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Re: Magnet coil cores, demagnetization power and Lenz delay.
« Reply #120 on: December 14, 2014, 03:10:09 AM »
@MarkE,

You're just dodging my question. I've been completely befuddled before by your tortured and densely incomprehensible obfuscation. You just like to cause trouble. I intend to simply ignore you from now on.

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Re: Magnet coil cores, demagnetization power and Lenz delay.
« Reply #121 on: December 14, 2014, 04:43:08 AM »
The shorted coil Konzen demonstrates accelerates his magnet rotor from forces in the coil. Think how silly this is! What difference could it possibly make if the rotor was sustained at the same speed by self inertia? People want to pretend that it would make a difference to sustain the rotor motion with an auxilliary power source rather then inertial momentum. I can assure everyone that the force in the shorted generator coil that accelerates Doug's powered rotor is sufficient to accelerate one sustained by flywheel inertia alone; Regardless of what kind of theory you use to explain it.

The only critical criteria for self acceleration is that the magnet rotor be sufficiently frictionless!

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Re: Magnet coil cores, demagnetization power and Lenz delay.
« Reply #122 on: December 14, 2014, 04:21:19 PM »

I sorta figured that you wouldn't follow, and would conclude that such a condition if it indeed existed could immediately be blamed on incompetence.  Its cool, I'd really love to show you the phenomena, but considering how folks get sliced and diced around here, I think I'll stay ignorant a little while longer.  With that being said however, I linked to your video which I think is genius.  I quote the relevant text:

"When the coils are wired together in the running configuration, they are then "phased" exactly like phasing a stereo speaker system---only opposite. When the tiny CEMF signals from each pair of coils are exactly out of phase the total CEMF signature flatlines completely."

My work is directly related to what you disclose here.  I appreciate you sharing this with the world.


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@Erfinder,

I'm running this thread. Go ahead and present your findings. I'll ride herd on that pack of trolls!

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Re: Magnet coil cores, demagnetization power and Lenz delay.
« Reply #122 on: December 14, 2014, 04:21:19 PM »
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Re: Magnet coil cores, demagnetization power and Lenz delay.
« Reply #123 on: December 14, 2014, 06:52:54 PM »

Hello synchro1,


I really appreciate the offer, however, I will decline.  I have been down this road of sharing what I have been working on.  It never ends like I would like.  I like how you think though, and welcome a conversation via Skype if you are interested.  PM me your Skype name.




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I just opened a Skype account and downloaded the program. I'll PM my Skype name when it's fully activated.

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Re: Magnet coil cores, demagnetization power and Lenz delay.
« Reply #124 on: December 14, 2014, 07:27:27 PM »
Skycollection designed a fine high speed monopole rotor. Coupled with my internal bearings concept, it would surely outperform any other design. Skycollection magnetically attaches two diametrically magnetized bar magnets to an iron axle, then slips a brass collar over them. These bar magnets are polarized side to side and are attached by the same pole to the iron axle. His axle runs into Mendicino levitating bearings on the ends which cause trouble because he's forced to spin the axle along with the rotor. A better approach would involve positioning two tiny precision ceramic radial bearings inside the iron magnet tube bore hole and keeping the axle stationary. This method doubles the rotor speed. Lets say the iron tube has a bore hole of 1/2 inch. The radial bearing would need an OD of nearly 1/2 inch. The ID of the bearing would nearly equal the diameter of the stationary axle. These dimensions need to be tailored to dove tail with a tiny fractional difference to come together and squeeze inside one another exactly. A 3d printer might help but is unnecessary. Four diametric bar magnets all poles facing out alike, magnetically attached to an iron tube with precision internal bearings, covered with a brass sleeve, would deliver the ideal lowest friction monopole rotor capable of very high operating RPM'S, with a very high degree of safety. This kind of four pole low friction high speed monopole rotor would be an ideal choice for the self accelerting generator under development here. The generator dosen't reach it's full potential untill the rotor accelerates to top end, in this case around 50K RPM. Remember, the shorted coil acts the same way wired to a capacitive load, so there's no need for an alternate output coil. All the output is generated by the "Lenz Reverse Propulsión". When the rotor accelerates to top speed the output is awesome! The rotor will not begin to self accelerte if there's any drag at all from a power coil or high friction from a poor bearing setup. Only at very high speed does the generator have any value.

The saturation level of the ferrite portion of the coil core is the strongest variable that forces the repositioning of the hybrid "Synchro" coil. The higher the permeability factor of the ferrite, the lower the positioning tolerance.

http://www.bocabearings.com/?utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=search-brand 

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Re: Magnet coil cores, demagnetization power and Lenz delay.
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Re: Magnet coil cores, demagnetization power and Lenz delay.
« Reply #125 on: December 14, 2014, 11:17:39 PM »
A set of 3D designed and printed bearings bushings would really help tremedously. The two sides could snap buckle in the center of the iron axle bore hole. Glueing the bearings in place that way presented my biggest headache. A precisión 3D printed snap socket on each end for the precisión bearings would put a fine finishing touch on the rotor. The force in the shorted coil that accelerates Konzen's clumsy rotor is enough to rotate this kind of small radius low friction rotor full circle. There's hardly any torque, but it's timing self advances and the propulsión force increases exponentially with acceleration untill the rotor reaches hyper Sonic velocity.

