will find someone with the needed facilities to carry on improving your device. Good luck!

Greetings,  Gyula

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Re: Company,s that doing research in magnetic gravity in Europe?
« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2013, 02:29:42 PM »
My sincer apolegize to you,for mis understanding Gyula.

I did not see it anyway as something negative, and thank you for the support.
Regards,
Umit

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Re: Company,s that doing research in magnetic gravity in Europe?
« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2013, 02:39:26 PM »
To any new readers of this topic, i dont asking for money in any cind, i am looking for information, as what companys are doing research and offer help with
space with proper materials and machines for people as me.

Thank you for the help.

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Re: Company,s that doing research in magnetic gravity in Europe?
« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2013, 03:42:24 PM »

At the other hand, you sound negative, to invest money to lissen at the end from experts that why it will not work, maybe i am wrong.
Any negative comment does not work for me, or distract me from what i am doing.


@umit:

You are claiming something extraordinary (namely, a working permanent magnet motor). Therefore you have to be prepared for disbelieve and "negative comments". It is simply statistics. There are thousands of unsuccessful permanent magnet motors since a thousand years and you want to be the first one which has success. Please be prepared that people doubt that.

The only way to overcome this "negativity" is to proof your claim in a professional way.

The most important character trait of a professional is to accept criticism. Only by professionally answering criticism with tangible proof and hard facts you can progress.

Wishful thinking and esoterics will not help. You have to confront the public with useful information and reproduceable experiments. Nobody will believe hints, promises or vague utterances.

Saying "I have built this device since many years in secrecy and now it works" is the worst way of starting a conversation about a device which should do something extraordinary.

Try instead: "Look, here is the device, clearly described, professional performance measurements have been done, you can have a model and measure it yourself". And you can proceed in this way once you have filed a patent. And of course you must have a working device.

You have to come out of your secrecy. You have to give up avoiding criticism. You have to confront reality. Extraordinary claims cause extraordinary disbelieve.

There are no firms which will help you because they can not believe extraordinary claims. Every business man who wants to stay in business needs to be careful not to fall victim to unbelievable ideas.

Just think what you would do if I came to you with a strange idea and ask you for a lot of money? You will send me away, right? And you will send me away especially in case you have money, because you do not want to loose any.

You say that you do not ask for money. You ask for more than money, you ask for support and believe in an idea which has been proven a thousand times wrong. To overcome this you have to come up with something really good in a straight forward way. Every tiny mistake and every unclear word will be reason enough to send you away and to stop conversing with you. The world is full with people making unreasonable claims, how can anybody know that you are not the same? Ask yourself these questions and you will know what lies ahead of you.

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: Company,s that doing research in magnetic gravity in Europe?
« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2013, 03:53:13 PM »
Sorry if i offend you.

I not making any claims, i not promise anything or try to let someone believe something.

I sincerly ask only, if someone know specific companys in Europe that works on this cind of projects.
Also i dont want to discuss if something can or not can.

I understand that many people, that are at age now,worked many time on something that didnt worked,
stressed and having unbelieve due to failure, and having already declared by them self, if i couldnt make it, then nobody can make it.

This is false, with no offens, i respect every persons taughts and mind.
If i said here, people i have something what you dont have, or im the best,,then alright, i accept your statement.

In my situation forget what i said in the opening topic, I only want information what company,s work on such projects.

Thank you again for your reply, and please next time, keep your opinion positif also when it is negatif.
We are adults, there is no need to offend or disrespect someone.

Regards,
Umit

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Re: Company,s that doing research in magnetic gravity in Europe?
« Reply #12 on: August 05, 2013, 04:26:00 PM »
Hi Umit,

Would you tell about an approximate RPM (revolution per minute) for your rotor? Maybe some hundred or maybe under 100?

Also, if you try to stop the rotor by gripping its shaft with your hand (wearing gloves), then can it be stopped easily?

IF you do not wish to answer such questions I understand.

rgds,  Gyula

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Re: Company,s that doing research in magnetic gravity in Europe?
« Reply #13 on: August 05, 2013, 04:41:50 PM »
Hi,no not one problem at all, it is below the 100rpm, it can be stopped without gloves, so it is easy to stop,it can not drive a small motor what produce electricity, but there might be something done with a copper tunnel,

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Re: Company,s that doing research in magnetic gravity in Europe?
« Reply #14 on: August 09, 2013, 12:57:22 PM »
Hi umit,

I wonder if you have already thought of turning to Steorn?  Maybe they are not the best to mention regarding your aims (getting help with space with proper materials and machines etc) but they might be worth putting some questions to?

Here is a link what they had to offer a few years ago when they were active with their live demos etc: http://www.steorn.com/steornlab/ 

Please read all the events in connection with Steorn if you did not follow their activities in the past 6-7 years, to get the full picture. for instance http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steorn  etc, also on youtube just look for Steorn.

My question would be for you: does  your setup still operate continuosly since you made your posts of last week? or you had to stop it due to some reason? 

Greetings, and good luck!
Gyula

 

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