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Author Topic: Farnsworth Fusor and Multipactor  (Read 32393 times)

Offline wings

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Re: Farnsworth Fusor and Multipactor
« Reply #15 on: March 10, 2011, 06:38:02 PM »
Terbo
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 Since the Meeks device outputs energy in the 4-8 MHz (HF) range, it could be used to operate lights and heaters directly.
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Sir,
The Fact that this is solid science,and being done at "Amazing" levels[22,000 more times Out than in] dictates a much closer look for "US".

Your above quote  would be a great start [OU heater]!,Making a low vacuum tube seems very possible [Wings link above]
I have seen other members here that have beautiful examples[XS NRG]!
This specific material that enhances the "Bounce" or production of electrons "Seams" to be a secret?

I spoke on the phone with William Barbat  some weeks ago
and this Chemical [what he called it]was a problem for him,although he had figured it out and was going into agreements for production.

Can you shed any light on a replication protocol that would show OU at any freq?
Thank you
Chet


Terbo & Ramset

Electrical power from the plasma ?

http://jlnlabs.online.fr/cfr/ape/apenrg.htm

probably the same effect

with other results

http://jlnlabs.online.fr/cfr/lorio/index.htm


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Re: Farnsworth Fusor and Multipactor
« Reply #15 on: March 10, 2011, 06:38:02 PM »

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Re: Farnsworth Fusor and Multipactor
« Reply #16 on: March 10, 2011, 08:22:00 PM »
@ramset
Thanks for the warm welcome.  I find multipactors interesting because it is easy to understand how free electrons from secondary emission can create real OU energy when accelerated in a potential field.  Additionally, it appears that the Meeks plasma multipactor being discussed is not too difficult to construct.  Since the Meeks device outputs energy in the 4-8 MHz (HF) range, it could be used to operate lights and heaters directly. Fig 4 in the patent shows how that output could be tapped.  The bigger problem, especially with the Farnsworth devices that output energy in the VHF and microwaves, is how do you convert the RF output to DC for transportation, and to 50/60 Hz AC for appliances?  Semiconductor power rectifiers required for this conversion really don't function well above about 1 MHz. Since the operating frequency of the Meeks plasma device is inversely proportional to it size, maybe one could build one large enough to run in the 100 KHz range where the RF output could be easily rectified to DC.  Any thoughts?


read The Super Tube Moray B.King - PCM part:

http://books.google.it/books?id=0RmkmrFxHM0C&pg=PA71&lpg=PA71&dq=%22the+super+tube%22+Moray&source=bl&ots=0rOGUKlrkV&sig=6UA4S52QSjdElnDEXD4pXXqlYf0&hl=it&ei=0Y8fS4WqO4St4Qb5n_zfCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7&ved=0CCoQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=%22the%20super%20tube%22%20Moray&f=false

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Re: Farnsworth Fusor and Multipactor
« Reply #17 on: March 10, 2011, 10:35:39 PM »
Electrical oscillations without employment of electricity?

"Generally the trend goes to ever smaller operating voltages. The processor in the PC runs today already with less than 3 V, and digital electronics aims on a long-term basis at the 1-Volt-Durchbruch. Also attempts with electron tubes are ever more frequently accomplished with small tensions. The absolute record succeeded to me now with a UHF triode PC86: A high frequency oscillator with an anode voltage of 0.000 V. This ZVO (zero VOL days oscillator) will surely revolutionize the technology."

http://www.b-kainka.de/bastel87.htm

with thoriated filament?

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Re: Farnsworth Fusor and Multipactor
« Reply #17 on: March 10, 2011, 10:35:39 PM »
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Re: Farnsworth Fusor and Multipactor
« Reply #18 on: March 10, 2011, 11:04:25 PM »
Terbo
Quote:
 Since the Meeks device outputs energy in the 4-8 MHz (HF) range, it could be used to operate lights and heaters directly.
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......
Thank you
Chet


related experiments:

http://hwlenter.mnsi.net/ARGON/ARGON1.htm

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Re: Farnsworth Fusor and Multipactor
« Reply #19 on: March 11, 2011, 03:03:18 PM »
Wings
Very nice info!
http://hwlenter.mnsi.net/ARGON/ARGON1.htm

So this goes OU !

