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Author Topic: Magnet coil cores, demagnetization power and Lenz delay.  (Read 200299 times)

Offline ramset

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Re: Magnet coil cores, demagnetization power and Lenz delay.
« Reply #45 on: November 30, 2014, 10:28:55 PM »
Synchro
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Your on your own.


for the record,I have not followed your interactions with Tinsel whatsoever .
Life is too short and time to important for me to take your position.[sophomoric Name calling}


I have great respect for Tinsel's integrity ,knowledge base and build skills.
He actually builds and tests ideas here !!
 I personally would welcome his input on appropriate projects and in the very near future will be dedicating much time towards this very worthwhile goal.
that goal being to get OPEN SOURCE projects with  Teeth on his Menu.
besides Cheeesy Burgers.....


your loss IMO


Respectfully
Chet
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from what I have recently read ,if this were a more formal [contractual] Cheeseburger challenge
you would most definitely be held liable for said Cheeseburger .


Properly liable that is...


but ... T'was a mere  Cheesy bet [gentlemen s] ,not a formal Cheeseburger  Challenge...


Formal cheeseburger challenges are time consuming process's
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Offline MarkE

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Re: Magnet coil cores, demagnetization power and Lenz delay.
« Reply #46 on: November 30, 2014, 10:41:16 PM »
@MarkE,

Take a close look at this JLN test:

JLN's sliding the coil down an iron core. He gets the "Lenz Delay" at 30mm. My question to you is;
What effect would placing a magnet at the end of the core have on the distance for the DLE effect?
Would it shorten the length increase the length or have no effect on the length?
 
http://jnaudin.free.fr/dlenz/DLE19en.htm
The explanation is that the experiment does not evaluate what it claims.  When transferring energy or continuous power between a source and a load, the impedance matching of the source and the load determine what percentage of the available power from the source flows to the load.  Under circumstances where there is a large mismatch then the larger impedance of the two dominates.  This is the case for example with the electrical loads in your home connected to the power utility.

By moving the shorted coil around over the iron rod, JLN changes the coupling impedance and efficiency.  What he doesn't do is get is an effect where induction is delayed.  Induction delays development of force in the direction of motion, which is as I previously described, always against the direction of motion and therefore always a braking effect.

This experiment is likened by JLN to some of Thane Heins experiments as well it should.  Thane Heins has done a number of experiments where by biasing magnetic materials he reduces the BEMF / torque constants of various motors.  Driven by a fixed voltage supply and lightly loaded by only bearing friction and windage, the result is to increase the free running speed of those motors while reducing their torque at any current.  The effect is similar to what happens when one winds a motor with fewer turns of wire. 

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Re: Magnet coil cores, demagnetization power and Lenz delay.
« Reply #47 on: November 30, 2014, 10:44:01 PM »

TK's just a punk!
Whether you like TK or not, he does a very good job of backing his claims with repeatable experiments.

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Re: Magnet coil cores, demagnetization power and Lenz delay.
« Reply #47 on: November 30, 2014, 10:44:01 PM »
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Offline synchro1

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Re: Magnet coil cores, demagnetization power and Lenz delay.
« Reply #48 on: November 30, 2014, 10:54:50 PM »
The explanation is that the experiment does not evaluate what it claims.  When transferring energy or continuous power between a source and a load, the impedance matching of the source and the load determine what percentage of the available power from the source flows to the load.  Under circumstances where there is a large mismatch then the larger impedance of the two dominates.  This is the case for example with the electrical loads in your home connected to the power utility.

By moving the shorted coil around over the iron rod, JLN changes the coupling impedance and efficiency.  What he doesn't do is get is an effect where induction is delayed.  Induction delays development of force in the direction of motion, which is as I previously described, always against the direction of motion and therefore always a braking effect.

This experiment is likened by JLN to some of Thane Heins experiments as well it should.  Thane Heins has done a number of experiments where by biasing magnetic materials he reduces the BEMF / torque constants of various motors.  Driven by a fixed voltage supply and lightly loaded by only bearing friction and windage, the result is to increase the free running speed of those motors while reducing their torque at any current.  The effect is similar to what happens when one winds a motor with fewer turns of wire.

F=MA, Force equals mass times acceleration. When the rotor speeds up the force increases.

