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Author Topic: BRAZIL - Company is building a Gravity Generator http://www.rarenergia.com.br/  (Read 79204 times)

Offline Red_Sunset

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..................................................... Hmmm ... ???

And since I'm very patient, I'm still waiting for a scientific explanation of this:

Zeit,

As Mark said, this pendulum has been explored in depth on this website in an other tread and on other websites.
I am sure you are going to find there all the explanations you need.

Saying Hmmmm, while sitting & waiting on the wire is not going to get you there, no matter how patient you are !!

Look and you will find !!  Would like to know about your findings after the research.

Red_Sunset

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Offline FatBird

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Brazil started building that MONSTROSITY 2 years ago.
Does anybody have any info or pictures of it running yet?

http://www.rarenergia.com.br/

Can you imagine how many BEARINGS that Wear Out & NEED REPLACING as time marches on?
They Should Have Bought one of Don Smith's units with No Moving Parts.
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Offline MarkE

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Yes, nature can be tricked! See the use of nuclear power. There is no natural process on Earth that produces energy by merging atomic nuclei. :)
All nuclear power plants today operate on fission, and fission does occur naturally on earth.  Fusion does not to the best of our knowledge happen naturally on earth.

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Offline Farmhand

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Usually when a person pushes a child on a swing there is two inputs.

1. The person pushing the child.

2. The child.

Not sure if anyone remembers but a person can swing themselves on a swing, no need for a "pusher". Try using a 30 to 40 Kg weight on a swing and find out if it can
keep swinging or not. Or if the weight will swing itself. hahahahaha

Then get on a swing and see how long you can swing the swing yourself as high as you can. The effects of the energy you expend will eventually manifest itself if you.

Try to get the swing to swing an entire half circle and see how long you can keep that up.

Get real folks this is a joke.

If you swing a weight on a swing that is a pendulum.
If you get a pendulum swinging then leave it then with no wind or other forces on it, it will stop eventually. Gravity and air resistance will cause it to stop.
This is a self evident truth. Try it.

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Offline Zeitmaschine

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All nuclear power plants today operate on fission, and fission does occur naturally on earth.  Fusion does not to the best of our knowledge happen naturally on earth.

Because they try fusion since decades but can't get it useful to work (same as with free energy devices). ;D

As Mark said, this pendulum has been explored in depth on this website in an other tread and on other websites.
I am sure you are going to find there all the explanations you need.

Saying Hmmmm, while sitting & waiting on the wire is not going to get you there, no matter how patient you are !!

Look and you will find !!  Would like to know about your findings after the research.

Here we go!

These are my findings, but I'm afraid they will not please you:

Physics of the Pendulum-Lever Energy System: A Summary of Knowledge

The Secret of Free Energy from the Pendulum

Theory of Gravity Machines

Keys of Understanding Gravity Machines of Veljko Milkovic

Mechanical Feedback Loop Problems and Possible Solutions for the Two-Stage Oscillator

Milkovic's Two Stage Oscillator As a Parametric Oscillator

Wikipedia: »The simple gravity pendulum[4] is an idealized mathematical model of a pendulum.[5][6][7] This is a weight (or bob) on the end of a massless cord suspended from a pivot, without friction. When given an initial push, it will swing back and forth at a constant amplitude. Real pendulums are subject to friction and air drag, so the amplitude of their swings declines.«

That means the force that acts on the pendulum's suspension (due to switching on and off the bob's weight) does not decline the amplitude of the pendulum. Then the conclusion must be, that this force is created by the Earth's gravitational field for free. Maybe Galileo Galilei has overlooked something.

Actually I'm rather interested in an electrical parametric oscillation. Thus, could someone tell me, what is the equivalent of centrifugal force in a LC circuit?

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Offline MarkE

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No a pendulum does not shield anthing from gravity.

Offline Red_Sunset

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No a pendulum does not shield anthing from gravity.

Mark,
You are correct from the standard earthly reference frame.  But I guess, Zeit is looking at it from a different angle.
Zeit's reference I would guess is the blob itself, not the pivot attachment.