A square iron nut with a smooth bore hole would work best for the bearing magnet core holder. This kind of rotor's very versatile. It can easily switch to difour pole monopolar diametric or N S N S.

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Re: Magnet coil cores, demagnetization power and Lenz delay.
« Reply #126 on: December 16, 2014, 06:52:20 PM »
Here's an excellent video of shorted coil acceleration coupled with a clear and concise "Lenz Delay" theory:

"My current theory is that the generator coil is too slow to react 'properly', it tries to hinder the approach by setting up a north magnetic field, but the coil is slow and when the field up it's too late, the magnet is already going away, so instead of slowing it down it pushes the magnet away and speeding it up".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeXadyVSxj4

The shorted coil can be viewed as an "Infinite Capacitor".

These are pictures of perhaps the World's first self powered Alternator:.

Top to bottom :

1- View of the 3/4 inch diametically magnetized spinner in the 2 1/2 inch PVC protective coupling.
2- Miniature 1/4 inch O.D. , 1/8 inch I.D. all ceramic bearing on top of a Radio Shack 12 volt 6 amp hour battery.
3- Position of the 12 volt Reed Switch on the "Series Bifilar Air Core Spool Coil". Pins should point away from the magnet..
4- Top secured for runing with coil seated down partly inside the output core.
5- The six main componants: Power coil on the PVC coupling, 1/8 inch brass axel, ceramic bearing, battery and Reed Switch.
6- Circuit schematic.

This setup would work best to achieve self acceleration with the simple addition of a mechanical shorting DPDT blade switch accoss the coil leads!


The trick here would be to short the coil leads with the DPDT blade switch before the reed switch contacts fuse at high RPM. A DPDT blade switch would disconnect the power and simultainiously short the coil for self acceleration

The small radius very low friction rotor is the critical factor in the self powering effect!

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Re: Magnet coil cores, demagnetization power and Lenz delay.
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Re: Magnet coil cores, demagnetization power and Lenz delay.
« Reply #127 on: December 16, 2014, 08:39:13 PM »
synchro1,


Like you and many others, I see the significance of this effect, however, the thing that we haven't been paying attention to, ignoring it as it were, is the fact that acceleration is limited!  We cannot ignore the fact that the gain in RPM is limited.  We note the acceleration, and we also note when the acceleration ends, we understand the conditions needed to get this far.  What we haven't comprehended is how to lift the limit!

This concept has been under investigation for some time now and we still haven't figured it out.  While the effect is novel, it is of no practical value as is.  If the system accelerates up to a certain speed and then the acceleration stops, how are we justified in considering this as being useful?  We need to comprehend the mechanism which limits further acceleration.  We want runaway conditions when the load is attached, and not just limited acceleration, right? We want the generator to produce torque which exceeds that which is being provided by the prime mover...right?  We feel that this is the way forward, and maybe it is, but as long as acceleration dies down, we won't get there with this method. 

Think about this....up to a certain point the coil opposes change in current.  After a certain point is reached, the coil opposes changes in potential.  The change over constitutes at least in my mind a migration from operating under the laws governing one energy storage mechanism to the laws which govern the other.

In motors we note the same behavior, immediate acceleration followed by stabilized RPM.  We know who the culprit is that is responsible for limiting further acceleration.  We claim to have removed the negative effects associated with CEMF from the equation when discussing this acceleration under load phenomena, in truth, we have not. 

In my opinion the solution to the speed limitation is found in understanding that the effect itself is tied to the size of the storage reservoir, speed increase and its eventual plateau is an indication of the size of this reservoir.  The solution in my opinion lies in establishing those conditions whereby the reservoir increases in size with increasing RPM. 


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The soloution is blindingly simple! The shorted coil simply needs to be gingerly repositioned. I sustain the acceleration  by pushing the coil in towards the rotor with my fingers. The red wire coil pictured above is merely held in place by pressure from the tight fitting hole. The coil's free to move in and out. You just need to fish for a new sweet spot. It takes pilot skills to reposition it in the narrow range needed to sustain the acceleration, but it stabilizes toward the upward range of the speed limitations. The thing is the rotor is spinning at nearly Hyper Sonic velocity with no input!

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Re: Magnet coil cores, demagnetization power and Lenz delay.
« Reply #128 on: December 16, 2014, 09:32:12 PM »
@Erfinder,

People ask me to do that when I'm trying to recruit replicators. Almost any thing will work. Take Hob Nire's setup in the video I posted a link to above; Hob's shorted coil is fixed in position. All Hob, or anyone would need to do is to place that shorted coil on a moveable track with a screw positioner and he could disconnect the power to the pulse coil and sustain the rotor acceleration by repositioning the shorted coil in towards the rotor a fraction of an inch or so!

