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Offline MarkE

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Apropos:

Isn't that odd: The Stepanov setup (claiming OU) consists of two transformers and two capacitors, meaning two oscillation frequencies - like a two-stage oscillator.

Now should I believe here in an odd coincidence? ::)
There is a constant parade of people who make false overunity claims.    All real capacitors are lossy.  All real inductors are lossy.  Loss * loss = more loss.

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What convinces me is, that there is proof that science is not interested in any free accessible energy source. That proof is the Finsrud »perpetuum mobile« standing around in a museum in a glass cabinet instead in a scientific laboratory in order to find out its operating principle. Or I'm wrong? Did someone hear anything in the mass media about the Finsrud »perpetuum mobile«? Actually that thing should be on all headlines. Instead it is »hidden« in a museum like some age-old machinery e.g. the first telegraph.

Strange isn't it?
Finsrud has built what amounts to a big clock.  Do you think that wristwatches or grandfather clocks are free energy machines?

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What convinces me is, that there is proof that science is not interested in any free accessible energy source. That proof is the Finsrud »perpetuum mobile« standing around in a museum in a glass cabinet instead in a scientific laboratory in order to find out its operating principle. Or I'm wrong? Did someone hear anything in the mass media about the Finsrud »perpetuum mobile«? Actually that thing should be on all headlines. Instead it is »hidden« in a museum like some age-old machinery e.g. the first telegraph.
Strange isn't it?

Zeit,
Not really, not strange at all,
Finsrud is an amazing gismo, you have to make a differentiation between something that is able to maintain a fine line energy balance .. versus .. something that is able to deliver energy out.
Finsrud is able to balance the "in & out" energies very well due to a well crafted and loss free mechanics. 

If you could put together a motor or device (like Finsrud) that is only able to rotate unassisted, it is still no proof of OU.  It only proofs the perfect balance between energy in & energy out, achievable if you can minimize losses to near zero. 

If you put a motor together that can drive a load, let it be small load but decisively takes it OUT of the realm of perfect balance, you would have the winner.  Even if the device would require an input, it should tilt towards "energy out" in a direction that is decisively more than "energy in".
Most OU projects have problems in this latter instance where measurements can be very deceiving. This problem could be overcome by looping output to input so that no external energy input source is needed.  You can question why Milkovic never demonstrated this loopback, it should have been possible to loopback mechanically, directly or indirectly.

Believe me if you can indisputable demonstrate a device that clearly outputs 1 watt only,  with no input and you are able to put some working theory validation behind it.  You bet, the whole world will be walking your door flat for better & worse !
I don't believe that science or the world is not interested. (sure not interested in fakes which are available in abundance)

Red_Sunset

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There is a constant parade of people who make false overunity claims.    All real capacitors are lossy.  All real inductors are lossy.  Loss * loss = more loss.

Mark,
I would add to this my money purse, this thing is getting more lossy as time goes on
Who cares about overunity energy, an overunity purse would be a better invention
Red_Sunset

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Finsrud is able to balance the "in & out" energies very well due to a well crafted and loss free mechanics. 

I don't think so. Just the rail with the ball running in circles would be the most loss free mechanics. Each additional piece of mechanic creates additional losses. When the ball circles the track 14 days on the complete machine, then just the ball and the rail should make the ball circle the track even longer. There is no part visible on that machine which could store energy for two weeks (like the spring of a clock).

There is a constant parade of people who make false overunity claims.    All real capacitors are lossy.  All real inductors are lossy.  Loss * loss = more loss.

And there is a constant parade of people who make false claims about physics (like comparing pendulums with motor driven vibrators), in order to explain away things, which cannot be explained away.

Finsrud has built what amounts to a big clock.  Do you think that wristwatches or grandfather clocks are free energy machines?

I'm still waiting for an explanation how Milkovic can power nine generator flashlights at once with the power of his little finger. Those statements above do not contribute much to that.

And why do I have the peculiar feeling, that some people here want for all one is worth distract or derail the forums? Are someone here too close to the truth already? 8)

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Mark,
I would add to this my money purse, this thing is getting more lossy as time goes on
Who cares about overunity energy, an overunity purse would be a better invention
Red_Sunset
People keep offering claims of those as well.  Sadly, I am too lazy to make the necessary trip to Amsterdam to collect mine from my good friend the corrupt Nigerian bank official.

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I don't think so. Just the rail with the ball running in circles would be the most loss free mechanics. Each additional piece of mechanic creates additional losses. When the ball circles the track 14 days on the complete machine, then just the ball and the rail should make the ball circle the track even longer. There is no part visible on that machine which could store energy for two weeks (like the spring of a clock).

And there is a constant parade of people who make false claims about physics (like comparing pendulums with motor driven vibrators), in order to explain away things, which cannot be explained away.

I'm still waiting for an explanation how Milkovic can power nine generator flashlights at once with the power of his little finger. Those statements above do not contribute much to that.

And why do I have the peculiar feeling, that some people here want for all one is worth distract or derail the forums? Are someone here too close to the truth already? 8)
The proof for any alleged over unity device is pretty simple:  Make reliable measurements of input and output power, and let the thing run long enough that for its size and weight any energy stored within the device by known means would be exhausted.  When you can show such a thing many will be interested.

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I don't think so. Just the rail with the ball running in circles would be the most loss free mechanics. Each additional piece of mechanic creates additional losses. When the ball circles the track 14 days on the complete machine, then just the ball and the rail should make the ball circle the track even longer. There is no part visible on that machine which could store energy for two weeks (like the spring of a clock).

And there is a constant parade of people who make false claims about physics (like comparing pendulums with motor driven vibrators), in order to explain away things, which cannot be explained away.