@XS NRG Are you out there? You tried to share this once...........maybe twice before,it fell on deaf ears!

They say Third times a charm.......................

Please?

Chet


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Re: Farnsworth Fusor and Multipactor
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Offline tim123

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Re: Farnsworth Fusor and Multipactor
« Reply #20 on: January 20, 2014, 12:13:56 PM »
Hi Folks,
  I've been reading about Farnsworth and multipactors. The patents all make it clear that the energy source is the power supply, and they're not OU devices.

However, I've been thinking about how the electrons fly *past* the anode in the the Crookes Tube: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crookes_tube)
...and was wondering if it's possible to use the principle to use a small current to drive a larger current.

I would appreciate it if anyone could tell me why this would *not* be OU, so I don't end up wasting money on parts for a build...

I've done a diagram, attached below. It is a bit complex, but I'll try to explain it simply:


Physical Construction

 - It's a glass tube, evacuated to a high-ish vacuum.

 - There are 2 standard bare electrodes - made of a metal grid - at each end of the tube. Labelled 'Powered Grid'.
   Cathode on left, anode on right.

 - Behind each grid, is a second grid, the 'Passive Grid', which is connected to the output collector plates.
   The passive grid is charged to the opposite polarity of the powered grid by induction and by the collector.
   It's made of insulated wire, or there's a strong dielectric between it and the powered grid. (To prevent spark-over)
   It's there to provide an electric field which will 'trap' the electrons (or +ve ions)
   It makes the collector area a faraday cage - so the charge is not deflected away from the collector plates

 - The collector plates at the end are bare metal. They're marked as 'Out' on the diagram.

 - The Secondary Emissive Surface (2ES) is at the center of the tube
   It's bare metal, and it's earthed through a resistance.
   Ideally all electrons coming from the cathode, and all +ve ions from the anode, will strike it's surface somewhere - and cause more electrons to be emitted.

   
Principle of Operation

When a high voltage is applied across the input terminals:

 1) Electrons are emitted from the cathode. (Because positive ions hit it's surface... etc.)
 2) They are accelerated towards the anode and quickly reach very high speed.
 3) They hit the Secondary Emissive Surface (2ES) - and release more electrons.
 4) They are again accelerated towards the anode.
 5) Some hit the anode, and complete the power-in circuit. So the tube would just look like a small resistance to the power circuit.
 6) The majority of the electrons, however, fly past the anode and hit the collector.
 7) The collector is charged -ve, and current flows through the LOAD A back to the central 2ES
 8] The opposite happens as regards +ve charged ions... They move to the collector on the left, and power LOAD B


Notes

 - Some charge could be lost in the 2ES by neutralisation of charges - it depends a lot on the speed of the incoming particles.
 - I think it has to have 2 separate loads to work because the circuit has to complete back in the middle... Not sure about that...

Any assistance gratefully received.

Regards, Tim

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Re: Farnsworth Fusor and Multipactor
« Reply #21 on: January 20, 2014, 03:57:39 PM »
Here's another version - hopefully simpler - single pole...

It's a lot like a multipactor - only with most of the electrons missing the +ve electrode, and hitting the collector instead...

It looks like OU... What am I missing?

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Re: Farnsworth Fusor and Multipactor
« Reply #21 on: January 20, 2014, 03:57:39 PM »
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Re: Farnsworth Fusor and Multipactor
« Reply #22 on: January 20, 2014, 03:57:54 PM »
Hi Folks,
  I've been reading about Farnsworth and multipactors. The patents all make it clear that the energy source is the power supply, and they're not OU devices.

However, I've been thinking about how the electrons fly *past* the anode in the the Crookes Tube: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crookes_tube)
...and was wondering if it's possible to use the principle to use a small current to drive a larger current.