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Re: Magnet coil cores, demagnetization power and Lenz delay.
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Re: Magnet coil cores, demagnetization power and Lenz delay.
« Reply #129 on: December 16, 2014, 11:05:19 PM »
synchro1,


Like you and many others, I see the significance of this effect, however, the thing that we haven't been paying attention to, ignoring it as it were, is the fact that acceleration is limited!  We cannot ignore the fact that the gain in RPM is limited.  We note the acceleration, and we also note when the acceleration ends, we understand the conditions needed to get this far.  What we haven't comprehended is how to lift the limit!

   

In my opinion the solution to the speed limitation is found in understanding that the effect itself is tied to the size of the storage reservoir, speed increase and its eventual plateau is an indication of the size of this reservoir.  The solution in my opinion lies in establishing those conditions whereby the reservoir increases in size with increasing RPM. 


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You also need to remove the coil altogether,and then do another RPM reading. I think you will find that the RPM will also go up without the coil and core there at all.

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Re: Magnet coil cores, demagnetization power and Lenz delay.
« Reply #130 on: December 16, 2014, 11:47:11 PM »
You also need to remove the coil altogether,and then do another RPM reading. I think you will find that the RPM will also go up without the coil and core there at all.

Right, very good point! Everyone knows how important positioning a power coil precisely is and the large difference a small correction can make. After the power coil's positioned, rotor acceleration depends on the amount of power delivered to the coil. A shorted output coil has no way to vary any power to itself, but pushing it in more closely towards the magnet rotor has the same effect as adding power to a drive coil.

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Re: Magnet coil cores, demagnetization power and Lenz delay.
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« Reply #131 on: December 17, 2014, 01:22:14 AM »
Hob Nire has all his coils positioned at the same distance from his magnet rotor. What happens to the rotor speed when he shorts a second output coil? Nothing! The reason is the maximum propulsion strength has already been achieved by the first coil at that distance. Imagine the output coils staggered in distance from the rotor like a Pan Flute. First we short the furthest, we achieve a few hundred RPM'S in acceleration; Then we short the next closest coil. What can we expect from that one? Additional accelration! The point is we have nothing to gain from multiple shorted coils.

All Hob Nire's output coils in faned sequence would only work as well as one shorted coil on an adjustable worm gear.

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Re: Magnet coil cores, demagnetization power and Lenz delay.
« Reply #132 on: December 18, 2014, 10:05:17 PM »
I'm returning after a brief diversion to Gotoluc's "Lenz Delay Thread". Milehigh has falsely tutored a group of contributors including Tinman, MarkE, Farmhand, etc. They all parrot MH's "No Lenz Delay" non-theory based on imaginary instrument error and other kinds of stupid arguements. Luc has clearly demomstrated the validity of the theory with his most recent test. Luc's output coil is not shorted, but wired to a high value resistive load. This proves the effect is dependent on a heavy load or a dead short acting as an infinate load or an infinite capacitor.

Luc's ferrite core extends past the Wall of his output, and passes through the entire bore hole. A magnet wave is produced at the tip of the core by the passing magnet pole that travels through the ferrite with a Barkhausen effect resembling falling dominos as the magnetic domains flip in groups. When this wave reaches the shorted coil, it's reflected back towards the spinning rotor magnet. The reflected wave is either lagging or in advance of TDC causing either drag or propulsión depending on the distance the shorted coil is from the end of the ferrite core. The conditions require that a mínimum threshold RPM be achieved by the rotor, and the the coil impedence match the rotor field strength. A slow rotor or weak coil won't get the "Lenz Reversal Effect".

I discovered that after the initial speed up, that the new RPM changes the core viscosity slightly, and causes the refleted wave to lag enough to stall the acceleration. Gotoluc can't test for this repositioing effect because his Dremel driver is already at top speed. The important point I make is that the acceleration advances in "Barkhausen Leaps" not linearly when the new wave reflection position of the shorted coil is reached!






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Re: Magnet coil cores, demagnetization power and Lenz delay.
« Reply #133 on: December 18, 2014, 10:26:35 PM »
There is no such thing as a "Lenz delay".    "Lenz delay" is an invented term used by some to describe current that is out of phase with the inducing current.   Reactive networks and/or transmission delay mechanisms can store and return energy.  On a cycle by cycle basis the amount of returned energy is never quite equal nor greater than the energy imparted.  That means that one can enjoy all kinds of entertainment by "releasing the (induced current) brake" in an electrodynamic machine by introducing reactive elements and or a transmission delay network that reflects at the far end.  One can readily demonstrate by manipulating such networks that loading on the source  can be reduced.  It can never be reduced to zero or set-up for a gain.  As the load goes to zero so to goes the energy that can perform useful work on or through the load.

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Re: Magnet coil cores, demagnetization power and Lenz delay.
« Reply #134 on: December 19, 2014, 07:48:27 PM »
@MarkE,

"Lenz Delay Effect" as proved by Gotoluc involves the reflection of a "Magnet Wave" in a ferrite ore and is a "Core Effect"! I know you guys are too busy uploading comments all the time to do any meaningfull research on your own, and it would be too much trouble to ask you to  study JLN'S video series on the effect.

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"Lenz delay" is an invented term used by some to describe current that is out of phase with the inducing current".

 

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