Like creating weightless condition in a gravity field, the free fall of an airplane to train astronauts.
The weightless condition of the passengers is in reference to the plane, not to the earth

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Offline Red_Sunset

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These are my findings, but I'm afraid they will not please you:
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Mon Ami, 

Everything pleases me, especially good reading material. I see you are doing your reading too, good news !
I couldn't disagree with the reference material because my relationship with science is only casual. That doesn't mean I still make up my own mind when something doesn't sound right. 

So soon you will confirm that "the bend child swing pivot is equivalent (=) to the vibrator axle deviation for a limited rotation quadrant"

I am happy you are in good hands now.

PS1: Centrifugal force equals tension, this would mean "Voltage" in an electrical equivalent
PS2: I find that the wikipedia reference is somewhat ill defined, I would even venture to say "that it sucks"

Red_Sunset




Offline Zeitmaschine

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So soon you will confirm that "the bend child swing pivot is equivalent (=) to the vibrator axle deviation for a limited rotation quadrant"

At which state loses a vibrator (or part of it) its weight?

I am happy you are in good hands now.

So the readings above are good readings? :D

PS1: Centrifugal force equals tension, this would mean "Voltage" in an electrical equivalent

Interesting, but also confusing. The centrifugal force of a pendulum is strongest when the bob swings through the vertical position (highest velocity).  In a LC circuit the »vertical position« is reached when all energy is stored as magnetic field in the coil, capacitor completely discharged, voltage crosses zero. Then how could centrifugal force mean »voltage« in a LC circuit??

PS2: I find that the wikipedia reference is somewhat ill defined, I would even venture to say "that it sucks"

Even more interesting! 8)

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Offline Red_Sunset

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At which state loses a vibrator (or part of it) its weight?

So the readings above are good readings? :D

Interesting, but also confusing. The centrifugal force of a pendulum is strongest when the bob swings through the vertical position (highest velocity).  In a LC circuit the »vertical position« is reached when all energy is stored as magnetic field in the coil, capacitor completely discharged, voltage crosses zero. Then how could centrifugal force mean »voltage« in a LC circuit??

Even more interesting! 8)

Zeit,  what is the point?   
Your initial question was the "bending swing bar", now you seem to have changed that to "loosing weight on the blob". ....Puzzled
Initially you said, what is the equivalent of "centrifugal force", now you have seem to have changed hat to "velocity".... more puzzled. 
 
Spend some time on this logic flow,  see if they make sense, if not let me know.

1** The highest velocity produces the highest centrifugal force
        Centrifugal force is a reaction to the circular velocity
2** The highest velocity (change) produces the highest induction voltage
       Induced voltage is a reaction to the velocity change (voltage is also named TENSION in certain contexts for good reason)

Red_Sunset

Offline LibreEnergia

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A few things should be self evident..

Machines that attempt to use only gravity as a source of energy dont work.

Milkovic's explanations of what is happening in a 'two stage oscillator' is completely flawed.

The energy to bend the beam in the children's swing comes from absorbing some of the energy of the fall of the pedulumn. The beam stores this energy as strain and return most of the energy to the pendulm as it flexes back.

Any attempt at extracting energy from such devices is pointless.


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Offline Red_Sunset

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A few things should be self evident..

Machines that attempt to use only gravity as a source of energy dont work.

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Any attempt at extracting energy from such devices is pointless.

LibreEnergia,

A few things should be self evident.
Your make a clear representative statement of the status as relating to conservative systems as we know it today.
It is somewhat absolute, over-assumptive, excluding and negative.  On the same level as the ongoing ranting of the 3 musketeers (MarkE, TK, MileHigh), let their explanation be correct, but most of the time, phrased in a un-constructively and terminal way.

I can not believe that you would think there is no backdoor that possibly could be unlocked by a new material discovery, technology invention, a new knowledge, a new science field that would provide a key to unlock that door.

PS: Their is no other disagreement.