Offline minnie

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Re: Magnet coil cores, demagnetization power and Lenz delay.
« Reply #49 on: November 30, 2014, 11:12:58 PM »



   My question is: How can you delay something that has happened?
   How can you employ something which depletes your prime objective?
                           John.

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Re: Magnet coil cores, demagnetization power and Lenz delay.
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Re: Magnet coil cores, demagnetization power and Lenz delay.
« Reply #50 on: November 30, 2014, 11:49:03 PM »
Look at JLN's 2sGen. We see magnets, a coil wraped nano perm toroid and an output coil. Look at the output interval compared to the pulse width on the scope shot. It's 7 or 8 times as long. The DPDT relay needs the same ratio of output to pulse lag time to recover all the power from the demagnetization of the magnetite core in the GAP power coil of kEhYo. The demagnetization output is generated on the quanta plane through an atomic reordering process. JLN calculates a COP of 8 x OU from that scope shot. This is simple to achieve by reducing the rotor magnets to 2, and leaving the DPDT relay normally closed to output to the storage for 180 degrees. 

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Re: Magnet coil cores, demagnetization power and Lenz delay.
« Reply #51 on: November 30, 2014, 11:55:41 PM »


   My question is: How can you delay something that has happened?
   How can you employ something which depletes your prime objective?
                           John.

You create distance. The further a gun's fired from your ear the longer it takes for the noise to reach you.

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Re: Magnet coil cores, demagnetization power and Lenz delay.
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Re: Magnet coil cores, demagnetization power and Lenz delay.
« Reply #52 on: December 01, 2014, 12:20:34 AM »
Here's the link to the GAP motor video. kEhYo has a Hall effect sensor and mosfet powering one strand of a bifilar coil, the other strand gathers output from the pole reversal. My design calls for a single wire coil and a DPDT Reed Relay. The relay wires to the battery for the neutralization pulse, then goes normally open to a storage capacitor.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxrJoGZy1to
 
Here's a link for a DPDT Reed Relay:
 
http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/reed-relays/3491774/
 
The Reed Relay has eight pins. Two of the pins are for mounting and are inert. The GAP motor would have the two neutralization coils in series, leaving two leads which would solder to the center pins. The battery in series with a potentiometer would attach to the normally open pins on one end, and the storage capacitor in series with a fast switching diode would attach to the normally closed set of pins on the other end. The Reed Relay triggers from one pole and that's the pole you want to face out from the monopole rotor. You can easily test the relay for the closed side with a battery and 12 volt light bulb. Also the trigger pole polarity.

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Re: Magnet coil cores, demagnetization power and Lenz delay.
« Reply #53 on: December 01, 2014, 12:50:34 AM »

F=MA, Force equals mass times acceleration. When the rotor speeds up the force increases.
Sure it is and does, but that does not equate to JLN's set-up evaluating the supposed LENZ delay that he claims.  We could start with the fact that if anything were affected it would be the Faraday Induction.  Lenz refers only to the direction of induced current, not whether or not induction occurs or is somehow delayed.  But the big deal here is that he is just changing coupling coefficients in an inefficient system and noting where he gets better or worse results.

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Re: Magnet coil cores, demagnetization power and Lenz delay.
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Re: Magnet coil cores, demagnetization power and Lenz delay.
« Reply #54 on: December 01, 2014, 01:09:27 AM »
Look at JLN's 2sGen. We see magnets, a coil wraped nano perm toroid and an output coil. Look at the output interval compared to the pulse width on the scope shot. It's 7 or 8 times as long. The DPDT relay needs the same ratio of output to pulse lag time to recover all the power from the demagnetization of the magnetite core in the GAP power coil of kEhYo. The demagnetization output is generated on the quanta plane through an atomic reordering process. JLN calculates a COP of 8 x OU from that scope shot. This is simple to achieve by reducing the rotor magnets to 2, and leaving the DPDT relay normally closed to output to the storage for 180 degrees.
Synchro1 I plotted the V*T area of both the on pulse and the flyback pulse and they match as expected.  Energy only comes out of the coil when the voltage is above the supply (red in the picture).  Energy goes into the coil when the voltage is below the supply (green).  The oscillations represent energy sloshing back and forth between the inductance and parasitic capacitance of the circuit.  The rest of the time the coil is neither taking energy from the power supply nor taking it from the load.  This is acting like an ordinary voltage boost converter.

