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Author Topic: Magnet coil cores, demagnetization power and Lenz delay.  (Read 182196 times)

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Re: Magnet coil cores, demagnetization power and Lenz delay.
« Reply #360 on: January 11, 2015, 11:24:07 AM »
Once the blade switch shorts the coil directly to the battery, the coil turns into a D.C. electro-magnet.
Not at once.
After the switch closes, this happens first.

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Re: Magnet coil cores, demagnetization power and Lenz delay.
« Reply #361 on: January 11, 2015, 07:33:21 PM »
Not at once.
After the switch closes, this happens first.

@Verpies,

Your working schematic includes both a resistor and a ferromagnetic core, neither of which are present in the air core electro-magnet design. Only the "V' and the "Switch" are there, not the "R" and the "L".

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Re: Magnet coil cores, demagnetization power and Lenz delay.
« Reply #362 on: January 11, 2015, 07:53:00 PM »
Here's the part number for the exact dimension "All Ceramic Bearing" I first used from BOCAS BEARINGS. This one slips perfectly inside the  1/4" neo-tube magnet bore hole with no machining necessary. OD .250!

R144-T9/P58 LD ZRO2 (.125x.250x.093) - $48.95 each.

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« Reply #362 on: January 11, 2015, 07:53:00 PM »
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Re: Magnet coil cores, demagnetization power and Lenz delay.
« Reply #363 on: January 11, 2015, 08:10:06 PM »
Your working schematic includes both a resistor and a ferromagnetic core, neither of which are present in the air core electro-magnet design.
Yes, the schematic includes a core but the core is superfluous.  An air core coil behaves the same way - it still has inductance (L), only less than a coil with a ferro core
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The resistor accounts for the resistance of the coil's winding as well, so unless you have a superconducting coil you also have this resistance (R).

In the end, an ordinary air core coil behaves the same way when pulsed.
« Last Edit: January 12, 2015, 02:13:12 AM by verpies »

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Re: Magnet coil cores, demagnetization power and Lenz delay.
« Reply #364 on: January 12, 2015, 05:50:20 PM »
Let's take one more look at JLN'S monopole rotor: Everyone can see it's really nothing but a piece of crap at first glance! Look at how far the bottem magnets are out of line. The rotor speed is severly limited by it's friction and balance imprecision. A bearingless monopole constructed like Skycollecton's with four diametric neo bar magnets attached to a square iron nut covered by a coopper sleeve and riding on a ball bearing, would continue to accelerate far beyond the 6,000 RPM JLN doubles up to. 600,000 RPM might be more like it! The input to the power coils would drop even further. This is what I'm refering to when I state that "Lenz Reverse Acceleration" is practically limitless.

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Re: Magnet coil cores, demagnetization power and Lenz delay.
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Re: Magnet coil cores, demagnetization power and Lenz delay.
« Reply #365 on: January 12, 2015, 07:02:31 PM »
An air core bearingless Bedini could transition to "Reverse Lenz Propulsion" with two switches: One switch would have to connect the trigger and the power coils serially and the other would have to short the new serial bifilar coil correctly to the battery. This would charge the hybid bifilar with the phase lag magnetic field and accelerate a diametric neo sphere by "Reverse Lenz Propulsion", or "RLP" above "Critical Mínimum Frequency".

The spinner RPM would no longer be limited by switch speed, and the input limited by I=V/R.

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Re: Magnet coil cores, demagnetization power and Lenz delay.
« Reply #366 on: January 12, 2015, 07:33:31 PM »
Let's look at the Daftman Bedini schematic: This looks complex, but two DPDT flop switches, one on each of the two coil leads can easily handle it. The start and end of each coil would wire to #3 and #4 of each switch. The four existing connections to #1 and # 2 of each switch. That leaves #5 and #6 on each switch. The outer #5 & #6 of those poles would wire directly to the positve and negative electrodes of the battery, and the inner #6 & #5  would simply wire straight across to each other.
« Last Edit: January 12, 2015, 11:27:23 PM by synchro1 »

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Re: Magnet coil cores, demagnetization power and Lenz delay.
« Reply #367 on: January 12, 2015, 08:12:01 PM »
This looks like a pretty scary switch: The QPDT! We can Beardenize this into; "Quantum Positron Di-Variable Transitioner"! or, "The Electro-Magnetic Serial Bifliarizer Switch"!

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Re: Magnet coil cores, demagnetization power and Lenz delay.
« Reply #368 on: January 12, 2015, 09:20:23 PM »
The 4PDT switch will cause the electrically magnetized serial bifilar coil to attract the bearingless neo sphere spinner, which is free to move, and solve the complex positioner problem! I believe a third winding would be able to deliver overunity output and charge the run battery looped back to source.

