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Author Topic: Magnet coil cores, demagnetization power and Lenz delay.  (Read 191290 times)

Offline synchro1

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Re: Magnet coil cores, demagnetization power and Lenz delay.
« Reply #135 on: December 19, 2014, 08:38:25 PM »
"As the intended frequency increases, a magnetic core’s material has a decrease in permeability, develops phase lag in response to external magnetic field changes and develops higher resistive impedance which causes heat loss".

When the "Lenz Delay Effect" causes rotor acceleration, the core material develops "phase lag" in response to continued external field changes from the accelerated rotor. This retards the reflected magnet wave from the shorted coil behind TDC and stalls the continued acceleration. A repositioning of the shorted coil becomes necessary to re commence the acceleration!

This is important: The DLE acceleration causes "Phase Lag" in the core material. We need to reposition the coil to re-advance it!

Like a vacuum advance timing system on a car distributor. The wave needs to be just a few degrees past TDC. Anything more will have no propulsion effect. Let's say we achieve "LDA" Lenz Delay Acceleration, and cut the power to the prime mover. What happens? The rotor slows down and stops due to the "PhasLag" the acceleration caused the core. What would happen if we cut the power while at the same time moving the shorted coil incrementally forward a hairs width by fine turn screw? This equals one over infinity!

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Re: Magnet coil cores, demagnetization power and Lenz delay.
« Reply #136 on: December 19, 2014, 11:07:05 PM »
@MarkE,

"Lenz Delay Effect" as proved by Gotoluc involves the reflection of a "Magnet Wave" in a ferrite ore and is a "Core Effect"! I know you guys are too busy uploading comments all the time to do any meaningfull research on your own, and it would be too much trouble to ask you to  study JLN'S video series on the effect.

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"Lenz delay" is an invented term used by some to describe current that is out of phase with the inducing current".
Synchro1 inventing a second term to support a first invented term is just digging a deeper hole.

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Re: Magnet coil cores, demagnetization power and Lenz delay.
« Reply #137 on: December 20, 2014, 01:43:04 AM »
Synchro1 inventing a second term to support a first invented term is just digging a deeper hole.

It's time you do some homework.

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Re: Magnet coil cores, demagnetization power and Lenz delay.
« Reply #137 on: December 20, 2014, 01:43:04 AM »
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Re: Magnet coil cores, demagnetization power and Lenz delay.
« Reply #138 on: December 20, 2014, 02:28:16 AM »
It's time you do some homework.
You may well be convinced of what you say.  Unfortunately for reasons that have been explained repeatedly you are wrong.  If you want to show evidence of a "delayed Lenz" effect then come up with a case where the induced voltage across a conductor switches direction while the orientation of the dB/dt is constant.

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Re: Magnet coil cores, demagnetization power and Lenz delay.
« Reply #139 on: December 20, 2014, 04:35:55 AM »
@MarkE,

"Lenz Delay Effect" requires a "Core"! It's a phase lag in the "Core Material". Why can't you understand that? Have you reviewed the JLN videos I asked you to look at yet? Stop pretending you know more about the subject matter then JLN1

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Re: Magnet coil cores, demagnetization power and Lenz delay.
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Re: Magnet coil cores, demagnetization power and Lenz delay.
« Reply #140 on: December 20, 2014, 10:12:48 AM »
@MarkE,

"Lenz Delay Effect" requires a "Core"! It's a phase lag in the "Core Material". Why can't you understand that? Have you reviewed the JLN videos I asked you to look at yet? Stop pretending you know more about the subject matter then JLN1
I have watched a number of videos and none of them support the conclusions that you promote.  The latest is no exception for the reasons I stated.

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Re: Magnet coil cores, demagnetization power and Lenz delay.
« Reply #141 on: December 20, 2014, 05:06:05 PM »
@MarkE,

DLE or "Delayed Lenz Effect", is caused by MAGNETIZEM. The effect has nothing to do with electricity. All I can say MarkE is that you really suprise me.
« Last Edit: December 21, 2014, 03:44:55 AM by synchro1 »

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Re: Magnet coil cores, demagnetization power and Lenz delay.
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Re: Magnet coil cores, demagnetization power and Lenz delay.
« Reply #142 on: December 20, 2014, 05:22:41 PM »
@MarkE,

DLE or "Delayed Lenz Effect", is caused by MAGNETIZEM. The effect has nothing to do with electricity. All I can say MarkE is that you epitomize STUPIDITY! I can't tell you how really fucking stupid you really are.
Synchro1, induction has everything to do with electromagnetism. 

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Re: Magnet coil cores, demagnetization power and Lenz delay.
« Reply #143 on: December 20, 2014, 06:31:13 PM »
Synchro1, induction has everything to do with electromagnetism.

Magnetizem is a seperate and distinct force from electricity. You're trying to sound smart when you're really not.
« Last Edit: December 21, 2014, 03:43:31 AM by synchro1 »

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Re: Magnet coil cores, demagnetization power and Lenz delay.
« Reply #143 on: December 20, 2014, 06:31:13 PM »
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Re: Magnet coil cores, demagnetization power and Lenz delay.
« Reply #144 on: December 21, 2014, 08:49:12 PM »
"As the intended frequency increases, a magnetic core’s material has a decrease in permeability, develops phase lag in response to external magnetic field changes and develops higher resistive impedance which causes heat loss".

