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Offline Freedomfuel

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Re: MEG
« Reply #30 on: April 26, 2006, 09:09:57 PM »
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Re: MEG
« Reply #31 on: July 30, 2006, 02:53:50 AM »
Hello, MEG is a particular case of an ancien device called the MAGNETIC AMPLIFIER there is from 1950, that device was used for audio power amplification, so if you have 1KW of power audio, you can get in the output up to 3 KW, his structure is the same of the MEG of Bearden a magnet in the center leg of the transformer and 2 magnetic circuits and so using the energy conservation law the energy of the magnet more the input energy is the output, when all is done in the design the COP of the system is COP = N +1, where N is the number of magnetic circuits of the system, so for the classic MEG the theoric maximun COP is 3 but in practical sense you can get Cops from 2, 2.5, 2.8,.... for the losses in the system
 Another name of the ancien Magnetic Amplifier was the MAGNETIC TRANSISTOR and many books of electronic from 1950 make comparations between the classic silicon transistor and a common transformer using a magnet or a coil with a DC source

 The building of this device is not single and not very difficult is the same as build a silicon transistor, there is curves, operating points, theory to know, that is say you must know in deep what are you building, if not, you can get any thing, you must to know for build this magnetic circuits, B-H magnetization curves,etc,...i see many people try this using ferrite cores, you can use common iron from transformers for 60 Hz applications, you buy a transformer and only cut his central leg and change his coils for the power you need, 1 KW, 5 KW,etc,...

 I am in a company we build this devices since years from some watts for bulbs up to 1 KW, 5 KVA, 10 KVA, 250 KVA , and more, the starting device go from a battery to a rectifier connected to the common 60 Hz or 50 Hz electric net

 Any question or documentation I can send if writte to this email     gigawattgratis@123mail.cl


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Re: MEG
« Reply #32 on: July 30, 2006, 08:49:45 AM »
@Tesla_2006

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Re: MEG
« Reply #33 on: September 03, 2006, 08:22:37 PM »
I know someone that visited Tom Beardon and the MEG does not work as described.  Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't (the prototype) and no one knows why.  This unit is not dependable and probably a waste of time pursueing.  People really need to post the complete problems with the units so others don't waste the limited resources availabe by ending in repeated failure (i.e. time and money). John Bedini has given many clues but the one that bothers me the most is the Kromrey Generator that was shown over 600% o/u but will not work as per patent.  John found the required changes but does not tell you what was changed.
I predict that the MEG will be able to loop (self run) when they figure out (IMHO) the free energy comes from ambient temperature within the high permeability magnetic material.  I think they need to flow sufficient air over the cores, but if thick layers of magnetic wire cover the core then it's difficult to keep the cores temperature stable.


I've spent so much money (literally $1,000's and 100's of manhours) building and playing but I'm tired of rebuilding units that don't work.  When someone gets something to work, just release the damn thing!
I agree!!!  This is far too big for self gain. The first person who creates the smoking gun (self running) should publish the exact detailed build instructions followed by a patent and allow everyone to build for personal use or even to sell for profit or non-profit.

Paul

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Re: MEG
« Reply #34 on: October 27, 2006, 08:18:44 PM »
The MEG, as described in the patent, usually gets replicated as a biased transformer. I have come to believe that the MEG is NOT supposed to be a transformer. It is supposed to operate as a dual flux pathway with gates (the 'primary' coils). The unfortuneate outcome of winding a coil to create a gate for the flux is that the coil introduces more flux into the core and complicates the process of gating the magnets flux. Most of the time the gating process doesn't work as a gate but does work as though it is the primary of a transformer. The outcome of using a common transformer type approach to this gating process is that the MEG no longer can function as an overunity device because instead of switching the flux with the input coils, we introduce power into the entire core and operate as a common transformer which, by its nature, cannot perform at overunity.
Consider that if we cut a section out of the core at the locations of the switching coils and substituted into that gap a 'magic' material which had the property of decreasing it's permiability with a electronic input, we would then have a flux switcher-which is precisely what the MEG appears to be.
This process could be done mechanically, but what we really want is a solid state device. Any ideas for a "magic material" out there????
Norm

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Re: MEG
« Reply #35 on: October 28, 2006, 11:40:48 AM »
Hi Norm,

Exactly such an "exotic" material is included in a recent patent: METHOD AND APPARATUS FOR COIL-LESS MAGNETOELECTRIC MAGNETIC FLUX SWITCHING FOR PERMANENT MAGNETS, patent # US7030724

Such material is called ME (magnetoelectric) material. ME effect has two interesting
properties: induces magnetization by applying electric field to it OR by applying a magnetic field to it a polarization manifests i.e. a voltage difference is created at the edges like in a Hall device.  When electric field is applied to it, there is a change in its permeability, too. How much is this change? See for yourself what was reported in 2000:
http://www.iop.org/EJ/abstract/0964-1726/9/3/317

I wish I could obtain such a ME material for test purposes  ;)   but they are not at all off-the-shelf components I am afraid.  >:(   They can be found in research labs I think.

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« Reply #36 on: July 15, 2009, 06:56:13 AM »
To affected the botheration of meters not advised to plan at those freq, it should be accessible to run the achievement through a arch and stick a cap on the rectified side. Again analysis achievement in DC. If it's to be usefull for annihilation besides ablaze floresent bulbs, it should be accessible to catechumen from AC to DC. You should alone apart about 1.2v. If apart too much, again you may not be accepting as it apears.

