Author Topic: Magnet coil cores, demagnetization power and Lenz delay. (Read 243393 times)

synchro1 · « **Reply #195 on:** December 26, 2014, 03:18:59 PM »

Quote from: MarkE on December 26, 2014, 02:53:08 PM

Synchro1 is there a particular reason that you have chosen to play yourself as a fool?

@MarkE,

Everone knows your non stop bullshit is designed to keep people confused. I will begin to take steps to have you moderated if you keep this kind of Trolling up!

tinman · « **Reply #196 on:** December 26, 2014, 03:30:28 PM »

Quote from: MarkE on December 26, 2014, 02:58:20 PM

Tinman Lenz states the direction of an induced emf. That's it. It is Faraday's Law of Induction that states that the emf is induced. And it is the instant that the change in flux crosses the conductor. Eddy currents orient in such a way as to resist the change in the net field. They would not exist but for Faraday induction. They are not delayed.

See above for Lenz's Law.

As to the alleged effect. The very phenomena cited are counter examples to what you say these guys are hoping to find.

http://regentsprep.org/regents/physics/phys08/clenslaw/

Quote wikipedia-Lenz's law-->An induced electromotive force (emf) always gives rise to a current whose magnetic field opposes the original change in magnetic flux.

Quote the fredictionary.com-The principle stating that an electric current induced by a source such as a changing magnetic field always creates a counterforce opposing the force inducing it. The law accounts for such phenomena as diamagnetism and the electrical properties of inductors.

http://www.phy-astr.gsu.edu/cymbalyuk/lecture24-25a.pdf

Seems to me that most sites i look at say that it is lenz's law that states that the emf is induced,as well as the direction.

minnie · « **Reply #197 on:** December 26, 2014, 03:38:56 PM »

Why moderate one of the few scientists willing to help you? I bet you'd rather
waste the next 10yrs with idiot-fool ideas!
John

MarkE · « **Reply #198 on:** December 26, 2014, 03:45:46 PM »

Quote from: tinman on December 26, 2014, 03:30:28 PM

http://regentsprep.org/regents/physics/phys08/clenslaw/

Quote wikipedia-Lenz's law-->An induced electromotive force (emf) always gives rise to a current whose magnetic field opposes the original change in magnetic flux.

Quote the fredictionary.com-The principle stating that an electric current induced by a source such as a changing magnetic field always creates a counterforce opposing the force inducing it. The law accounts for such phenomena as diamagnetism and the electrical properties of inductors.

http://www.phy-astr.gsu.edu/cymbalyuk/lecture24-25a.pdf

Seems to me that most sites i look at say that it is lenz's law that states that the emf is induced,as well as the direction.

You need to read the text of your references carefully. They all have induced EMF due to a changing field crossing a conductor as a predicate requirement.

Lenz was predated by Faraday. Faraday states the induced voltage. Lenz states only the direction of the induced voltage.

For example your wikipedia citation:

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An induced electromotive force (emf) always gives rise to a current whose magnetic field opposes the original change in magnetic flux.

The statement begins with the stipulation of an induced EMF, and then states the orientation of that EMF. Ditto the fredictionary citation.

tinman · « **Reply #199 on:** December 26, 2014, 03:46:37 PM »

Here it is plain and simple Mark. We all know what we are trying to say,as do you.
When a magnet aproaches an inductor(coil)under load,a magnetic field is produced by that inductor that apposes that of the aproaching magnet-most all the sites i visit state this under lenz's law--so we know what the hell is going on,and what we all mean here. We are trying to see if the back electromotive force (the apposing magnetic field from the inductor) can be delayed until such time as to not act against the approaching magnet of the rotor that created it in the first place-plain and simple. I have posted the links to a few site's that state that quite plainly under lenz's law,so maybe your next mission should be to get in contact with all those site's,and have them rewrite shit so as it dosnt confuse the hell out of everyone.

We know rocket science isnt really that complicated,ya just blast shit out of a small opening,and bob's ya uncle,away ya go. So why dose this have to be so hard,when all we want to do is delay the magnetic field that apposes the magnetic field that made it in the first place. I showed you scope shot's of a coil that is further away from the rotor leading in phase to that of one that is closer to the rotor,so why cant the reverse be done.

MarkE · « **Reply #200 on:** December 26, 2014, 03:47:25 PM »

Quote from: synchro1 on December 26, 2014, 03:18:59 PM

@MarkE,

Everone knows your non stop bullshit is designed to keep people confused. I will begin to take steps to have you moderated if you keep this kind of Trolling up!

Synchro1 you are really making a sad case of yourself.

MileHigh · « **Reply #201 on:** December 26, 2014, 03:59:37 PM »

Quote from: synchro1 on December 26, 2014, 03:18:59 PM

@MarkE,

Everone knows your non stop bullshit is designed to keep people confused. I will begin to take steps to have you moderated if you keep this kind of Trolling up!

This type of behaviour is unacceptable. I commend John/Minnie for denouncing this behaviour. Synchro1 has been hurling abuse at people for a long time.

I am also denouncing Synchro1's behaviour.

I challenge the regular posters and others reading this to also denounce Synchro1's unacceptable behaviour. I literally mean it - the challenge for you is to make a posting expressing your disdain for Synhro1's behaviour and to tell him to stop it.

If enough of you post expressing your disdain then perhaps Synchro1 will get the message and finally stop.

If you are walking down the street and you see two 14-year-old punks assaulting an old lady what do you do? Do you just walk by and do nothing or do you try to stop it? It's time for people to speak up.

