Author Topic: Self-sustained power generator (Read 42128 times)

weston14 · « **on:** July 22, 2013, 12:01:44 AM »

Hi , this is a link to a prototype on the making http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1WR7OJHryM it uses the kinetic energy of an object to transform it to electrical energy the fact that it gives more power than what it consumes dose not make it an overunitty device since it is not creating power but just transforming it if you would like to comment on it saying that it dosen't work give scientifical explanation and iff you would like to help you will find the link on the video if you would like to make one ask me how if you allready know how do it I appreciate all comments and replies but most the ones giving me support supporting me Thanks .

hartiberlin · « **Reply #1 on:** July 23, 2013, 05:42:16 AM »

Very interesting !
Reminds me of the Milkovic pendulum device,
but here it is in a different layer plane...

Hopefully somebody can build this and try it.

Regards, Stefan.

markdansie · « **Reply #2 on:** July 23, 2013, 08:14:10 AM »

This is a joke
I suggest you read this website before making any claims

http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/museum/themes/modify.htm

Kind Regards

weston14 · « **Reply #3 on:** July 24, 2013, 04:55:35 AM »

@markdansie I am a funny guy , but it ain't no joke , I am not trying to rewrite physics , I do suggest you read the same article you send me to and ask yourself not why but "how" this could not work , where do the laws of physics are broken in this system? , the reason why I was asking for scientific explanations in comments like yours was so I could refute (not refuse ) scientifically any comments at the same level the comments were made , but then you didn't say it would not work just that it was a joke , so anyways thank you for your comment
@hartiberlin thanks for your comment I do hope so too that people start trying with this concept . thanks

LibreEnergia · « **Reply #4 on:** July 24, 2013, 05:12:38 AM »

Quote from: weston14 on July 24, 2013, 04:55:35 AM

@markdansie I am a funny guy , but it ain't no joke , I am not trying to rewrite physics , I do suggest you read the same article you send me to and ask yourself not why but "how" this could not work , where do the laws of physics are broken in this system? , the reason why I was asking for scientific explanations in comments like yours was so I could refute (not refuse ) scientifically any comments at the same level the comments were made , but then you didn't say it would not work just that it was a joke , so anyways thank you for your comment
@hartiberlin thanks for your comment I do hope so too that people start trying with this concept . thanks

Which laws are broken you ask? Laws like the most fundamental ones such as the conservation of energy (or alternatively the first law of thermodynamics) come to mind.

How could this not work? Just ask yourself the question. Where does the excess ENERGY you propose actually come from.?

As an aside , first read up on what energy is and how to quantify it , lest you start confusing it with Power or Force or Momentum or even pink unicorns for that matter.

weston14 · « **Reply #5 on:** July 24, 2013, 06:13:14 AM »

@libreenergia first law of thermodynamics states that energy can be transformed from one form to another, but cannot be created or destroyed. what I propose is transforming not creating . excess energy really ? so if you pedal a bike with an attached dynamo to the tire then you stop pedaling you ask your self why the light is still on ? or you just acknowledge that Kinetic energy is being transform to electric energy ? think about it if you need to see the video again is fine , by the way I do not like pink unicorns hahaha she-ra yes
I don't think I need more then ten equations to prove this on paper I'll take it as a challenge if somebody tries to prove me wrong like this.

MileHigh · « **Reply #6 on:** July 24, 2013, 06:42:51 AM »

The clockwork of the Universe is not running in your favour Weston14.

The old motor connected to a generator connected to the motor idea doesn't work.

LibreEnergia · « **Reply #7 on:** July 24, 2013, 06:49:43 AM »

Quote from: weston14 on July 24, 2013, 06:13:14 AM

@libreenergia first law of thermodynamics states that energy can be transformed from one form to another, but cannot be created or destroyed. what I propose is transforming not creating . excess energy really ? so if you pedal a bike with an attached dynamo to the tire then you stop pedaling you ask your self why the light is still on ? or you just acknowledge that Kinetic energy is being transform to electric energy ? think about it if you need to see the video again is fine , by the way I do not like pink unicorns hahaha she-ra yes
I don't think I need more then ten equations to prove this on paper I'll take it as a challenge if somebody tries to prove me wrong like this.

Consider this.. if this were capable of 'self running' as you claim then we would put it inside a 'black box' and not allow any energy input into the box.. Would we then be able to extract usable power from it forever ?

Yes / No?

If you think yes then there is your the break of the law of conservation of energy right there. No energy in, but energy coming out implies energy is being created inside the box. Doesn't happen, even you admit that.

So, lets put some energy into the box to start with. Maybe spin up a flywheel and then use that stored kinetic energy to turn a generator..

Now, to be useful as an 'energy generation device' it would need to return more energy to us than we put into it.

So, we measure the ENERGY required to spin up the flywheel. Lets say it is 10 MJ. We then let it spin down and measure the ENERGY output as electrical energy. However, we know that due to friction and lower than unity generation efficiency we will get back less than our 10 MJ input.. lets say the whole system is 90% efficient and we get back 9 MJ We then use that 9 MJ to spin up our flywheel and get back a bit less than 8 MJ ..

and so on.

...Until the process eventually stops. All our ten MJ of energy has all been dissipated, mostly as heat, and we haven't managed to extract any useful work from the system.

Unless the thing 'inside the black box' actually creates energy (or perhaps absorbs it from some unknown source) then this is the inevitable result.