Red_Sunset
 

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LibreEnergia,

A few things should be self evident.
Your make a clear representative statement of the status as relating to conservative systems as we know it today.
It is somewhat absolute, over-assumptive, excluding and negative.  On the same level as the ongoing ranting of the 3 musketeers (MarkE, TK, MileHigh), let their explanation be correct, but most of the time, phrased in a un-constructively and terminal way.

I can not believe that you would think there is no backdoor that possibly could be unlocked by a new material discovery, technology invention, a new knowledge, a new science field that would provide a key to unlock that door.

PS: Their is no other disagreement.

Red_Sunset
 
So where is the evidence of the elusive back door?  If one wishes to convince others that there is a pony in that closet, some evidence would be nice.

Offline Zeitmaschine

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Zeit,  what is the point?

Strange things are going on! That's my point and that puzzles me! Because ...

Machines that attempt to use only gravity as a source of energy dont work.

Milkovic's explanations of what is happening in a 'two stage oscillator' is completely flawed.

... when textbooks do not comply with reality, then the usual way of science is to adjust reality to the textbooks (so there is no need to print new ones) instead of doing it vice versa. Such as saying it won't work, when the entire world can clearly see, that it does work indeed.

Another example (slightly off-topic): A crystal-radio can't work without free energy. The amount of energy that it receives by a small antenna (coming from the transmitter miles away) can never create any noticeable sound in an earpiece. This can be calculated clearly (the transmitter would need to have some megawatts of power otherwise).

Hence, how does a LC circuit actually work? Wikipedia: »The parallel LC circuit connected in series with a load will act as band-stop filter having infinite impedance at the resonant frequency of the LC circuit. The parallel LC circuit connected in parallel with a load [crystal-radio] will act as band-pass filter.«

That means, when we tune the crystal-radio's LC circuit to the transmitter's frequency, the LC circuit is in resonance and the LC circuit's impedance is infinite for that frequency, whereas all lower frequencies (received by the antenna) are shorted to ground through the coil and all higher frequencies are shorted to ground through the capacitor (illustration a).

But this implies (illustration b) that removing the LC circuit completely should result in having infinite impedance for ALL received frequencies, thus we should hear all nearby transmitting radio stations at once, but we don't. Why?

Because now we don't have the energy amplifying feature of the LC circuit anymore!?

So, who is willing to adjust this reality in order to comply with the textbooks? :D

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Strange things are going on! That's my point and that puzzles me! Because ...

... when textbooks do not comply with reality, then the usual way of science is to adjust reality to the textbooks (so there is no need to print new ones) instead of doing it vice versa. Such as saying it won't work, when the entire world can clearly see, that it does work indeed.

Another example (slightly off-topic): A crystal-radio can't work without free energy. The amount of energy that it receives by a small antenna (coming from the transmitter miles away) can never create any noticeable sound in an earpiece. This can be calculated clearly (the transmitter would need to have some megawatts of power otherwise).

Hence, how does a LC circuit actually work? Wikipedia: »The parallel LC circuit connected in series with a load will act as band-stop filter having infinite impedance at the resonant frequency of the LC circuit. The parallel LC circuit connected in parallel with a load [crystal-radio] will act as band-pass filter.«

That means, when we tune the crystal-radio's LC circuit to the transmitter's frequency, the LC circuit is in resonance and the LC circuit's impedance is infinite for that frequency, whereas all lower frequencies (received by the antenna) are shorted to ground through the coil and all higher frequencies are shorted to ground through the capacitor (illustration a).

But this implies (illustration b) that removing the LC circuit completely should result in having infinite impedance for ALL received frequencies, thus we should hear all nearby transmitting radio stations at once, but we don't. Why?

Because now we don't have the energy amplifying feature of the LC circuit anymore!?

So, who is willing to adjust this reality in order to comply with the textbooks? :D
This is a fail on so many levels it is difficult to choose where to start.
Broadband energy summed together appears to an indiscriminate receiver as noise.  The tuned filter discriminates energy within a narrow band.  Impinging energy within that band passes on to the output at a small loss.  Crystal radios work because the human ear can detect pressure variations of 1E-9 BAR.  It does not take a lot of power to make sound that is audible in headphones. 

 

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