Did you get too much flak at Energetic Forum on your similar thread and decide to come over here?   Really,  what is your intention with this?

@einstein.dont go jumping to giant conclusions too quikly.but i agree with you that many scamguys out there.as i said to markdansie before its actualy a good thing that scamguys exist as they are creating a security bubble for the real guys and massively drawing attention to the quest for alternate energy.

Between 10 and 100 million is my estimate.

Your not even close!

Don't forget the Hot Fusion scam that's been going on for 50 years and hopes to continue for another 50!

It must surely be into the Hundreds of Billions by now.

@einstein.dont go jumping to giant conclusions too quikly.but i agree with you that many scamguys out there.as i said to markdansie before its actualy a good thing that scamguys exist as they are creating a security bubble for the real guys and massively drawing attention to the quest for alternate energy.

And just what 'giant conclusions' have I jumped to too quickly?   All I'm asking for is some convincing evidence which few can provide. And what's this about the need for a 'security bubble'?

Bill:

I don't disagree with you in principal, I suppose it depends on how you want to define the issue.

I know that there were a lot of publicly funded solar panel startups from various "green initiatives" of the US government that failed.  The Chinese undercut them so these grandiose business plans apparently completely ignored the "elasticity" issues with foreign competition.  So you can argue the government decision makers in control of the purse strings and the lobbyists and the corporate managers and their failed business plans were fools for not looking at all of the angles.  Of course nobody can predict the future, and it's probably the hardest thing to do when it comes to technology.

But were they scammers?  I suppose it depends on your point of view.  I am assuming the failed solar panel companies had a legitimate product that worked.  But at the same time, for sure when the government launches these kinds of funding initiatives that there are scammers out there that present legit looking business plans and get their funding.  Then they just burn through the cash and go bust without really wanting to be successful.  It's just an exercise in going through the motions to get the public funding.  They are the worst leechers feeding at the public trough.

So for me personally I am not including the "big energy busts" in the sense that I give the players the benefit of the doubt that they were sincere.  Not that I am truly knowledgeable about this stuff.   On the other hand you can look at Enron, even though they were a public company (if I recall correctly) and not directly funded by the government, they played an energy and investment shell game and robbed billions of dollars from innocent people.

MileHigh

Heck, Solyndra alone hit us taxpayers for 535 million, ..

Good point, Pirate!  Should I restrict such scams to OU claims, CoP >1, perpetual motion, water fuel, etc.?

Mark:

I obviously can't comment on the specifics of the research project associated with Searle, but as a general statement in my opinion the whole operation is one big scam, a long con that has been going on for 60+ years.  They surfaced on YouTube in 2007 and of course we are all still waiting...........

So in my opinion the lab coats and the coats of arms and the the whole thing is just a much bigger and slicker version of Inteligentry.  I haven't followed it for several years now, but I know that Serarl was releasing pdf updates that were almost psycho in their content which was a mixture of their alleged tech and stuff about xes and bodily functions and whatnot.  Ultra strange.

This YouTuber named Flowerbower was writing a book about Searle as of a few years ago.  I don't know the current status.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c__xh9RlWgo

Flowerbower is like another MarkE, he is brilliant and obviously has a very strong technical and educational background.  He wants to expose Searle, but I don't know if that is still pending or what.

I love the folklore narrative:  Skinny hungry post-war young buck in shorts works for a radio company that services the UK military.  Somehow between lining up with his ration cards for bread and butter and gasoline, and working at his full time job as a radio technicain, he manages to find some surplus parts at his job and builds a half-dozen "Searle effect generators" that can produce electrical power without fuel and they are also anti-gravity machines.  He had the vision in a dream.  Amazingly, all of them took off and flew away up into the sky.  One of them even crashed right through the kitchen ceiling and continued on it's way into the heavens.

So now 60 years later apparently poor Searl can't find the same materials that were readily available in 1947 and as a result he need millions of dollars to finish off the new prototypes that are always just around the corner.  In addition to all the impressive looking white lab coats there are even blazers with epaulettes.  This is in anticipation of the Searle space liners and the smartly dressed pilots and the Searle space ports.   Like the friggin' Jetsons.  To the moon in 30 minutes!!!!!  Richard Branson eat your heart out.

Searle is like some kind of 60s acid trip scene for me.  Like he is a character right out of the movie Barbarella.

MileHigh

P.S.:  I almost forgot the MAGIC OF THE SQUARES!!!