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Author Topic: Big try at gravity wheel  (Read 635060 times)

Offline mrwayne

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1395 on: April 08, 2014, 02:12:05 PM »
Lying about me over and over won't make the lies true, honest Wayne Travis.

I'd like to see a link to this "doctored photo" claim, for example. The most I've ever done is to add captions, and sometimes I apply certain digital signal processing routines to sharpen, improve contrast or similar in order to make the subject clearer. But it sounds like you are accusing me of faking something.... so I want to see the evidence for your claim.

Just as you cannot support your contentions and claims about your own device, you cannot support your claims about "Al's" device either. If people choose to build something that the builder REPEATEDLY AND FIRMLY told everyone that it was NOT OU IN ANY WAY, DID NOT VIOLATE ANY CONSERVATION LAWS AND IN FACT CONTAINED A POWER STORAGE .... please explain to me how that is fraudulent.

No... never mind, because all of that is irrelevant to the present discussion of YOUR CLAIMS. Rather, explain how you are able to carry on such a fraudulent program of your own, making claims that you cannot support by any real data.
In your own words - I am not lying about you.
Nor am I lying about the scam you pulled on the builders.
Nor an I lying about the extreme attempts you have made to divert and confuse those trying to learn about our working system.
Nor am I lying about your attacks on anyone who did put hands on our system.
Not a scientist, not worth the title.
Yes, smart.. never questioned it.

Offline celsus

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1396 on: April 08, 2014, 02:19:11 PM »
Yeah, I have patents....

Yeah, sure. But you won't tell, right?

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Wayne S Travis
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    0 total patents issued
    1 total patents filed
    Nov 9, 2011 most recent filing
http://www.patentbuddy.com/Inventor/Travis-Wayne-S/16132625

Offline MarkE

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1397 on: April 08, 2014, 03:05:14 PM »
Ohhhh that lesson TK taught me last year - do not claim to have a patent unless you do... or he might sue me for misleading.... I remember his threats.
Yeah, I have patents.... smile....
No Wayne Travis you do not have any patents.  There once was a shameless fraud by the name of John Rohner.  He liked to insist that he had patents when he did not.  Eventually, his false claims of holding patents became one of the listed elements of his fraud by the SEC.  When the SEC is through with John, the DoJ will have their turn.  Prosecution isn't the only way to do in a fraud.  It can be downright ugly what some burned investors do just to see their idea of justice fulfilled.  I recall a story of an entire family of previously successful grifters driven to complete financial and legal ruin after they crossed folks who were perfectly happy to spend the money and time necessary to exact their vision of justice.  But let us not be negative.

Viva! Las Vegas!

Offline MarkE

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1398 on: April 08, 2014, 03:11:26 PM »
In your own words - I am not lying about you.
Oh so you will be kind enough to publish these photographs that you claim TinselKoala doctored?
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Nor am I lying about the scam you pulled on the builders.
Scam, you mean like how you pitch lies to investors claiming free energy that you can't deliver?  I am unaware that TinselKoala has ever solicited funds for anything.
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Nor an I lying about the extreme attempts you have made to divert and confuse those trying to learn about our working system.
You do not have a working free energy machine.  You have useless stage props.  If you have a "working system", it is one that involves defrauding investors.  You may need a little lubricant there "Honest Wayne".  Things seem mighty squeaky.
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Nor am I lying about your attacks on anyone who did put hands on our system.
"Gather round brothers and lay your hands upon the ZED!  The useless see-saw of silliness and nested Russian dolls of ignorance shall lead you to a paradise free of your investment funds!  Come one, come all, leave your cash and cares behind!"
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Not a scientist, not worth the title.
Yes, smart.. never questioned it.

Offline powercat

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1399 on: April 08, 2014, 03:18:27 PM »

Words of SHIT

You are a liar, you promised public verification, anyone can go back and look at the thread, as you can't be bothered to admit your deception I will repos your own words,  remember these are your words not mine

