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Author Topic: Big try at gravity wheel  (Read 636719 times)

Offline conradelektro

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1365 on: April 07, 2014, 10:17:24 PM »

You made an incorrect assumption - our "Dates" are not for public display.

Wayne

I have nothing more to say. How can we discuss what we can not see?

Greetings, Conrad

Offline mrwayne

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1366 on: April 07, 2014, 10:18:58 PM »
I have nothing more to say. How can we discuss what we can not see?

Greetings, Conrad
Understood - I showed the ZED - it only helped those that wanted to understand and riled those that would not.
 
Take care

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1367 on: April 07, 2014, 10:54:53 PM »
Thanks for confirming that you have nothing, mrwayne.

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1368 on: April 07, 2014, 11:11:17 PM »
Thanks for confirming that you have nothing, mrwayne.

LOL......

Offline MarkE

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1369 on: April 07, 2014, 11:57:50 PM »
If it seems like confusion... good point to stop and think..
Lets cut the system in half..... just to simplify.
Energy in to stroke
50% of the energy put in to each stroke comes from the previous production (the load lifted by the buoyancy),
Then an additional another 50% energy is put in from the other ZED.
Of course the lift efficiency is very important.... who want to pay $100 dollars for a Bike with one wheel.
p.s. our anomaly; The Zed Efficiency is improved over all other buoyancy devices - we can attain a lift value equal to the total input - easily (but lets just leave the lift value at 100%).
The lift value is "energy in versus energy out" - not force - just to be clear (poor assumptions have been made).
One side of the ZED lifts the load (production) and is equal to the energy put into it "equal" from both sources..Source one is part of the production, source two is the other ZED.
So the best we can have in a perfect world is 100% of the energy we put in-- right??? Of course.
Yes - the potential still in the Buoyancy is still worth 100% of the work we did...
Now - what we have is both the Load (production) and still have all the buoyancy in the system - what should we do with all that stored potential?
If we popped it up as MarkE suggested - that would be an awful loss.. that would be old school buoyancy - let the head pressure out to sink.....
Why not use it to offset the input cost of the other ZED.....gee that could reduce its cost by say 50% and then how much would it cost to stroke that side???
That's right 50%. That would suck if your buoyancy efficiency was 50%
Archimede's accounts for the displaced fluid, did you know that the air under pressure (stored energy) is equal to the cost of water that was "lifted" (stored energy) during the displacement, and the head and both of those are equal to the value of the buoyancy
Properly understood -  buoyancy has three equal values... the buoyancy, the air pressure, and the head pressure (raised water).
It does not matter how you shape the air in buoyancy - it is the same energy, it does not matter how you shape the buoyancy - it is the same energy - but as Red Sunset caught on so quickly...
The Water is a different story...... its value as head pressure is not locked into volume........
Energy can be observed by the "time distance and mass" Our system reduced the mass required - to do the same work of even a hydraulic cylinder - while improving the speed of operation.
Less load in - original work out - and much faster - 11 times faster in our first model....
The bicycle - is the energy flow between the two ZEDs ..... the money is paid and refunded at both ends.
Take care.
TomM showed that in the Travis effect video's many people missed it.
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So how much of the input to either ZED is a external to the system cost.....
How much of the production is reused.... that's right 50%... which leaves 50% for the consumer.
Now - it does take two ZEDs to provide the value of one ZED for free........ That's an ok price to pay...
 
The reason this works......... and all other buoyancy systems did not work....... because by adding the systems together (layers) in a serpentine input system, improved the efficiency of the buoyancy beyond what any one else has ever seen.
Yes adding layers improved the stand alone efficient function of buoyancy.
It was necessary to accomplish that first - other wise - we would have had the same "force" issues that all other buoyancy systems in the past faced.
Solving the right problem is key.
Thanks
Here we have another silly wall of text from the fraud Wayne Travis.  There is no net energy output in excess of the input from any of his contraptions.  Each serpentine is fundamentally lossy.  Using two just increases the loss.

Offline MarkE

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1370 on: April 08, 2014, 12:03:15 AM »
Hello Sir,

First thank you.

Super conservative is the better term than amplification. Amplification does improperly describe or imply an increase.... which we do not do with our ZED system.

Our first system was a "10, 7, to 3 system" - which means Ideal of the system was 10, we re-used 7 to operate the system, and ended with 3 left over (from the 10).

Never any un accounted for energy in the system or coming from the system. a super conservative process which results in the input reduction.

Our out put comes from the difference between the production and the cost of the process.

We have reduced the cost below 20% of the output - so the output is 5 times the size of the cost. But not one bit of output is unaccounted for.

Of course we have optimized those designs and improved that ratio greatly.

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The maturity came with the hard look at why we were feverishly treated, as if we had stolen from some great indisputable author.