We could try fooling ourselves of course , as you appear to be doing by measuring the POWER during the spin up the flywheel and then measuring the POWER available from the generator and claiming success. However you must integrate any power measurements over the time it is applied to come up with an energy balance for the device. When you do this you'll find devices such as this are completely fruitless.

LibreEnergia · « **Reply #8 on:** July 24, 2013, 07:13:50 AM »

Of course lots of people fall into the same trap..

take Wayne Travis who once graced these boards regularly. He is still 'almost there' with the Hydro energy device (read the Current Objectives at his website http://www.hydroenergyrevolution.com/index.php/current-objectives)

I quote:

"Let me give you a little hint.... We use the "Travis effect" on the upstroke - and "Archimedes" on the down stroke - the excess energy comes from the efficiency difference between those two methods."

Personally I think they are measuring instantaneous power output on the up and down strokes and claiming an excess. (and there probably is for a short period of the stroke). However, they never attempt to do a full energy balance of the entire process over time.

Of course, they may not have attempted that from an intellectual point of view but physically the continuing failure to produce a self running device should serve as notice...

forest · « **Reply #9 on:** July 24, 2013, 07:19:28 AM »

LibreEnergia

You waste your time ! It works exactly like evey animal body, energy is taken from outside, we just don't know yet the exact process of tapping that energy.

LibreEnergia · « **Reply #10 on:** July 24, 2013, 07:27:59 AM »

Quote from: forest on July 24, 2013, 07:19:28 AM

LibreEnergia

You waste your time ! It works exactly like evey animal body, energy is taken from outside, we just don't know yet the exact process of tapping that energy.

I have only one word for that.. Bullshit.

When considering a mechanical device such as the one described in the thread originators video we know exactly where the energy is coming from and going to.

TinselKoala · « **Reply #11 on:** July 24, 2013, 01:42:53 PM »

Quote from: weston14 on July 22, 2013, 12:01:44 AM

Hi , this is a link to a prototype on the making http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1WR7OJHryM it uses the kinetic energy of an object to transform it to electrical energy the fact that it gives more power than what it consumes dose not make it an overunitty device since it is not creating power but just transforming it if you would like to comment on it saying that it dosen't work give scientifical explanation and iff you would like to help you will find the link on the video if you would like to make one ask me how if you allready know how do it I appreciate all comments and replies but most the ones giving me support supporting me Thanks .

Congratulations!
You have invented the flywheel!

(Seriously... just because you have taken the standard "motor drives generator powers motor" idea and turned it vertical.... what makes you think that you have anything new or special? You are pumping energy into a flywheel by the action of your arms and hands. Then you can draw off some _power_ at high peak rates if you like-- higher than you can achieve with your arms alone, maybe-- but this is _not_ overunity nor does it imply or even suggest that you might be able to make something self-sustaining. You are not going to get any experienced builder to try to help you make a prototype until you can demonstrate something _new and unique_ about your idea... and so far, you haven't. I am taking you seriously here, as a sincere but perhaps a bit naive researcher. You should take Mark Dansie's advice and _study_ the Simanek pages, all of them. Then try to find something new about your design that might interest a skilled builder. And never forget: power is not energy, and power multiplication devices are all around us and they are none of them OU.)

Low-Q · « **Reply #12 on:** July 24, 2013, 01:47:11 PM »

Quote from: weston14 on July 22, 2013, 12:01:44 AM

Hi , this is a link to a prototype on the making http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1WR7OJHryM it uses the kinetic energy of an object to transform it to electrical energy the fact that it gives more power than what it consumes dose not make it an overunitty device since it is not creating power but just transforming it if you would like to comment on it saying that it dosen't work give scientifical explanation and iff you would like to help you will find the link on the video if you would like to make one ask me how if you allready know how do it I appreciate all comments and replies but most the ones giving me support supporting me Thanks .

I have no problems accepting that you use a dynamo to power some LED's. The problem however, is that you claim you use less energy input than the dynamo can give. This is not possible. Everything in the universe is linked together - like a closed loop of chain. Pulling the chain means just that it will respond by moving and affect the complete loop accordingly.
Einsteins theory of relativity applies to all physics except singularity which is to be found in the center og black holes - where his equation at some point are devided by zero - which in turn means an impossible result with infinite gravity at an infinitly small point.

Vidar

FatBird · « **Reply #13 on:** July 24, 2013, 02:30:04 PM »

SUPER Great invention.

Of course it works. Only a blind person (or a TROLL) would say it doesn't work.

Liberty · « **Reply #14 on:** July 24, 2013, 03:44:53 PM »

Quote from: weston14 on July 22, 2013, 12:01:44 AM

Hi , this is a link to a prototype on the making http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1WR7OJHryM it uses the kinetic energy of an object to transform it to electrical energy the fact that it gives more power than what it consumes dose not make it an overunitty device since it is not creating power but just transforming it if you would like to comment on it saying that it dosen't work give scientifical explanation and iff you would like to help you will find the link on the video if you would like to make one ask me how if you allready know how do it I appreciate all comments and replies but most the ones giving me support supporting me Thanks .

I give you credit for your effort and creative thinking. But what I have found is that as long as you use a standard generator for power generation, it will always be subject to less output than what you put into it. It has to do with the way a generator/alternator is designed that limits it's ability to never put out more than what you put into it. Because the magnetic coupling within a generator, from the rotational source input power and the generating coils for the output power, the lenz effect or counter magnetic field (magnetic drag) will always limit the output to less than what you put in. If you can find a way to get around that problem, as I have, then you will have something.

Liberty

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