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Re: Magnet coil cores, demagnetization power and Lenz delay.
« Reply #55 on: December 01, 2014, 01:13:48 AM »

You create distance. The further a gun's fired from your ear the longer it takes for the noise to reach you.
The trouble there is that the transit velocity is constant (let's not get picky about humidity and air pressure over time) and the distance is constant leading to a constant delay between any event and the observer.  There is not any distance you can locate the observer where the receive free energy due to their position.

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Re: Magnet coil cores, demagnetization power and Lenz delay.
« Reply #56 on: December 01, 2014, 01:17:36 AM »
Here's the link to the GAP motor video. kEhYo has a Hall effect sensor and mosfet powering one strand of a bifilar coil, the other strand gathers output from the pole reversal. My design calls for a single wire coil and a DPDT Reed Relay. The relay wires to the battery for the neutralization pulse, then goes normally open to a storage capacitor.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxrJoGZy1to
 
Here's a link for a DPDT Reed Relay:
 
http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/reed-relays/3491774/
 
The Reed Relay has eight pins. Two of the pins are for mounting and are inert. The GAP motor would have the two neutralization coils in series, leaving two leads which would solder to the center pins. The battery in series with a potentiometer would attach to the normally open pins on one end, and the storage capacitor in series with a fast switching diode would attach to the normally closed set of pins on the other end. The Reed Relay triggers from one pole and that's the pole you want to face out from the monopole rotor. You can easily test the relay for the closed side with a battery and 12 volt light bulb. Also the trigger pole polarity.
If you are happy with mechanical contacts that is fine.  Personally, I would wire up transistors in order to close down the timing variability and problems with contact bounce.
I've watched that video before and found nothing out of the ordinary.

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Re: Magnet coil cores, demagnetization power and Lenz delay.
« Reply #57 on: December 01, 2014, 01:18:01 AM »
Sure it is and does, but that does not equate to JLN's set-up evaluating the supposed LENZ delay that he claims.  We could start with the fact that if anything were affected it would be the Faraday Induction.  Lenz refers only to the direction of induced current, not whether or not induction occurs or is somehow delayed.  But the big deal here is that he is just changing coupling coefficients in an inefficient system and noting where he gets better or worse results.

As the rotor magnet approaches the output coil, a magnetic field appears in the coil that opposes the passage of the passing magnet. Positioning the output coil 30mm down an iron core delays the formation of the opposing field in the coil. This has nothing to do with current. The delay is in the output cole field development. The propulsion is a consequence of the field appearing late behind TDC resulting in a shove instead early in opposition causing drag. Lenz force can be positive or negative. Reversed it imparts a power pulse while still generating current in the output windings. This results in net gain.

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Re: Magnet coil cores, demagnetization power and Lenz delay.
« Reply #58 on: December 01, 2014, 01:30:04 AM »

As the rotor magnet approaches the output coil, a
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magnetic field appears in  
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the coil that opposes the passage of the passing magnet.
induces a  voltage and resulting current that opposes the change in magnetic field that created it.
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   Positioning the output coil 30mm down a iron core
results in eddy currents in the rod that do the same thing, and while the eddy currents flow reduce the magnitude of the field that cuts through the coil creating the apparent delay.
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delays the formation of the opposing field in the coil. This has nothing to do with current. The delay is in the output field development.
This apparent delay is an ordinary consequence of Faraday induction and Lenz' Law acting on the iron rod.
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  The propulsion is a consequence of the field appearing late behind TDC resulting in a shove instead early in opposition causing drag.
This is claimed propulsion that the experiment does not actually demonstrate.
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Lenz force can be positive or negative. Reversed it imparts a power pulse while still generating current in the output windings. This results in net gain.
Absolutely not.  Lenz' Law defines the direction of an induced voltage and it defines it in such a way that is consistent with Conservation of Energy.
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Re: Magnet coil cores, demagnetization power and Lenz delay.
« Reply #59 on: December 01, 2014, 01:45:32 AM »
changingcutsinduces a  voltage and resulting current that opposes the change in magnetic field that created it. results in eddy currents in the rod that do the same thing, and while the eddy currents flow reduce the magnitude of the field that cuts through the coil creating the apparent delay. This apparent delay is an ordinary consequence of Faraday induction and Lenz' Law acting on the iron rod.This is claimed propulsion that the experiment does not actually demonstrate. Absolutely not.  Lenz' Law defines the direction of an induced voltage and it defines it in such a way that is consistent with Conservation of Energy.

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