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Author Topic: Has anyone seen Lasersabers new motor runs on 1000uf cap  (Read 197760 times)

Offline Magluvin

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Re: Has anyone seen Lasersabers new motor runs on 1000uf cap
« Reply #90 on: June 01, 2013, 09:21:55 PM »
27awg  52ohms     1000ft
30awg  105ohms    1000ft

Have not found an ohms rating for 42 awg yet but 40awg is about 1011ohms  1000ft

I was considering the other day using 30awg I have around, but now no.

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Re: Has anyone seen Lasersabers new motor runs on 1000uf cap
« Reply #91 on: June 01, 2013, 11:15:16 PM »
hello all
there is also a list with intermediate AWG sizes (from alcatel)
attached the one at hand, but if anyone interested I may look for the other and post it too.
cheers
edit: a very good one here   www.powerstream.com/Wire_Size.htm

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Re: Has anyone seen Lasersabers new motor runs on 1000uf cap
« Reply #92 on: June 02, 2013, 01:33:06 AM »
hello all
there is also a list with intermediate AWG sizes (from alcatel)
attached the one at hand, but if anyone interested I may look for the other and post it too.
cheers
edit: a very good one here   www.powerstream.com/Wire_Size.htm

Thanks Al

This chart is strange. lol  Theres a lot to figure out, like ft per Lb  then ohms/Lb.   I like the linked one, but still no 42awg ratings.  Im sure there is something out there.

I would venture to say that Lasers motor coils in series is in the thousands of ohms. Im not sure how much of that roll of 42awg/6700ft that he used on the 12 coils. Maybe he used more than one roll. Dunno.

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Re: Has anyone seen Lasersabers new motor runs on 1000uf cap
« Reply #92 on: June 02, 2013, 01:33:06 AM »
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Re: Has anyone seen Lasersabers new motor runs on 1000uf cap
« Reply #93 on: June 02, 2013, 02:37:49 AM »
http://www.mwswire.com/barecu6.htm

Maybe this is good enough

Thanks Webby ;)   Man, imagine 46awg. It must be like hair. One chart went to 55awg :o :o but no resistance numbers for 41awg and up.

Excellent chart. It even shows the range of resistance the wire can be.  ;)

So 42 awg is around 1500 to 1800ohms per 1000ft. The roll Laser has shown in the 6 coil vid can be 10,000 ohms or better. Pretty wild stuff. lol the wire is so thin, if you didnt count the turns, each coil could be several layers off from one another without noticing visually im sure. ;D

Im looking into  making a version of the motor with more coils but smaller and using 1/4 x 1/8 mags then try 1/2 x 1/8  then 1/2 x 3/8.  I have these already. Just messing with the design for fitting coil geometries on Cinema 4D to see just how many coils I might wish to wind.

I am ordering the wire in 42 and looking at some smaller to try some things. ;)



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Re: Has anyone seen Lasersabers new motor runs on 1000uf cap
« Reply #94 on: June 02, 2013, 02:40:02 PM »
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Re: Has anyone seen Lasersabers new motor runs on 1000uf cap
« Reply #95 on: June 02, 2013, 04:05:58 PM »
Not unless it is fashioned in the correct shape :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUD78P7pzvY#t=1h22m30s

The link should take you to 1 hour 22 minutes 30 seconds into the video.

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Re: Has anyone seen Lasersabers new motor runs on 1000uf cap
« Reply #96 on: June 02, 2013, 08:37:34 PM »
@LaserSaber

Thanks again for all your works. I need you to please bear with me in one instance so we can remove all possible doubts that may occur now or in the future. We need to get all the possible potential objections out of the way on the outset.

So here goes regarding your last video using the polycap and germanium diode.

From what we can see, you put small lengths of copper wire between the coil posts so you can then solder the wires coming from the two coils sharing that copper wire.

The problem arises, well not a problem but more of an uncertainty arises at the coil post that is also the top bridge to hold the rotor shaft in place. I am showing it below where you have the cap and diode and the copper wire going from left to right (right is the bridge post) as there is a second copper wire going inside the bridge post that you connected to the diode. This leaves that part open to possible speculations that is unnecessary for such a simple device.

So what I am asking is can you please make a 1 minute video showing the same EZ motor turning but snip the copper wire where I show an "X". This will remove all hassles and show that the device is exactly in series, coils to reed to cap to diode to coils.

Thanks a heep if you can do this.

wattsup

PS: I know from your intent to make such a clean and open build that you are not playing games but I think this one little aspect should be addressed. Once you can do that, then we can put @Magluvin's apprehension to rest and move forward to explain how such a wheel can function with a series diode. I think I know why but I need the above to be addressed first just for clarity.

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Re: Has anyone seen Lasersabers new motor runs on 1000uf cap
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Re: Has anyone seen Lasersabers new motor runs on 1000uf cap
« Reply #97 on: June 02, 2013, 09:52:55 PM »
Is that a peanut-butter jar lid for the rotor? Great minds think alike..... I did the same thing for my example Bedini SGM build.

Would somebody remind me please... how many magnets in the rotor, and are they all oriented same pole out?

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Re: Has anyone seen Lasersabers new motor runs on 1000uf cap
« Reply #98 on: June 02, 2013, 10:31:16 PM »
Is that a peanut-butter jar lid for the rotor? Great minds think alike..... I did the same thing for my example Bedini SGM build.

Would somebody remind me please... how many magnets in the rotor, and are they all oriented same pole out?

@TK, @TK, @TK

The rotor was 3D printed with the round magnet recesses built in.