Quote from: mrwayne on May 28, 2012, 03:20:19 PM
I always keep my word, and I tell the truth even when it hurts
Quote from: mrwayne on May 25, 2012, 04:14:10 PM
I promise, you who wish open sourcing will not be disappointed.
Quote from: mrwayne on June 02, 2012, 06:47:33 AM
We will be releasing to scientific journals and presenting the Data professionally, when Marks Group reccomends.
I look forward to the longevity runs as well, Next weekend is when we have the help to set up the new
plc equipment and software.
Quote from: mrwayne on June 10, 2012, 04:40:37 AM
Mark Dansie has assembled the team for our Extended runs - critical review
Quote from: mrwayne on June 24, 2012, 03:40:11 PM
We will run our pre test runs starting Monday - after we are sure we do not have new clogs
- I call Mark and he will come - the 28 is still our goal.
Quote from: mrwayne on June 27, 2012, 05:16:19 AM
Mark will come as soon as I ask - he is ready too.But I have not asked him to come yet, I might after tommorrows Run.
Quote from: mrwayne on June 30, 2012, 02:27:28 PM
We began running pretrial tests - prior to Mark Dansie's return - I had very much hoped to be done by Wednesday.
Quote from: mrwayne on July 27, 2012, 03:02:09 PM
After this Validation testing and presentation - we will be setting down to a coalition of teams
world wide to bring this technology to the world
Quote from: mrwayne on August 13, 2012, 02:55:02 PM
Mark has set his return for the week of the 20th.
Quote from: mrwayne on August 16, 2012, 03:41:48 PM
We are solving current issues for Mark and the rest of the team's next visit
Quote from: mrwayne on August 25, 2012, 02:32:40 PM
No, I am not sharing run Data with aynone, until we have the system ready to be released
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Marks third return was delayed because our "new" system would not charge the accumulator
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I still have not seen the two day demo yet , but I never put a time frame on this.
However as with all things as time carries on the confidence level always diminishes.
Quote from: mrwayne on September 28, 2012, 02:42:16 PM
p.s. our optimized system is over 600% efficient.
Quote from: mrwayne on September 28, 2012, 05:11:26 PM
It will all begin in a short time - the validation is just around the corner - I am relieved and excited.
Quote from: mrwayne on October 1 2012 on his web site
We expect to be finished by the end of the week - assuming all goes semi well (parts delivery)
and we will be ready for the Validation!
Quote from: mrwayne on October 15 2012 on his web site
Of course this means we will run a couple days for ourselves before we turn it over to the validation team
- I have been in clear and constant communication with them.
Quote from: mrwayne on October 29 2012 on his web site
I spoke with Mark this morning regarding time lines, and travel arrangements
- we have selected a prevalidation member to come this weekend
Quote from: mrwayne on November 6 2012 on his web site
Do you feel a sense of urgency in our Development?
Have you waited long enough, are you ready to be done with all of the improvements and obstacles,
are you ready for the internal Validation, and the external validation? Me too.
Quote from: mrwayne on November 11, 2012, 04:07:58 PM
Mark is not a member of the "Final Validation team" - so do not make assumptions - Mark has arranged a completly
independant and extremely qualified Validation team.
Quote from: mrwayne on November 22, 2012, 04:22:19 AM
Yes,And thank you.Mark is a valuable part of our efforts.In Mark and mine's last conversation -
just prior to his heading off on his honeymoon - He has two other stops to make and then we
both hope we are ready for him to return her to Chickasha Oklahoma again. Will we be ready?
Quote from: mrwayne on March 10, 2014, 11:24:14 AM
This is my Final Farewell to O/U.comI am not legally able to show TK my "Suasages" again.It is clear MarkE has only one intention... I did have hope.Wayne

Offline mrwayne

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1400 on: April 08, 2014, 03:26:06 PM »
Lol - you three will do anything to avoid discussing the machine..
p.s. you might find out if patent buddy covers international... just trying to help...
 

Offline powercat

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1401 on: April 08, 2014, 03:30:40 PM »
Lol - you three will do anything to avoid discussing the machine..
p.s. you might find out if patent buddy covers international... just trying to help...

You are a conman and you're not welcome, go and spread your lies somewhere else.

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1402 on: April 08, 2014, 03:53:24 PM »
Lol - you three will do anything to avoid discussing the machine..
p.s. you might find out if patent buddy covers international... just trying to help...
That's a funny thing for YOU to say, honest Wayne Travis, since you will do anything at all to avoid a REAL discussion of "the machine", including lying about me and trying to focus the discussion somewhere, anywhere, else but on you and your claims. You emit page after page of nonsense, when you should be at work, and you don't keep your promises, nor do you ever provide any evidence that backs up your claims.

Are you proud of having a granted patent in some country that doesn't do proper vetting, where anyone can patent anything if they just pay the lawyers a sufficient "fee"? When you have a granted US patent, I'm sure you will let us know. Yawn.

Offline memoryman

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1403 on: April 08, 2014, 03:58:25 PM »
Mr.Travis.
Thank you for replying.
Ultimately, explanations of HOW something works can be done after the something is clearly shown to work.
So, the first question is: when will a public demonstration take place, clearly showing a measurable energy gain of energy over a sufficiently large time? With the investigators having full access for the purpose of ruling out hidden sources of energy.
As to "That assumption also lent to the belief that a black box would be proof - and a closed loop would be proof." What basis do you have for not accepting the assumption? What alternative 'proof' do you have?
You have left undefined terms in you response: when 'cost' is mentioned, what type of cost are you referring to? Monetary, energy, something else?
Using undefined words/terms causes incomplete communication.
BTW, I am quite willing to do a validation of the ZED; whether you consider me qualified is up to you.
I would be willing to sign a NDA, not disclosing or using your process, but have the complete freedom to publicize the test and it's result.
Thank you.
Bill Peiman

Offline minnie

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1404 on: April 08, 2014, 04:14:26 PM »



    Old Travis is on a par with Lou Brits and his "Lutec 2000"
     I can remember an interview with Brits or his partner and
     it was complete and utter rubbish.
         Anyways Travis should get a good nights sleep if he's
      got a patent in Outer Mongolia or somewhere similar.
       They could use a crab mill and feed that energy into
      some ZEDs and be able quadruple (or more) that
      energy and be able to illuminate their tents
                    John.

