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Author Topic: Finally! Independent Testing Of Rossi's E-Cat Cold Fusion Device. Success?  (Read 65018 times)

Offline profitis

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Re: Finally! Independent Testing Of Rossi's E-Cat Cold Fusion Device. Success?
« Reply #135 on: October 09, 2014, 12:45:46 PM »
Nah @mark E I think those results are very accurate.I think they got a cop of 3.7. I also think they can get much higher cops if they want.

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Re: Finally! Independent Testing Of Rossi's E-Cat Cold Fusion Device. Success?
« Reply #136 on: October 09, 2014, 01:17:53 PM »
Nah @mark E I think those results are very accurate.I think they got a cop of 3.7. I also think they can get much higher cops if they want.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhvD4KuAEmo#t=207


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Re: Finally! Independent Testing Of Rossi's E-Cat Cold Fusion Device. Success?
« Reply #137 on: October 09, 2014, 11:14:28 PM »
What claims ?
There was an almost independent third party test setup for 32 days...., done by academics in the field......

Rossi should participate on overunity forum to realize how clean and independent experimenting looks alike ;-)))))))))))))))

I think it´s the most convincing system and alternate energy supply in the field - maybe only the QEG might beat it.

rgds.
The QEG is a demonstrated low efficiency motor / generator.  Yes, the QEG beats Rossi's fraud. 

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Re: Finally! Independent Testing Of Rossi's E-Cat Cold Fusion Device. Success?
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Re: Finally! Independent Testing Of Rossi's E-Cat Cold Fusion Device. Success?
« Reply #138 on: October 09, 2014, 11:15:04 PM »
Nah @mark E I think those results are very accurate.I think they got a cop of 3.7. I also think they can get much higher cops if they want.
Think what you want and ignore the convection data at your own risk.

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Re: Finally! Independent Testing Of Rossi's E-Cat Cold Fusion Device. Success?
« Reply #139 on: October 10, 2014, 02:32:19 AM »
They did a controll test mark E.you would think that you can feel with your hands near the apparatus the difference between a heater without nukes in it and one with nukes in it.

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Re: Finally! Independent Testing Of Rossi's E-Cat Cold Fusion Device. Success?
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Re: Finally! Independent Testing Of Rossi's E-Cat Cold Fusion Device. Success?
« Reply #140 on: October 10, 2014, 07:31:07 AM »
They did a controll test mark E.you would think that you can feel with your hands near the apparatus the difference between a heater without nukes in it and one with nukes in it.
Their controls were a bad joke.  If one wants to validate that a thermal E N E R G Y measurement is valid, then one conducts unambiguous measurements and compares those results to the proposed measurement method.  They never did that.  Garbage In => Garbage Out.

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Re: Finally! Independent Testing Of Rossi's E-Cat Cold Fusion Device. Success?
« Reply #141 on: October 10, 2014, 07:45:24 AM »
I just need to throw in two reality checks on the E-Cat.

1)  This IS NOT any sort of "Free Energy" device.  It is a "Reactor", possibly operating on some sort of cold fusion, but still a device running from a "Fuel".  That being stated
it would seem to me that the "Overunity" factor is just for indicating how much of the output is from the reaction.  There is no "Magic" involved, just a "Fuel Consumption"
process which is not fully understood.  (Even the testors, with all their information offered no "Theories", just random idle thoughts...)

Thermal output in excess of the electrical input energy is the measure of whether or not the device is generating heat from an internal source, IE the nickel / hydrogen fuel.  Output less than or equal to the electrical input would mean a total fail.
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2)  IMHO it matters not what the COP is!!!  The "Real" question is does it work at all!  Let's be real, OK.  If the unit puts out ANY more heat than what goes in, and the process
alters the "Fuel" in ANY manner that can be shown to be a nuclear operation, then this would be considered a nuclear reactor, right?  That right there is enough to REQUIRE
more research and work to be done.  Doing otherwise would just be ignorant.

See above.  If the COP is less than or equal to 1.0 then the nickel hydrogen is not a fuel source.  Once (assuming that there ever is) there is reliable observation of fuel to energy conversion then one can probe for an explanation.
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Seeing that cold fusion has been known and proven for many years now, this does not seem to be an unlikely mode of operation, but obviously I am not qualified to even
offer an opinion as I have not seen actual data.  (Sorry, but a File and Video and PDF from people that I have not personally met is not proof for me.  Yes, I'm a skeptic.)