There are 6 magnets on the rotor all N out, and there are either 6 or 12 coils that are NSNSNS or NSNSNSNSNSNS.

Now imagine if that rotor was a flat plate with a thin rim rising on the outer radius that held the magnets, then you could also put coils on the inside of the rotor rim and use the south polarities as well.

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Re: Has anyone seen Lasersabers new motor runs on 1000uf cap
« Reply #98 on: June 02, 2013, 10:31:16 PM »
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Re: Has anyone seen Lasersabers new motor runs on 1000uf cap
« Reply #99 on: June 02, 2013, 11:16:55 PM »
@TK, @TK, @TK

The rotor was 3D printed with the round magnet recesses built in.


Heh.... well, I'm sure it would make a fine peanut butter jar lid, too.

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There are 6 magnets on the rotor all N out, and there are either 6 or 12 coils that are NSNSNS or NSNSNSNSNSNS.

OK, got it, understood, thanks. I tried all possible arrangements with Orbette's generator coils and also settled on one polarity out and alternating gen coil polarities.

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Now imagine if that rotor was a flat plate with a thin rim rising on the outer radius that held the magnets, then you could also put coils on the inside of the rotor rim and use the south polarities as well.

wattsup
Or that the coils were on curved C- cores, like toroids with a gap, and the rotor magnets passed through the gap.

Ah, the 3-d printer is making my machining skills obsolete. Especially when I don't even have my machine tools handy.
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Re: Has anyone seen Lasersabers new motor runs on 1000uf cap
« Reply #100 on: June 03, 2013, 09:36:19 PM »
I am on vacation so it took a bit to get the video,, that and my Linux sound is broken for some reason and I am to lazy to fix it on this laptop,, used another OS.

Interesting talk with Mark.

Right now I am playing with other folks and other ideas :)

If you have lost faith in Mister Wayne Travis and his promises, it would be nice if you simply came out and said so, especially after all the insults and so on that the True Believers dished out so emphatically towards those of us who "told you so".  Travis was claiming years ago that he had a "self running" machine that produced excess usable power. Now.... he isn't even claiming that much any more, is he. Probably because he got a warning from his lawyers, that selling something you don't have isn't exactly kosher.

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Re: Has anyone seen Lasersabers new motor runs on 1000uf cap
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Re: Has anyone seen Lasersabers new motor runs on 1000uf cap
« Reply #101 on: June 04, 2013, 05:34:33 AM »
Putting words where none were typed TK, is not kosher, nor is making inferences when none were implied.
What part of the word "if" do you not understand?
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Wayne's stuff is past what I can help with.
That was true from the very beginning. Wayne's stuff is past anybody's help.
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Insults, mockery and what not came from both sides TK,, that includes you.
If somebody told you that he could light up a light bulb using a piece of moldy cheese, and kept on keeping on telling you that without ever providing any real evidence, and then told you that you were stupid for disbelieving in Cheese Power, while he paid someone else to make a Velveeta Volcano in the back yard ... I think that you would be entirely justified in mocking him, don't you?

At least I provide you with some evidence.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Frp03muquAo

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Re: Has anyone seen Lasersabers new motor runs on 1000uf cap
« Reply #102 on: June 04, 2013, 08:55:38 AM »
you are creative at making videos and stuff like that,, to bad that sarcasm and videos,,

Never mind TK,, your attitude leaves


Now don't go getting all incoherent on me there Webby, it's just a video.

But if you can see that it's silly to claim that Cheese Power is real, because you know a thing or two about cheese and power, in spite of two different measurements that agree ..... then you should be able to understand how silly Mister Wayne's claims of Buoyancy or Tilt-A-Zed power are to me and to some others. The issue of how the effect was produced is moot, you don't need to know how it was done, or see it run for three days, to know that it wasn't Cheese Power lighting up that bulb.





It was the Green Mold.
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Re: Has anyone seen Lasersabers new motor runs on 1000uf cap
« Reply #103 on: June 04, 2013, 10:58:11 AM »
Hi webby 1,
                  please take a bit more care with your messages. I've read reply 106 several
times and still I don't really understand what it means,
                        thank you, John.
                                                 

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Re: Has anyone seen Lasersabers new motor runs on 1000uf cap
« Reply #104 on: June 04, 2013, 03:28:00 PM »
Hey, Webby made a good profit off of Mister Wayne by building his layered demonstration model. But you, Minnie, actually contributed more to the understanding of Travis's system than Webby did with his construction.
By your excellent questions about fluid power and the head pressure and flow rates required to produce a given horsepower at a shaft, you showed that Travis's machines simply cannot do the power output claimed in the footprint claimed, no matter where the power is coming from. Since you need to turn a conventional generator to get electrical power out of a Travis system, it can be treated like a black box and analysed a step at a time going backwards from the generator. The generator is turned by a standard hydraulic motor, moving the black box boundary one more step back. The standard hydraulic motor MUST be supplied with fluid flow and pressure that corresponds to its shaft output, plus a little more to make up losses in the ordinary hydraulic system.
And there is nothing in what Mister Wayne has shown, demonstrated or proposed that can produce the ordinary flow rates and pressures required by the ordinary standard hydraulic motor to make the outputs claimed by Travis, nor any way to get a "self runner" out of his systems.

So Webby gets mad when this is pointed out, becomes irate and incoherent. The next step will probably be the insults and flames. What you will never see, though, is a "selfpowered" tabletop waterpump using a Zed. Oh... wait..... you CAN see one of those.... and we all know where ... on my YT channel.
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