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Offline exnihiloest

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Re: MEG
« Reply #37 on: July 15, 2009, 11:48:45 AM »
...
Such material is called ME (magnetoelectric) material.
...
http://www.iop.org/EJ/abstract/0964-1726/9/3/317

I wish I could obtain such a ME material for test purposes  ;)   but they are not at all off-the-shelf components I am afraid.  >:(   They can be found in research labs I think.

The remaining question before attempting experiments is:
When the material is submitted to a magnetic field, how much energy is needed to produce the electric field that controls the magnetic permeability?

Probably it is more than the energy recoverable from the varying magnetic flux.




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Re: MEG
« Reply #38 on: July 15, 2009, 11:48:27 PM »
Hi,

I agree with your question and the answer for that can only be answered by those who have access to such materials.

Thinking on the plus/minus 200V DC change applied to the material and assuming the volume of such material sample in a lab is a few cubic mm, the input current may be small, this is what I would hope.


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Re: MEG
« Reply #39 on: November 25, 2009, 09:55:31 PM »
Hi,

Does anyone have experience using the MEG to charge batteries?

The reason for asking is due to all of the talk on the Joule Thief circuits and how the effect is due to the battery or ultracaps. It seems to me Bedini has been saying the same thing for ages. Remember J.L.Naudin replication of the MEG? Naudin suggested his specially treated large carbon film resistors was the key. These resistors were treated to long term high voltage spikes, to such a point where its resistance was far more non-linear.

Anyhow,  all of the MEG measurements I'm aware of tried to calculate the MEG output power produced on a resistive load, but I am interested in data where a battery is placed on the output. Therefore careful control experiments would have be executed to determine how much energy went into the battery.

Paul

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Re: MEG
« Reply #40 on: November 26, 2009, 04:46:28 AM »
Hi,

Does anyone have experience using the MEG to charge batteries?

The reason for asking is due to all of the talk on the Joule Thief circuits and how the effect is due to the battery or ultracaps. It seems to me Bedini has been saying the same thing for ages. Remember J.L.Naudin replication of the MEG? Naudin suggested his specially treated large carbon film resistors was the key. These resistors were treated to long term high voltage spikes, to such a point where its resistance was far more non-linear.

Anyhow,  all of the MEG measurements I'm aware of tried to calculate the MEG output power produced on a resistive load, but I am interested in data where a battery is placed on the output. Therefore careful control experiments would have be executed to determine how much energy went into the battery.

Paul

It was not carbon film resistor but carbon composition resistor, its not the same, With high voltage it become like a varistor but more chaotic since the outcome is uncertain, in fact its just to phase out the output if you think why he done that.

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Re: MEG
« Reply #41 on: November 26, 2009, 05:08:31 AM »
If it's carbon composite, then if memory holds true, a good amount of micro fractures will form within the material given high current spikes. Maybe that's the cause of the non-linearity due to microscopic internal arcing.

Have you made one of those resistors as described by Naudin?

Paul

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« Reply #42 on: November 26, 2009, 06:56:39 AM »
If it's carbon composite, then if memory holds true, a good amount of micro fractures will form within the material given high current spikes. Maybe that's the cause of the non-linearity due to microscopic internal arcing.

Have you made one of those resistors as described by Naudin?

Paul

Yes ive done this experiment but the end result is not clear, depending of the voltage applied the reading change(10v/1A get a different reading than 100v/0.1A). What i don't understand is , the output of the JLN meg is well over 1kv and if you look at most carbon composition resistor, there a max voltage of about 450v/650v before weird thing happen. Another thing to think, carbon composition resistor don't have any inductance like other type of resistor particularly wire wound resistor but it can show Noise, its the only problem with carbon composition resistor so it can make the reading inaccurate and even more if the voltage is > 1kv. The experiment JLN showed is not fully disclosed, just take a look at the output, there one thing missing.

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Offline MasterPlaster

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Re: MEG
« Reply #43 on: March 01, 2010, 08:00:45 PM »

You may be interested in patent by Hybrid Strategies Corporation

WO2009/021308

It clearly states it is overunity.

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« Reply #44 on: October 15, 2010, 10:06:00 AM »
For those who are interested, the following was posted on the "MEG_builders" forum at http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/MEG_builders/ on Thu Oct 7, 2010 7:01 pm:

"Dear MEG_Builders member,

This message is to let you know that on Oct. 7, 2010 the Yahoo MEG_Builders
group will be closed down. The reasons for this are many but primarily it is
because over the last few years there has been a definite lack of positive
developments with the MEG, there has been an obvious lack of interest by members
of this group in doing experiments and reporting results and lastly this site
and its members have increasingly become under attack by spammers who phish it
for member's email addresses and who attempt to post their spam ads to the site.
For these reasons the moderators are closing down this site to new
memberships and new postings. However if new MEG developments occur that would
encourage experimenters to begin or resume MEG experiments then the moderators
of this group are prepared to reopen it. In the meantime, members and
non-members should be able to continue to view the massages on the site and
members should also be able to download files from the FILES area of the site.

Sincerely,

Dave Narby and Stan Mayer - MEG_Builders group moderators

P.S. If you have questions or information to share with us in regards to the
MEG, please contact Stan at STANMAYER@..."

 

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