The other alternative would be to leave the third winding of the Trifilar uncoupled untill the "Lenz Propulsion" took effect, then direct the output to the charge battery. I believe the additional load would help increase the propulsion effect even more! It's easy just to wrap a third wire directly over the the outside of an existing bifilar for an output winding, and may even work better then winding three wires together side by side.
« Last Edit: January 12, 2015, 11:30:54 PM by synchro1 »

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Re: Magnet coil cores, demagnetization power and Lenz delay.
« Reply #368 on: January 12, 2015, 09:20:23 PM »
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Re: Magnet coil cores, demagnetization power and Lenz delay.
« Reply #369 on: January 12, 2015, 11:35:31 PM »
I had to correct this. I'm sure it's alright now:

Here's a better wiring schematic for the 4pdt switch: Following this schematic, the start and end wires of the trigger coil would go to pins #9 & #10 respectivly, and the end and start of the run coil to #11 & #12.

#1, #2, #3 & #4 just connect as the Daftman's schematic shows.

That leaves #5, #6, #7 & #8. #8 can go directly to #12 because it already connects correctly to the positive pole of the run battery, #6 which goes to the emiter would need to connect to the negative pole of the run battery by a seperate wire. #7,  the end of the run coil, and #5 the start of the trigger would simply connect to each other to create the serial bifilar. Bridging the coils this way combines the magnetic fields. #13 & #14 are just the switch contacts.

Here's a good one from Amazon with a center off position, an important feature:

 
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Re: Magnet coil cores, demagnetization power and Lenz delay.
« Reply #370 on: January 13, 2015, 01:41:14 AM »
Those switch pictures are too large, sorry. I had to correct the wiring pattern above, I'm sure it's correct now. Anyway, running the neo sphere on the concave side of a cosmetic mirror would help. Positioning a normal "Lenz Drag" output coil on the opposite side of the mirror would help control the rotor speed. You can shut the coil off all together with the 4pdt switch if it starts to run away, and get a drag inducing output coil in place wired to a load. You'll either be off the grid at that point or collecting a pay check from the power company!
« Last Edit: January 13, 2015, 07:51:14 AM by synchro1 »

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Re: Magnet coil cores, demagnetization power and Lenz delay.
« Reply #371 on: January 14, 2015, 10:10:08 PM »
I got more information on the switch which is designed to handle both AC and DC. Together with the center off position:

"If you zoom in on the pic it says it on the side. Here it is anyway: 10A 250V AC 15A 125V AC Also works for low voltage DC which is what we use them for"!

The running approach would involve accelerating a 1" diameter neo-sphere to top speed with the Bedini circuit, then "Flopping the toggle" for hyper "Lenz Repulsion" over drive.

The ball can slip inside a 1 & 1/4" diameter PVC coupling after it gets started. This will protect from shattering.

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Re: Magnet coil cores, demagnetization power and Lenz delay.
« Reply #372 on: January 15, 2015, 02:52:19 AM »
I think the "Spiral Bifilar Toroid Coil" Bedini would work better for this hybrid drive circuit because spinning a sphere inside the core of a toroid coil maximizes ball stability.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biDJ_xLtrcI&feature=related

Wrapping this kind of coil's pretty easy. I call it the "Quick and Dirty" Rodin coil. Start out transfering  two strands of wire to a spindle stick. Make a few loops of wire to act as a core to start spiraling the wires around in the same direction as the core loops. End up where the wires start and give the four ends a twist. Voila!

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Re: Magnet coil cores, demagnetization power and Lenz delay.
« Reply #373 on: January 15, 2015, 04:38:10 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HC7u7-gTdPI[/font] when loaded you can not see it be cause it was not allowed you to do so :D we have trust photos as allways jln labs do.

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Re: Magnet coil cores, demagnetization power and Lenz delay.
« Reply #374 on: January 15, 2015, 06:34:21 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HC7u7-gTdPI[/font] when loaded you can not see it be cause it was not allowed you to do so :D we have trust photos as allways jln labs do.

@thngr,

Awesome results; 1600 to 3200 RPM! I"m certain the rotor would speed up even more if it was better balanced. The 4PDT Bedini switch can cause a direct short of the power coil causing an "infinite capacitor" load effect simply by connecting #6 to #8. The "Shorting" effect alone on the spiral coil neo-sphere should send it ballistic! The 4PDT switch looks like the best way so far to combine and short the two seperated Bedini bifilar power and trigger coils.
« Last Edit: January 15, 2015, 10:00:49 PM by synchro1 »

 

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