I would appreciate it if anyone could tell me why this would *not* be OU, so I don't end up wasting money on parts for a build...

I've done a diagram, attached below. It is a bit complex, but I'll try to explain it simply:


Physical Construction

 - It's a glass tube, evacuated to a high-ish vacuum.

 - There are 2 standard bare electrodes - made of a metal grid - at each end of the tube. Labelled 'Powered Grid'.
   Cathode on left, anode on right.

 - Behind each grid, is a second grid, the 'Passive Grid', which is connected to the output collector plates.
   The passive grid is charged to the opposite polarity of the powered grid by induction and by the collector.
   It's made of insulated wire, or there's a strong dielectric between it and the powered grid. (To prevent spark-over)
   It's there to provide an electric field which will 'trap' the electrons (or +ve ions)
   It makes the collector area a faraday cage - so the charge is not deflected away from the collector plates

 - The collector plates at the end are bare metal. They're marked as 'Out' on the diagram.

 - The Secondary Emissive Surface (2ES) is at the center of the tube
   It's bare metal, and it's earthed through a resistance.
   Ideally all electrons coming from the cathode, and all +ve ions from the anode, will strike it's surface somewhere - and cause more electrons to be emitted.

   
Principle of Operation

When a high voltage is applied across the input terminals:

 1) Electrons are emitted from the cathode. (Because positive ions hit it's surface... etc.)
 2) They are accelerated towards the anode and quickly reach very high speed.
 3) They hit the Secondary Emissive Surface (2ES) - and release more electrons.
 4) They are again accelerated towards the anode.
 5) Some hit the anode, and complete the power-in circuit. So the tube would just look like a small resistance to the power circuit.
 6) The majority of the electrons, however, fly past the anode and hit the collector.
 7) The collector is charged -ve, and current flows through the LOAD A back to the central 2ES
 8] The opposite happens as regards +ve charged ions... They move to the collector on the left, and power LOAD B


Notes

 - Some charge could be lost in the 2ES by neutralisation of charges - it depends a lot on the speed of the incoming particles.
 - I think it has to have 2 separate loads to work because the circuit has to complete back in the middle... Not sure about that...

Any assistance gratefully received.

Regards, Tim
- ?
- https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/pdfs/US2091439.pdf
other patents list here:
http://www.cmgww.com/historic/farnsworth/inventions/patents_list.html

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Re: Farnsworth Fusor and Multipactor
« Reply #23 on: January 20, 2014, 04:44:11 PM »
Here's another version - hopefully simpler - single pole...

It's a lot like a multipactor - only with most of the electrons missing the +ve electrode, and hitting the collector instead...

It looks like OU... What am I missing?

 :o try PCM pulse current multiplier described in this document:


https://www.dmt-nexus.me/doc/Quest%20For%20Zero%20Point%20Energy.pdf


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Re: Farnsworth Fusor and Multipactor
« Reply #23 on: January 20, 2014, 04:44:11 PM »
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Re: Farnsworth Fusor and Multipactor
« Reply #24 on: January 20, 2014, 07:31:55 PM »
wings,  excellent book and info.   Page 39 (in a PDF viewer) or 78-80 if you are looking at actual scanned page numbers is really interesting info.   It says Hyde had a 20 Kilowatt Self running device !!!    Very important and relevant info I believe. 

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Re: Farnsworth Fusor and Multipactor
« Reply #25 on: January 20, 2014, 08:30:59 PM »
Fantastic vid :) - 'How to make a vacuum tube':
http://paillard.claude.free.fr/

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Re: Farnsworth Fusor and Multipactor
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Re: Farnsworth Fusor and Multipactor
« Reply #26 on: January 21, 2014, 05:07:26 PM »
This chap, Robert Murray-Smith, has some excellent vids.

In these he's making a Farnsworth Fusor :)
 1) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HG5BnzvPATE
 2) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TkvPCMJEFI

 

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