I'm still waiting for an explanation how Milkovic can power nine generator flashlights at once with the power of his little finger. Those statements above do not contribute much to that.

And why do I have the peculiar feeling, that some people here want for all one is worth distract or derail the forums? Are someone here too close to the truth already? 8)

Hey mein jungen, that is all I can offer you.
My musings are apparently not getting through to satisfy your gray matter,  that is OK !  No hard feelings.
You will figure it out in due time.

Regards, Red_Sunset

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Take a 30 Kg weight (or heavier) and then throw it over two meters into the air. Do this all two seconds. Can you?

Yes, you can! Without much effort! However you have to use the energy amplifying effect of a pendulum!

One more physics lesson. :)

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The proof for any alleged over unity device is pretty simple:  Make reliable measurements of input and output power, and let the thing run long enough that for its size and weight any energy stored within the device by known means would be exhausted.  When you can show such a thing many will be interested.

Kapanadze has done this with his electric two-stage oscillator multiple times. Scientific conclusion: It has to be all a fake. :(

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No, a pendulum (child on swing) is NOT an "energy amplifier". It stores the energy you put into it by pushing, small increments at the resonant frequency, and can build up large amplitudes representing large amounts of _stored energy_. And it can release that stored energy at a greater rate than it was put in, briefly ... hence it is a _power amplifier_. But it can only release the same amount of energy that was put into it in the first place (minus losses). If you try to take energy out faster than it is being replaced, the amplitude of the swing goes down.

Same with the Milkovic pendulums, which are essentially heavy pendulum energy storage devices. Like flywheels, except oscillating instead of rotating, and hence able to make use of resonant pumping to build up a high degree of energy _storage_. But what comes out is only what was put in, in the first place. It can come out faster than it was put in (power amplification) but there is nothing created, no free lunch, and the pendulum's motion will stop if it is not constantly replenished by those little pushes at its resonant frequency.

No, Kapanadze has never allowed real comprehensive testing of any of his apparatuses. Like some other claimants, he suffers from violation of "conservation of miracles", in that he has too many miraculous devices to be believed. There is only one thing preventing proper evaluation, and full scientific credibility, of his creations, and that is his own attitude. Besides... if he really had anything of significance that actually _worked as claimed_... wouldn't the CIA/KGB/Mossad agents of Big Oil have suppressed him by now?

And the Finsrud machine is a clever work of art, not any kind of self running perpetual motion machine. The longest it has ever run without being "reset" is 14 days. it contains large springs and heavy weights (Look at the center of the mechanism) and runs by an escapement mechanism that extracts a tiny bit of stored energy every time the ball runs around the tilting track, to keep the ball going and the track tilting. It is essentially a clockwork.  That's why it's in an _art museum_ instead of being examined by every engineering graduate student in Europe to find out its "operating principle"... because that principle has been known for hundreds of years: the escapement mechanism slowly metering out stored energy from springs and/or weights.

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Take a 30 Kg weight (or heavier) and then throw it over two meters into the air. Do this all two seconds. Can you?
Yes, you can! Without much effort! However you have to use the energy amplifying effect of a pendulum!
One more physics lesson. :)
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Kapanadze has done this with his electric two-stage oscillator multiple times. Scientific conclusion: It has to be all a fake. :(

Zeit,
You are jumping around like a Bee looking for the sticky stuff.  You can not look at inventions in an perceptive or emotional charged way, and consider that the proof.  Consider the middle age war machine "Trebuchet", an astonishing slingshot,  it must be overunity is a leap of faith even for a believer in the faith.
You need to approach the topic in a more pragmatic and methodical.
Take Kapanadze, don't know too much about it, so I am not the person to make technical comments, but one thing is for sure, if it can do what he says, and with replications abound, devices like this would be spreading like wildfire. No big oil would be able to stop it.  The same for Milkovic. 
Consider also the OU business aspect, that you do not need the real thing !   Money can ALSO be made having a NEAR OVERUNITY project or device,  money can be made on promise & hope, like venture capitalism or in a religious context where the church promises you heaven so long you contribute to the cause. Everybody is happy because everybody is getting their perceived dues and so does the preacher.

Also consider the following underlying essence of OU in the conventional context would be,  the question of " are we able to deceive nature ?"  if yes !, THAT WOULD IMPLY " that nature can be tricked ??".  Stand still and think about that implication for a moment.
If we can trick nature to believe something that isn't exactly reality,  then we are entering the area of the magic and magicians. Chris Angel's territory (not to be confused with his name associate Chris (EMJunkie in "partnered output coils")  who is doing also an illusionist performance in that tread.)

The magic act of circumventing nature is the first step required to enter the OU domain..... Possible ?? who knows, we do search.
Is this forum the area where sane & intelligent people hang out ??? Questionable !

Do your homework, and you might find what you searching for.

Red_Sunset


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Take a 30 Kg weight (or heavier) and then throw it over two meters into the air. Do this all two seconds. Can you?

Yes, you can! Without much effort! However you have to use the energy amplifying effect of a pendulum!

One more physics lesson. :)
Pendula store energy.  They do not amplify it.

Offline Zeitmaschine

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Pendula store energy.  They do not amplify it.

Exactly!

There you have it! The swing is only one oscillator stage. The second one is there but not visible. It is the oscillating force that puts strain on the rack and could even destroy it, if the rack is structurally too weak. Hence, since the pendulum stores the input energy (except losses due to friction) then which energy could eventually cause the destruction of the rack? Hmmm ... ???

And since I'm very patient, I'm still waiting for a scientific explanation of this:

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the question of " are we able to deceive nature ?"  if yes !, THAT WOULD IMPLY " that nature can be tricked ??".

Yes, nature can be tricked! See the use of nuclear power. There is no natural process on Earth that produces energy by merging atomic nuclei. :)

 

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