Synchro1 has an opportunity to turn over a new leaf for 2015. I am only stating this because there are limits to this kind of behaviour. If we all do nothing then we are all passively condoning this kind of behaviour and therefore we all collectively share in the guilt.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d5d_1418089532

MarkE · « **Reply #202 on:** December 26, 2014, 04:04:02 PM »

Quote from: tinman on December 26, 2014, 03:46:37 PM

Here it is plain and simple Mark. We all know what we are trying to say,as do you.
When a magnet aproaches an inductor(coil)under load,a magnetic field is produced by that inductor that apposes that of the aproaching magnet-most all the sites i visit state this under lenz's law--so we know what the hell is going on,and what we all mean here. We are trying to see if the back electromotive force (the apposing magnetic field from the inductor) can be delayed until such time as to not act against the approaching magnet of the rotor that created it in the first place-plain and simple.

Tinman the simple answer is that the best that anyone could ever do is make it appear as though there is no coupling. IE that the configuration however constructed performs as well as TK's null tests.

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I have posted the links to a few site's that state that quite plainly under lenz's law,so maybe your next mission should be to get in contact with all those site's,and have them rewrite shit so as it dosnt confuse the hell out of everyone.

One of the problems that arises when anyone can publish is that misleading information sometimes get published. If we simply put aside the word "Lenz", and instead say "induced EMF", hopefully we recognize the orientation of that induced EMF is dictated according to Lenz' Law. Do we agree on this point? Do we also agree that the induced EMF is an immediate effect? Do we agree that it is the current that you would like to delay, because it is the current that actually gives rise to the field that you want to try and manipulate to benefit?

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We know rocket science isnt really that complicated,ya just blast shit out of a small opening,and bob's ya uncle,away ya go. So why dose this have to be so hard,when all we want to do is delay the magnetic field that apposes the magnetic field that made it in the first place. I showed you scope shot's of a coil that is further away from the rotor leading in phase to that of one that is closer to the rotor,so why cant the reverse be done.

A number of posts back I pointed out that there are ways to phase shift the current. I also pointed out why the best result that can be had from doing so can only approximate having no induction at all. I have explained that several times now.

MarkE · « **Reply #203 on:** December 26, 2014, 04:11:57 PM »

Quote from: MileHigh on December 26, 2014, 03:59:37 PM

This type of behaviour is unacceptable. I commend John/Minnie for denouncing this behaviour. Synchro1 has been hurling abuse at people for a long time.

I am also denouncing Synchro1's behaviour.

I challenge the regular posters and others reading this to also denounce Synchro1's unacceptable behaviour. I literally mean it - the challenge for you is to make a posting expressing your disdain for Synhro1's behaviour and to tell him to stop it.

If enough of you post expressing your disdain then perhaps Synchro1 will get the message and finally stop.

If you are walking down the street and you see two 14-year-old punks assaulting an old lady what do you do? Do you just walk by and do nothing or do you try to stop it? It's time for people to speak up.

Synchro1 has an opportunity to turn over a new leaf for 2015. I am only stating this because there are limits to this kind of behaviour. If we all do nothing then we are all passively condoning this kind of behaviour and therefore we all collectively share in the guilt.

MH I think the best discretion is not to get upset by Synchro1's provocations. Synchro1 is only hurting his own reputation. His rants and now threats have no more teeth than anyone gives them by getting upset.

MileHigh · « **Reply #204 on:** December 26, 2014, 04:15:26 PM »

Quote from: MarkE on December 26, 2014, 04:11:57 PM

MH I think the best discretion is not to get upset by Synchro1's provocations. Synchro1 is only hurting his own reputation. His rants and now threats have no more teeth than anyone gives them by getting upset.

That is one point of view and it is valid.

However, there are also limits, and we share a collective responsibility to act like decent human beings. We are all Synchro1's if we never say anything.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d5d_1418089532

tinman · « **Reply #205 on:** December 26, 2014, 04:16:03 PM »

Quote from: MarkE on December 26, 2014, 04:04:02 PM

A number of posts back I pointed out that there are ways to phase shift the current. I also pointed out why the best result that can be had from doing so can only approximate having no induction at all. I have explained that several times now.

Cool,i look forward to your explanation of my results on the other thread.

MarkE · « **Reply #206 on:** December 26, 2014, 04:30:50 PM »

Quote from: MileHigh on December 26, 2014, 04:15:26 PM

That is one point of view and it is valid.

However, there are also limits, and we share a collective responsibility to act like decent human beings. We are all Synchro1's if we never say anything.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d5d_1418089532

I can assure you that I feel unscathed by Synchro1's chicken hawk style empty threats.

synchro1 · « **Reply #207 on:** December 26, 2014, 05:06:38 PM »

@MarkE, Milehigh,

This is my thread. You assholes can go start your own thread.

MileHigh · « **Reply #208 on:** December 26, 2014, 05:11:09 PM »

Quote from: MarkE on December 26, 2014, 04:30:50 PM

I can assure you that I feel unscathed by Synchro1's chicken hawk style empty threats.

I understand that, but you are not the issue here. It's a generic issue about how we collectively behave towards one another and if we will tolerate this kind of unacceptable behaviour without saying anything.

The challenge is for people to speak up and denounce this kind of behaviour. It sometimes takes some guts and some character to stand up and say what is right and denounce what is wrong.

synchro1 · « **Reply #209 on:** December 26, 2014, 05:17:26 PM »

Quote from: MileHigh on December 26, 2014, 05:11:09 PM

I understand that, but you are not the issue here. It's a generic issue about how we collectively behave towards one another and if we will tolerate this kind of unacceptable behaviour without saying anything.

The challenge is for people to speak up and denounce this kind of behaviour. It sometimes takes some guts and some character to stand up and say what is right and denounce what is wrong.

Fuck you. You're off topic!

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