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Title: water for Fuel Breakthrough (at last)
Post by: markdansie on July 13, 2013, 01:50:32 PM
I have not reviewed the data but looks like an exciting possibility


http://revolution-green.com/2013/07/13/water-for-fuel-seawater/ (http://revolution-green.com/2013/07/13/water-for-fuel-seawater/)







Title: Re: water for Fuel Breakthrough (at last)
Post by: markdansie on July 13, 2013, 04:44:41 PM
Here is some of the data, would welcome comments


http://www.rsc.org/suppdata/sc/c3/c3sc50812a/c3sc50812a.pdf (http://www.rsc.org/suppdata/sc/c3/c3sc50812a/c3sc50812a.pdf)




Title: Re: water for Fuel Breakthrough (at last)
Post by: Ein~+ein on July 13, 2013, 07:49:31 PM
Mark, given your experience with HHO, what's the current overall efficency of HHO as a means of storage (for renewables)?  It can't be that high given there's talk of compressed air and other storage solutions.
Title: Re: water for Fuel Breakthrough (at last)
Post by: profitis on July 14, 2013, 01:57:38 AM
the inventive step here is a low energy barrier to photoelectrolysis guys.bear in mind that you still need your 1.23volts of energy in the light spectrum to do this,the difference here is its highly efficient.there is a guy called nocera in one of the american varsities who has made similar breakthroughs using cobalt phosphate for direct photoelectrolysis with beautiful efficiencies.cobalt phosphate can last for months without degradation.Titanium dioxide crystals can last years without degradation if the water is clean.ive personaly done tests with silver phosphate and could see the bubbles streaming.
Title: Re: water for Fuel Breakthrough (at last)
Post by: markdansie on July 14, 2013, 02:35:51 AM
Mark, given your experience with HHO, what's the current overall efficency of HHO as a means of storage (for renewables)?  It can't be that high given there's talk of compressed air and other storage solutions.


HHO has one problem, you can not store it under pressure it goes boom, as some people have found out with serious injuries.
I see in Texas they are using compressed air on a new project. The most common is still hydro, pumping water up a hill. That accounts for over 80% of the market.
Storage is really the key
Mark
Title: Re: water for Fuel Breakthrough (at last)
Post by: markdansie on July 14, 2013, 02:39:33 AM
the inventive step here is a low energy barrier to photoelectrolysis guys.bear in mind that you still need your 1.23volts of energy in the light spectrum to do this,the difference here is its highly efficient.there is a guy called nocera in one of the american varsities who has made similar breakthroughs using cobalt phosphate for direct photoelectrolysis with beautiful efficiencies.cobalt phosphate can last for months without degradation.Titanium dioxide crystals can last years without degradation if the water is clean.ive personaly done tests with silver phosphate and could see the bubbles streaming.
You are right there are many breakthroughs and I will be following up on a story discussing this one and many others. None are suitable for transport other than you can accumulate and store hydrogen.
Mark
Title: Re: water for Fuel Breakthrough (at last)
Post by: Paul-R on July 16, 2013, 06:32:16 PM
[quote author=markdansie link=topic=13630.msg365439#msg365439 date=1373762373
... breakthroughs... None are suitable for transport ...

unless, as Bob Boyce urges, you generate as you need.

As you say, Mark, HHO is deadly and needs to be put into a carburetta as soon as possible.