I doubt this will go far, as while I am typing this, I am holding a report on the US Navy duplicating and verifying the work of Pons and Fleischmann, which seems to have
been lost to the world.   I purposely saved this, in laminated sheets, dated March 23rd, 1991, because I knew then that such a process would never make it to market.
Say or think what you like, that is the Actual reality involved with certain inventions.  For you doubters, and other skeptics like me, you may flame me all you like, but the
only reason I have this in my hand is I knew then that NO-One would accept it, either then, or now.

The biggest problem for P&F is that even when well funded and equipped by Toyota they could not reproduce their own results.
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Believe what you will.  I wish Rossi all the luck he can have in bringing this to market. 

As for comparing this to a QEG, that is not even funny.  The QEG is obvious fraud.  The E-Cat has never been touted as anything other than what it is.
It would be nice if there were a "this" to bring to market.  Rossi is his own worst enemy.  He has created a vast trail of contradictory claims and failed to ever produce himself or have a third party conduct a credible experiment.  If there is one image that is very telling about Rossi it is him shivering each winter in his long coat next to an ordinary propane heater while his super duper to cheap to meter megaWatt heat generator stands idle only a few meters away.

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Re: Finally! Independent Testing Of Rossi's E-Cat Cold Fusion Device. Success?
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Re: Finally! Independent Testing Of Rossi's E-Cat Cold Fusion Device. Success?
« Reply #142 on: October 10, 2014, 08:22:53 AM »
Uh oh. Looks like somebody forgot to tell the Nobel committee about Rossi's nuclear transmutation without radiation.  Oh well, there is always next year.

But how can he ever get any work done, I wonder, with all the attention from nuclear chemists and military weapons developers around the world who are banging on the doors of his warehouse wanting to take a look?


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Re: Finally! Independent Testing Of Rossi's E-Cat Cold Fusion Device. Success?
« Reply #143 on: October 10, 2014, 09:35:26 AM »
No cigar on this.


 I have no idea why they do thermal imaging given the academic debate and complexities.
Calorimetric anyone?

Lets see, 3.2 cop.....wow lets make some steam, drive a turbine and make it self looped.
That might get the noble prize committees attention.
I will be back in three  years time with "what ever happened to'?


However one good thing is it may generate some further research by scientists, that is always a good thing and Rossi can get a few more free lunches.


Kind Regards
Mark


PS we did get some interesting comments


http://revolution-green.com/e-cat-lenr-test-results-released/




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Re: Finally! Independent Testing Of Rossi's E-Cat Cold Fusion Device. Success?
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Re: Finally! Independent Testing Of Rossi's E-Cat Cold Fusion Device. Success?
« Reply #144 on: October 10, 2014, 10:09:18 AM »
@loner I don't think that you can say with any degree of certainty that physical-chemical-nuclear chain phenomena such as these are not involving laws of physics discrepencies.for example,how can you take nickel/copper alloy (remember celani) and expect to get nuclear disintergration here without traversing certain established laws.


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Re: Finally! Independent Testing Of Rossi's E-Cat Cold Fusion Device. Success?
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Re: Finally! Independent Testing Of Rossi's E-Cat Cold Fusion Device. Success?
« Reply #146 on: October 10, 2014, 10:45:51 AM »
@mark E.as I said before,at least one human being is going to have the brains to shove their hands near the apparatus vs a controll sooner or later while checking the power-meter.at least one human being

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Re: Finally! Independent Testing Of Rossi's E-Cat Cold Fusion Device. Success?
« Reply #147 on: October 10, 2014, 10:59:14 AM »
@mark dansie too many heat losses in a self-loop,rather go with better economics-practicality.with a cop over ten then it might be worthwhile to self-loop.

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Re: Finally! Independent Testing Of Rossi's E-Cat Cold Fusion Device. Success?
« Reply #148 on: October 10, 2014, 11:10:51 AM »
@tinselkoala plenty gammas of low energy(Kev) burst forth DURING reactions(well shielded).if already stable elements undergo disintergration under these circumstances do you think that any radio-active(unstable) daughter products will remain? I don't think so.entropy favours the lowest states.

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Re: Finally! Independent Testing Of Rossi's E-Cat Cold Fusion Device. Success?
« Reply #149 on: October 12, 2014, 08:40:51 PM »
I fail to see why you get excited about this.  Any heat generated by this has
to boil water to make steam.  Then the steam has to turn a High Speed Turbine,
which turns a Transmission.  Then the transmission has to turn a Generator.


Why can't we focus on making something that will Output Electricity
directly without all of that junk.  Examples are the Floyd Sweet unit,
SM's TPU, etc.


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