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2nd "law" violations => Heat to electric energy conversion => Topic started by: DaS Energy on May 06, 2013, 04:10:00 PM

Title: Overunity thermal turbine generator
Post by: DaS Energy on May 06, 2013, 04:10:00 PM
No gas has a better pressure curve than Carbon Dioxide.
Because of its pressure curve it is possible to electricaly heat water for less Kw than the generator outputs. However this not occur at lower heat settings but is most prominant at 100* Celsius.
The workings take into account less calories are required to heat water than to heat gas.
720 watts is produced for each litre of turbine flow per second at 9 bar pressure.
5.2 Kw is required to heat 1 litre of water by 1 degree Celsius in one second.
Water heating is calculated 30*C to 100*C. This contends with CO2 entering at 30*C and exiting at 100*C.
Cooling may be by extended loop or alternatively take advantage CO2 being an excellant Refrigerant and a vacuum chamber engaged by using the turbine shaft boiler fill pump as vacuum pump also.
Lightest construction is by Stainless Steel.
Title: Re: Overunity thermal turbine generator
Post by: DaS Energy on May 29, 2013, 05:49:27 AM
Heating wattage on posting incorrect.

One litre of running water uses 0.076 Kw heating by 1*C  in one minute.

Heating by  1*C in one second uses 4.56kw.

Heating by 100*C in one second uses 456Kw.  Not the posted 320Kw.

Peter
Title: Re: Overunity thermal turbine generator
Post by: markdansie on May 29, 2013, 06:06:06 AM
Well you are correct in many ways and many people have fallen for this trap. The is a recognized COP when you have a phase change of a gas. Like with your average air conditioner they actually calculate a COP of between 3 and 4. When dealing with thermal requirements this is great (hence why i do not get too excited about LENR under COP of 3)
Here is the catch, you cant covert it to mechanical and thus electrical energy efficiently. Sucks but is true.
Hope this helps.......I have seen many companies and even universities get this wrong until they actually tried converting these gains into anything other than thermal.
Kind regards

Title: Re: Overunity thermal turbine generator
Post by: DaS Energy on May 29, 2013, 06:26:17 AM
Hello Markensie,
Thank you for your reply. However my so often standing in front of a gas turbine left me beleiving the liquid in the boiler was phase changing into gas which provides the force to the turbine.
Regards Peter
 
 
Title: Re: Overunity thermal turbine generator
Post by: DaS Energy on June 01, 2013, 09:05:38 AM
Hello again Markensie,
My appologies I have read you wrong. (perhaps too many unqualified putting me right)
You speak of Steam and Gas turbine, and are correct.
I speak to Hydro turbine as CO2 at 100*C behaves as water having 10,000 bar pressure.
Hydro turbines rate into the 90s % efficient. 
Modeling rated on 82% turbine efficiency. 1 litre per second at 9 bar pressure = 720 watts.
Peter
 
Title: Re: Overunity thermal turbine generator
Post by: ingyenenergiagep on June 01, 2013, 02:54:35 PM
1. The power of Sun heats CO2.
2. CO2 pressure pushes the water into water tower(E=m(kg) x 9,81 x h(meter)).
3. You can use the water in water wheel, turbine, etc. U can generate electricity.
Title: Re: Overunity thermal turbine generator
Post by: DaS Energy on June 01, 2013, 03:33:16 PM
You have a gift with words. My greatest failure.
Goes well with ground heat also to -10*C. Critical CO2.
CO2 the the Refrigerant R744. Cooling not a problem.
Peter
Title: Re: Overunity thermal turbine generator
Post by: DaS Energy on June 01, 2013, 03:52:54 PM
One means. Gas over water.
Peter