We began to understand that it was an assumption by many that a free energy device "must not conform to physics". An assumption that is not correct.

That assumption also lent to the belief that a black box would be proof - and a closed loop would be proof.

Even Data - is ignored if it can not be explained.

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We matured to understand that a black box - did not end the questions - only increased them.

We matured to understand that a closed looped system - did not end the questions - only increased them.

We learned those lessons the hard way - at great personal expense.

Our Data collection system opened our minds.... because we were able to verifiy the MATH - without violating any simple physics.
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We are in the business to provide actual devices - we are well funded, by investors that sought us out.

As to this moment - we are two weeks from having our Alpha model of our Rotary TAZ completed.

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I posted on this web site - for two reasons - support thinkers - and to deny the bullies...


Thank you.
Another post and another pack of bald faced lies from the fraud Wayne Travis.  No contraption that he has ever proposed or built can deliver excess output energy versus input.  It is hilarious that even now Wayne builds his record of shameless scienter.  Some people just don't know any better.

Offline powercat

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1371 on: April 08, 2014, 12:32:03 AM »

You made an incorrect assumption - our "Dates" are not for public display.
Sorry - We shared the ZED - which is "no bull."

Wayne

That's a classic, nearly as good as "I never tell a lie" or "I'm leaving the forum and never coming back" you talk so much shit.

Quote from: mrwayne on May 25, 2012, 04:14:10 PM
I promise, you who wish open sourcing will not be disappointed.

Quote from: mrwayne on September 28, 2012, 05:11:26 PM
It will all begin in a short time - the validation is just around the corner - I am relieved and excited.

Offline mrwayne

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1372 on: April 08, 2014, 12:37:49 AM »
Too hard to follow...... really...
Gee, Here is an idea - Ask some of the people who do "get it"
Just a observation.......you should stop calling them stupid......

Offline mrwayne

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1373 on: April 08, 2014, 12:39:51 AM »
That's a classic, nearly as good as "I never tell a lie" or I'm "leaving the forum and never coming back" you talk so much shit.

Quote from: mrwayne on May 25, 2012, 04:14:10 PM
I promise, you who wish open sourcing will not be disappointed.

Quote from: mrwayne on September 28, 2012, 05:11:26 PM
It will all begin in a short time - the validation is just around the corner - I am relieved and excited.
OOPs... Powercat - you left out.
"Our internal validation was a success!"
You did not care to join our team....Take care

Offline orbut 3000

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1374 on: April 08, 2014, 12:40:59 AM »
The people who 'get it'. Who would that be?

Offline MarkE

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1375 on: April 08, 2014, 03:22:07 AM »
OOPs... Powercat - you left out.
"Our internal validation was a success!"
You did not care to join our team....Take care
All that you have ever validated is that you could defraud your: family, friends, and neighbors with your BS stories.  You had best hope that none of them are prone to violence.

Offline Pirate88179

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1376 on: April 08, 2014, 04:31:05 AM »


Gee, Here is an idea - Ask some of the people who do "get it"


People like Webby?  No offense intended but you, at least several times now, have said that he is one of the one's who "get it".  Now we see that poor Webby is a little confused about basic physics (which is fine as he sometimes appears to want to learn) which does not bode well if you claim he is one of the ones who "get it".  Do you have others in this group that misuse and confuse basic physics terms?  Do the others even understand basic college level physics?  If not, maybe you should not be calling attention to them?

Bill

Offline mrwayne

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1377 on: April 08, 2014, 05:02:08 AM »
People like Webby?  No offense intended but you, at least several times now, have said that he is one of the one's who "get it".  Now we see that poor Webby is a little confused about basic physics (which is fine as he sometimes appears to want to learn) which does not bode well if you claim he is one of the ones who "get it".  Do you have others in this group that misuse and confuse basic physics terms?  Do the others even understand basic college level physics?  If not, maybe you should not be calling attention to them?

Bill
Let me help you understand me a bit..
I will stand behind a builder - who has hands on experience long before someone arrogant and  insulting to other people... just saying....that is what we do in Oklahoma...
What kind of people do you stand up for?

Have a great day.

Offline mrwayne

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1378 on: April 08, 2014, 05:08:47 AM »
All that you have ever validated is that you could defraud your: family, friends, and neighbors with your BS stories.  You had best hope that none of them are prone to violence.
By the way......
How many of my friends and family and neighbors did you talk to?
Come on share your proof of your accusation --..--
Now we know you can not - what does that make you?

Offline MarkE

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1379 on: April 08, 2014, 06:27:03 AM »
Let me help you understand me a bit..
I will stand behind a builder - who has hands on experience long before someone arrogant and  insulting to other people... just saying....that is what we do in Oklahoma...
What kind of people do you stand up for?

Have a great day.
You demonstrate that what you do while you happen to live in Oklahoma is defraud investors.  Who should stand up for you?