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1405 on: April 08, 2014, 04:20:50 PM »
Mr. Peiman

Allow me to suggest that you include a heavy Penalty Clause in your contract with honest Wayne Travis. That is, should you, for any reason other than your own failure to appear, NOT be shown what is promised, you should be compensated for wasting your time. Clearly your travel expenses and per diem expenses should be covered, along with a "fine" of sorts for Travis's failure to perform as stated.

It doesn't work today because of a leak, but will be fixed by next week (after you've left)? OK, fine the penalty clause kicks in. It sort of works, like the first Dansie visit, but can't be proven to run itself for two days straight? Fine.... penalty time.

You will find, as I have, that such a clause does wonders for separating the "wheat" from the "chaff" as it were.

Cheers---
The poster known here exclusively as TinselKoala
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Offline mrwayne

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1406 on: April 08, 2014, 04:32:45 PM »
Mr.Travis.
Thank you for replying.
Ultimately, explanations of HOW something works can be done after the something is clearly shown to work.
So, the first question is: when will a public demonstration take place, clearly showing a measurable energy gain of energy over a sufficiently large time? With the investigators having full access for the purpose of ruling out hidden sources of energy.
As to "That assumption also lent to the belief that a black box would be proof - and a closed loop would be proof." What basis do you have for not accepting the assumption? What alternative 'proof' do you have?
You have left undefined terms in you response: when 'cost' is mentioned, what type of cost are you referring to? Monetary, energy, something else?
Using undefined words/terms causes incomplete communication.
BTW, I am quite willing to do a validation of the ZED; whether you consider me qualified is up to you.
I would be willing to sign a NDA, not disclosing or using your process, but have the complete freedom to publicize the test and it's result.
Thank you.
Bill Peiman

Thank You again.

I completely understand; and Yes also language and definition has always been a hindrance.

We will not be publicizing our test results until the Public release of our Manufactured models - which are currently scheduled to roll out in October 2015.

On the other hand, I have had an open door policy - it does require a NDA primarily not to discuss our partners, our process, or improvements, or our business plans.

We are not applying for a OU prize, and we are not soliciting investment. We are building our company and making  international partnerships.

To be clear - the public release is the absolute right of our founder, and part of our roll out - not of speculated ability - but consumer ready systems.

It is not a question of does our system work - here at Zydro.

Regarding what you can share.

Personal opinions are fine. As that has been explained to all visitors.

with that understanding; If your purpose is to understand the discover - You are invited as a guest.

 I will take the time to explain and show, answer questions, and introduce you to one or more of our engineers for more questions.

I will also allow you the hands on opportunity - with our replication models - eye opening....

The Rotary Taz is off limits, but the method of finding interruptions to a conservative process will be shared - it is the most important of our discoveries.

Now: all that being said - Visitors usually pay their own flights - or drive - but for you - I will make this promise:

If you chose to come and learn, and have the freedom to report your opinion: If our system does not prove mathematically - your own math is fine - or ours - I will refund your flight or gas - when you arrive - and at the end you can decide if I kept my word.

P.s. I will pay your hotel regardless for the effort.

One suggestion - it takes on average two days to catch a person up from the basic info shared here.

I know it is not exactly what you desire - it is what is available.

Thanks you again,

You will need to contact Sandy at: mr.wayne@zydroenergy.com to begin the paperwork.

Wayne Travis






Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1407 on: April 08, 2014, 04:36:27 PM »
Make him put it in writing, Mr. Peiman: Just exactly what will be shown, how it proves or demonstrates more energy out than in, when and for how long, and don't forget the penalty clause.

Offline memoryman

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1408 on: April 08, 2014, 05:34:30 PM »
TK, I respect the technical abilities of you, Mark D, MH, Mark E. even with >50 years of electronic experience of my own.
I am also a moderator on revolution-green and am an advocate of 'show me the data'.
Whether Mr. Travis is a scammer or just a misguided believer, I do not know. I still treat him with respect, AND call him on any false/misleading statements.
Mr.Travis, I will reply to you later.
Bill Peiman (ngepro)

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1409 on: April 08, 2014, 09:11:32 PM »
Let's hope he treats you with respect in return.
Real respect, not the conman's feigned kind. Will he answer your direct questions directly, instead of dodging around them like he continues to dodge Minnie's question about the "5 hp unit"? I hope so, but I won't bet on it.