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Author Topic: simple overbalanced wheel with flywheel  (Read 30541 times)

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Re: simple overbalanced wheel with flywheel
« Reply #30 on: June 18, 2013, 07:56:14 PM »
YouTube is still processing the video.  It tells you so on the page.  I have no idea how long it will take before it is viewable.
 
Sorry.
 
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Nope, I think you got a failed upload. The page looks normal, no indication of "still processing"  but when I hit Play I see 33 seconds of black screen.  Usually the video is viewable within a couple of minutes after the upload is complete.

ETA: OK now it seems to be working. Thanks.....
(Or rather.... "not" working.....  ;)   )

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Re: simple overbalanced wheel with flywheel
« Reply #30 on: June 18, 2013, 07:56:14 PM »

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Re: simple overbalanced wheel with flywheel
« Reply #31 on: June 18, 2013, 10:31:49 PM »
Watched it now. Look at the ramp how it scissors the weight uphill. As you see, the "scissoring" provides a "gear ratio to the movement of the weight. This ratio will add countertorque which during the revolution takes energy from the wheel at the same time as the rightmost weight tries to overbalance it - but it can't. It has not excess energy to fight against the other weight on the left.

BTW: What software are you using for this simulation? Is it free?

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Re: simple overbalanced wheel with flywheel
« Reply #32 on: June 19, 2013, 12:31:37 PM »
I hope this helps.
 http://youtu.be/LNl9doQfbyk
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Thank you Mr Mondrasek for posting this video. To be honest I didn't expect such a good behavior of this setup. With this shape of ramp and its distance from the center the lower ball reaches almost 5.30 (!) That means the wheel needs rotate only additional 15 degrees to get over-unity.
Now it is at ones discretion to improve the model. It can be achieved by adding flywheel, modeling the shape of chambers and ramp ect.
Have fun  ;D

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Re: simple overbalanced wheel with flywheel
« Reply #32 on: June 19, 2013, 12:31:37 PM »
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Re: simple overbalanced wheel with flywheel
« Reply #33 on: June 19, 2013, 01:33:33 PM »
Thank you Mr Mondrasek for posting this video. To be honest I didn't expect such a good behavior of this setup. With this shape of ramp and its distance from the center the lower ball reaches almost 5.30 (!) That means the wheel needs rotate only additional 15 degrees to get over-unity.
Now it is at ones discretion to improve the model. It can be achieved by adding flywheel, modeling the shape of chambers and ramp ect.
Have fun  ;D
It is theoretically possible to make the wheel rotate 15 degrees more, but not more than that. In practice you might achieve 5 - 10 degrees more due to minimal friction.
Another thing to consider:
If this wheel really overbalanced, if there was excess energy on the right side, it should not be a problem making this work as it is already. But the conservation of energy applies to any mechanism no matter how you tune or modify it. Applying more details (Which ofcouse also conserves energy) does not help.

This kind of mechanism does not work as fuel and oxygen mixdure, saying that oxygen is that last detail neccessary to make the mixdure burn. But one cannot compare those two elements with a mechanical device like this. It took energy from the sun to make the fuel and separate oxygen from stuff (Which was basicly CO2 and H2O). That's why these elements (Hydrocarbons and oxygen) burn (Finds equilibrium) if you mix them and ignite it.

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Re: simple overbalanced wheel with flywheel
« Reply #34 on: June 19, 2013, 07:24:10 PM »
If this wheel really overbalanced, if there was excess energy on the right side, it should not be a problem making this work as it is already. But the conservation of energy applies to any mechanism no matter how you tune or modify it. Applying more details (Which ofcouse also conserves energy) does not help.

Thank you doctor Vidar for your Emergency Service... good job. That brings me back to reality.  ;)

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This kind of mechanism does not work as fuel and oxygen mixdure, saying that oxygen is that last detail neccessary to make the mixdure burn. But one cannot compare those two elements with a mechanical device like this. It took energy from the sun to make the fuel and separate oxygen from stuff (Which was basicly CO2 and H2O). That's why these elements (Hydrocarbons and oxygen) burn (Finds equilibrium) if you mix them and ignite it.
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Of course dear Vidar... May God bless His Majesty King of Norway! King rich in oil & gas ...

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Re: simple overbalanced wheel with flywheel
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Re: simple overbalanced wheel with flywheel
« Reply #35 on: June 19, 2013, 11:41:02 PM »
Thank you doctor Vidar for your Emergency Service... good job. That brings me back to reality.  ;)
Any time :-)
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Of course dear Vidar... May God bless His Majesty King of Norway! King rich in oil & gas ...
This just pisses me off. Must the oil companies in Norway burn in h..ll. It is nothing else than taxes, greed, and ignorance to renewable energy. This government sucks when it comes to managing tax "dollars" to the proper purpose.
I look for the holy grail just as much as you do, but I have given up the obvious impossible and looks for the possible for as long it is for free.


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Re: simple overbalanced wheel with flywheel
« Reply #36 on: June 20, 2013, 11:36:45 AM »
Of course I believe in law of conservation energy, but sometimes I have impression that people misuse or overuse it.. or use as excuse for their lack of abilities. The problem is what is energy exactly? Is gravity itself an energy? We usually say that gravity is homogenous field or force, but one can say that the wind is also. There is too much analogy between wind and gravity as for me.. too much to simply give up gravity.
The absence of something on the stage is not a prove that it doesn't exist... somewhere.

All the best.

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Re: simple overbalanced wheel with flywheel
« Reply #37 on: June 20, 2013, 03:45:51 PM »
Of course I believe in law of conservation energy, but sometimes I have impression that people misuse or overuse it.. or use as excuse for their lack of abilities. The problem is what is energy exactly? Is gravity itself an energy? We usually say that gravity is homogenous field or force, but one can say that the wind is also. There is too much analogy between wind and gravity as for me.. too much to simply give up gravity.
The absence of something on the stage is not a prove that it doesn't exist... somewhere.

All the best.
I can agree with you to a certain point. However I believe you cannot compare wind with a gravitational force. Because the wind is mass in motion (energy) while gravity is only a static force.


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Re: simple overbalanced wheel with flywheel
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