When the "Lenz Delay Effect" causes rotor acceleration, the core material develops "phase lag" in response to continued external field changes from the accelerated rotor. This retards the reflected magnet wave from the shorted coil behind TDC and stalls the continued acceleration. A repositioning of the shorted coil becomes necessary to re commence the acceleration!

This is important: The DLE acceleration causes "Phase Lag" in the core material. We need to reposition the coil to re-advance it!

Like a vacuum advance timing system on a car distributor. The wave needs to be just a few degrees past TDC. Anything more will have no propulsion effect. Let's say we achieve "LDA" Lenz Delay Acceleration, and cut the power to the prime mover. What happens? The rotor slows down and stops due to the "PhasLag" the acceleration caused the core. What would happen if we cut the power while at the same time moving the shorted coil incrementally forward a hairs width by fine turn screw? This equals one over infinity!

Gotoluc has a video test bed on the "Delayed Lenz or not" thread, consisting of a diametric neo tube magnet on a Dremel. The output coil has a ferrite core extending outward from the coil wall toward the rotor and extending back through the bore hole. This setup could be modified to test for self acceleration with the following upgrades: Firstly, the Dremel runs at top speed of 35K for Critical Mínimum "Lenz Delay" R.P.M. The neo tube magnet would have to be placed on it's own bearing and driven by a cushion attached to the Dremal that would de-clutch when withdrawn apart for free spinning. Secondly, the output coil would need a fine positioning screw.

A second coil identical to the first with an adjustment screw would need to be placed opposite the advancing coil to create "Lenz Drag" to stabilize rotor R.P.M. and prevent runaway. This coil would need a load too. Both coils would need to be re-positioned simultainiously to sustain and stabilize the R.P.M. All the advancing coil can do is accelerate the rotor. The rotor would need a "Lag Drag" coil in opposition to stabilize the rotor speed. Review the quote comment above to more fully understand the principles.

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Re: Magnet coil cores, demagnetization power and Lenz delay.
« Reply #145 on: December 21, 2014, 11:35:21 PM »
Two automatic push pull Op Amp levitator circuits with "Hall Effect" Gauss sensors on each core, perhaps controled by an Arduino program connected to motorised positioners or electro magnetic coils would put the finishing touch on this self propelled alternator. We have advanced builders contributing on this forum who could master this kind of project with their skills.

The other alternative would involve a solid state transformer version working on the same basic principles. A good topic for a new thread!

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Re: Magnet coil cores, demagnetization power and Lenz delay.
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Re: Magnet coil cores, demagnetization power and Lenz delay.
« Reply #146 on: December 22, 2014, 11:06:54 PM »
Magnetizem is a seperate and distinct force from electricity. You're trying to sound smart when you're really not.
Induced voltage is an electromagnetic phenomenon.

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Re: Magnet coil cores, demagnetization power and Lenz delay.
« Reply #147 on: December 22, 2014, 11:48:52 PM »
Induced voltage is an electromagnetic phenomenon.

Water is not high pressure steam. Magnetizem and electricity are seperate forces like liquid and gas are seperate states of matter. Magnetisem has no effect on current in a wire. Magnetiizem needs a magnetic inductor to travel through like solid iron or steel just like electricity needs an electrical inductor. Copper's a good conductor of electricity but a poor conductor of magnetisem. The word electromagnetizem is practically meaningless on it's own without a reference to Ampere turns. Ampere turns of wire generate a magnetic field that is indistinguishable from a permanent magnet field. Permanent magnet fields are not  dependent on electricity. This is proof that magnetisem is not electricity as you falsely imply. Both you and Milehigh work very hard to confuse people about the distinct and totally seperate nature of these two individual forces. I threatened to ignore your comments because you persist in acting stupidly about this basic fact.

DLE only relates to the passage of magnetizem through a magnetic inductor and has nothing to do with the passage of electricity through an electrical conductor. stop confusing these differences or I will stop responding to your comments. Both you and Milehigh act like delinquent children and I'm sick of it.

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Re: Magnet coil cores, demagnetization power and Lenz delay.
« Reply #148 on: December 23, 2014, 02:30:30 AM »
Take it easy. It is not worth to get upset.


I think, after watching a lecture by a professor of an established university, explaining ferromagnetism, that science is only PRETENDING to know what is happening, just like they do with gravity. These things can be measured but they are not really understood.
 I think, first of all we have to make a diffrence between static and dynamic magnetism. Can there be magnetism without electricity? Sure. Can there be electricity without magnetism? No. Which is confusing.


Second, magnetism by PMs and EMs is not the same. In PMs the vectors are fixed and may be forced to unnatural paths. In EMs the vectors are aligned at Runtime and they dynamicly choose the path of least resistance. Of course, I am talking about the Coil or Magnet, not the Air/Iron etc. medium.


So we may say, static magnetism is independent of electricity, but electricity is always causing dynamic magnetism. In that sense there is indeed a connection. A semidirectional link, if you want, which is interesting by its own.


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Re: Magnet coil cores, demagnetization power and Lenz delay.
« Reply #149 on: December 23, 2014, 05:06:26 AM »
A PM stresses the electrons in the coil immediately, or with the speed of light. But it takes some time for the coil to equilibriate internally. The distribution of stress depends highly on the geometry of coil and core. The PM may have passed by before it is affected by the fully equilibriated B field of the coil. For that it may have to stay away from the core, which is where the stress is initially concentrated. Well... I guess so  :) . However, one may consider this a delayed Lenz effect. Because the distribution of the PMs B-Field is not linear or homogenous. But the coils current flow wants to be so, but needs some time, as I said, to equilibriate the stress.


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