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Author Topic: 'Core Rearrangement' - 'Fin Motor' - Open Tech - OU?  (Read 18766 times)

Offline tim123

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Re: 'Core Rearrangement' - 'Fin Motor' - Open Tech - OU?
« Reply #30 on: September 23, 2013, 09:40:02 AM »
...When I look at your drawing I see one pole getting enhanced and the other being diminished.

Hi Webby,
 I think the main coil's effect will be to make both poles 'disappear' as the core becomes saturated by it. I don't think it should enhance one, and diminish the other because the fields are perpendicular to each other...

BTW, I've decided I need to do more tests on the fin-motor design - but using longer fins, that don't overlap when it's unpowered...

I think the flat, semi-circular fins are too thin, and I think Gyula was right, and there is a shielding effect of the central fin by the outer ones...

I'm going to try it with 1 inch long pieces of 12mm round mild steel bar...

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Re: 'Core Rearrangement' - 'Fin Motor' - Open Tech - OU?
« Reply #31 on: September 26, 2013, 08:39:34 PM »
Update:
 - I cut some 12mm mild steel round bar into 20mm lengths.
 - I fixed 2 in place at the ends of the coil - as stator pieces.
 - I held the central rotor piece by hand
 - When the coil was powered, the rotor was attracted strongly to the stator pieces.

Conclusion: Long pieces of iron make better magnets.  :o

Diagram attached. This is my current working model for the Fin-Motor - although it doesn't really have fins any more - so I need a new name...

I still think the basic principle is a good one. I'm just trying to get the tools I need to build a prototype...

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Re: 'Core Rearrangement' - 'Fin Motor' - Open Tech - OU?
« Reply #32 on: September 27, 2013, 07:43:44 PM »
Hello Tim123.

It amaze me how fast you improve your system and have new ideas to go through the problems you meet.

Good work! :)

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Re: 'Core Rearrangement' - 'Fin Motor' - Open Tech - OU?
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Offline tim123

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Re: 'Core Rearrangement' - 'Fin Motor' - Open Tech - OU?
« Reply #33 on: September 28, 2013, 10:21:09 AM »
Have you stuck a magnet on the end of the stator pieces yet?

As far as 90 degrees goes,, Franken Motor used that arrangement very well,, O.K. the magnets were in pinch, or stress field, mode but still,, they pointed 90 degrees to the coil and core.

..I don't know but I do know that a motor can run for very little input that way,, not much output however.

Hi Webby,
  Not sure if this is what you mean, but for the motor to rotate with the coil in a tuned-circuit, I think magnets would be needed as shown in the diagram below.

Franken Motor. Lol. good name... I found it - it's interesting... :)

The output power of the fin motor will depend mainly on the size of the rotor / stator poles. More surface area = more power. Max force between two 1m2 magnets is 100 tonnes...!

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Re: 'Core Rearrangement' - 'Fin Motor' - Open Tech - OU?
« Reply #34 on: September 28, 2013, 10:40:51 AM »
Hello Tim123.
It amaze me how fast you improve your system and have new ideas to go through the problems you meet.

Good work! :)

Hi Khwartz, Thanks! :)

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Re: 'Core Rearrangement' - 'Fin Motor' - Open Tech - OU?
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Re: 'Core Rearrangement' - 'Fin Motor' - Open Tech - OU?
« Reply #35 on: October 23, 2013, 01:43:21 AM »
Hi! Tim123, how is going your set-up? Having no more news since a while :/ cheers.

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Re: 'Core Rearrangement' - 'Fin Motor' - Open Tech - OU?
« Reply #36 on: October 24, 2013, 10:19:57 AM »
Hi Khwartz, thanks for asking, I hope you're well... :)

I decided I want to test putting a transformer inside a coil - as in 'Solid-State-Gen1.gif at top of page...

I decided that the best arrangement was to use cone-shaped coils - to provide a big working area, and a strong field.

I realised that this is like Walter Russell's cone-shaped coils. So I decided to combine experiments... I'm now planning on building 4 cone coils out of 6mm copper tubing - so I can do my experiment, and then try the double spiral of Wallace...

I'm not sure about the proportions the coils should be, I'm tending towards either the Great Pyramid shape, or perhaps a base of 1 unit to a height of Phi (1.618 - golden mean).

I've bought (I know, I should have built, but too busy...) a very nice ZVS driver:
http://www.rmcybernetics.com/shop/cyber-circuits/pulse-generators/induction-heater-circuit

But I've been getting distracted with:

 a) Learning how to make wind-chimes. One tuneful set :) made from instructions here:
    http://arneberg.com/harmonet/threads/windchimes.html

 b) Writing a sound synthesiser in PHP, generating scales & chords mathematically, and calculate (chime) tube-lengths for a given pitch. (3/4 done)

 c) Building a HHO welder. (1/3 done)

 d) Building a VAWT to heat the workshop. (planning stage)

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Re: 'Core Rearrangement' - 'Fin Motor' - Open Tech - OU?
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Re: 'Core Rearrangement' - 'Fin Motor' - Open Tech - OU?
« Reply #37 on: October 26, 2013, 12:27:53 AM »
:) See you keep busy in various domains ;)

I know nothing about the cone-coils but could be intetesting indeed for you to try.

Good experiments and creations, tim123!

Cheers.

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Re: 'Core Rearrangement' - 'Fin Motor' - Open Tech - OU?
« Reply #38 on: December 31, 2013, 07:31:17 PM »
I have a little progress to report on this...

I bought a ZVS (Zero Volt Switch-over) driver circuit - for testing some of the ideas I put forward in this thread - from these folks:
http://www.rmcybernetics.com/shop/induction-heater-circuit

I've successfully run it on a 12v / 240v toroid transformer, and had some fun with that.

I've made a couple of test coils - for induction heating and other tests. One is pictured below. They work really well. For example: With an input of 16v, and 0.6a, there's about 120v and 15a flowing in the tank circuit. :)

As regards the 'core rearrangement' idea, I have one thing interesting to report:
 - Placing any iron in the coil increases the amp-draw considerably. Due to eddy currents... This is the essence of induction heating...
 - But, a ferrite rod inserted into the coil *reduces* the amp draw on the power-supply...

So the ferrite becomes magnetised, and improves the efficiency of the coil too... It looks encouraging... If I can set parts of the ferrite core in motion using their own magnetic field - as described before - then perhaps it will be possible to extract power from the changing field - without reducing it....

Current problems:
 1) The strength of the magnetic field is not very large - even at full power
 2) The 'Q' of the tank-circuit seems to change with applied voltage - I.e. it gets (much) less as voltage goes up, and the amps go up too much...
 3) The ferrite rod doesn't develop much magnetic field - only enough to pick up a pin.
 4) The frequency is far too high to run a motor...

I need more tank-driving practise... Lol. ;)

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Re: 'Core Rearrangement' - 'Fin Motor' - Open Tech - OU?
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Re: 'Core Rearrangement' - 'Fin Motor' - Open Tech - OU?
« Reply #39 on: January 01, 2014, 05:03:23 AM »
Still looks very promissing, tim123  :) Happy Successful New Year In The Free Energy Quest!   8)

 

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