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Author Topic: Big try at gravity wheel  (Read 634813 times)

Offline camelherder49

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1320 on: April 04, 2014, 01:32:53 PM »
I understand the official representation of what you are saying concerning gtavitational
potential. If you take what I am about to say with the same respect, then take all the
prior statements that I had made concerning water falling from higher to lower and
completely remove gravity from the conversation, describe what action the water
would take.

Offline Marsing

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1321 on: April 04, 2014, 02:21:38 PM »
Sure... just like there is useful money in a bank.

But how did the money get into the bank in the first place, and what happens when you withdraw it? Or try to withdraw more than you have on deposit?

Very bad analogy,

You choose to forget that you own that bank, there are some who will always and always put their money on your bank,

Offline Marsing

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1322 on: April 04, 2014, 02:33:55 PM »
Not quite.  The energy actually comes from a change in angular momentum.  MarkE did not go down to that level.  Think leap seconds.

There is a certain amount of angular kinetic energy in the solar system.  The planets and the sun are rotating on their axes.  Then the planets in their respective orbits also have momentum also.  Think gravitational sling-shot.

There is even another form of potential energy where you can "fall out" of the solar system and head out into deep space.

Fascinating.

That is always the problem of yours on how you replay, although what you said are true,
the current issue is gravitational effect around you, whether you want to use it or not, it will always there, circling,

You talk about planetary orbital, you only mention a half, you said i can "fall out" into deep space, so, do you know where the end of my journey?, will i find other solar system?, can i make my own solar system?,

Do you know there is also even where you can "fall in" into the single point with other object could hit you and make new form of object,

what else....
this could be endless discussion.
 

Offline Marsing

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1323 on: April 04, 2014, 02:39:39 PM »

sounds good, you have admitted that there is usefull energy from gravity.    ;D

When did I ever say that one could not extract the energy in a change of GPE: once?

Sorry if i made a mistake, now you admitted that one could extract energy in a change of GPE,

Sounds better. ;D ;D

Offline Marsing

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1324 on: April 04, 2014, 03:05:50 PM »
True. But the original question can gravity cause
energy generation is not being answered.
Why is it so hard to admit that gravity causes
water to fall when presented the opportunity.
With the hydrology cycle supplying the energy
it still does not prevent gravity causing the
water to fall.

It's just amazing to watch these sorts of pretzel logic struggles.  The Incobrasa machine like the fraudulent claims of Wayne Travis purports to obtain energy from cyclically lifting and lowering weights.  Because gravity is a conservative field, the harvestable energy lowering those weights in one part of a cycle must be paid back restoring them to their original potential in another part of the cycle yielding no net energy.

There are two choices: harvest once, IE non-cyclically, such as dragging the moon and thus ultimately lowering its orbit, or obtain energy from something else that then provides the GPE to harvest, such as sunlight evaporating sea water.

Agree, grafity cause water to fall, ,
in a case of  water fall, say niagara , we can use its energy without worrying about how to restore to original potential, nature completes the cycle,
in case of Wayne Travis, nature does not, he must care to complete the cycle.

Offline mrwayne

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1325 on: April 04, 2014, 03:19:19 PM »
It's just amazing to watch these sorts of pretzel logic struggles.  The Incobrasa machine like the fraudulent claims of Wayne Travis purports to obtain energy from cyclically lifting and lowering weights.  Because gravity is a conservative field, the harvestable energy lowering those weights in one part of a cycle must be paid back restoring them to their original potential in another part of the cycle yielding no net energy.

There are two choices: harvest once, IE non-cyclically, such as dragging the moon and thus ultimately lowering its orbit, or obtain energy from something else that then provides the GPE to harvest, such as sunlight evaporating sea water.


Agree, grafity cause water to fall, ,
in a case of  water fall, say niagara , we can use its energy without worrying about how to restore to original potential, nature completes the cycle,
in case of Wayne Travis, nature does not, he must care to complete the cycle.

Correct, My system does not require a secondary potential source - such as a Water fall.

Thanks

Offline Marsing

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1326 on: April 04, 2014, 04:22:52 PM »
Correct, My system does not require a secondary potential source - such as a Water fall.

Thanks

Mrwayne,

Those words are not mine, what do you intend to put all in single quote as if those are mine?
btw, i am also correct, you require additional energy to complete the cycle.
now there is a special thread to promote your system mrwayne, it's not wise to do it here also.

Offline mrwayne

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1327 on: April 04, 2014, 04:41:30 PM »
Mrwayne,

Those words are not mine, what do you intend to put all in single quote as if those are mine?
btw, i am also correct, you require additional energy to complete the cycle.
now there is a special thread to promote your system mrwayne, it's not wise to do it here also.

The Quotes are automated....when responding.
I suggest if you do not wish to discuss my machine on this thread - do not bring it up.
Especially do not make assertions that are not true - such as external input required.
 
Thanks.

Offline MarkE

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1328 on: April 04, 2014, 04:48:21 PM »
LOL........Mark you have a personal problem. That is Amazing...

Where did I claim to be lifting and lowering weights. Where have you proven I am a fraud.

Your false statements are the proof of your fraud.
The fraud Wayne Travis speaks.  You are such a shameless huckster you deny your own statements.  Gravity is conservative.  Ergo your claims are false.  Ergo you are a fraud.  QED.

Offline MarkE

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1329 on: April 04, 2014, 04:51:58 PM »
Correct, My system does not require a secondary potential source - such as a Water fall.

Thanks
Your "system" requires an external energy source for all of its energy.  Stealing electricity from the neighbor is not a viable power generation strategy.

Offline Marsing

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1330 on: April 04, 2014, 06:53:59 PM »

The Quotes are automated....when responding.
I suggest if you do not wish to discuss my machine on this thread - do not bring it up.
Especially do not make assertions that are not true - such as external input required.
 
Thanks.

Mrwayne,

I made comparison between nature machine and man made machine which is actually your machine according to prev posts, if it not yours, i won't. 
So if you not require additional energy to complete the cycle,  how can it be ?, half cycle..?
Why don't you say " to complete the cycle, my machine uses energy results of the previous half-cycle",   satisfied....   I don't use this because I have not seen it from your machine.
I have no objections whether you want to discuss here or not,  just think about others who tried to bring it back to the track or want to discuss something else.

Offline mrwayne

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1331 on: April 05, 2014, 05:49:24 AM »
Mrwayne,

I made comparison between nature machine and man made machine which is actually your machine according to prev posts, if it not yours, i won't. 
So if you not require additional energy to complete the cycle,  how can it be ?, half cycle..?
Why don't you say " to complete the cycle, my machine uses energy results of the previous half-cycle",   satisfied....   I don't use this because I have not seen it from your machine.
I have no objections whether you want to discuss here or not,  just think about others who tried to bring it back to the track or want to discuss something else.
Marsing - I went back and looked : My sincere apology for my mistake and I will be more careful - I understand it was not your insults.
Like many of us - I am finding out - it is normal to skip reading as soon as the first ignorant comment.
Again, my apology.
And I hope this thread returns to its original intent as well.
Marsing, before I go - when you asked
"So if you not require additional energy to complete the cycle,  how can it be ?, half cycle..?
Why don't you say " to complete the cycle, my machine uses energy results of the previous half-cycle",   satisfied...."
I am glad you understood that part  :) :) :)
 
Wayne

Offline timaleric

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1332 on: April 05, 2014, 08:28:39 AM »
I READ AS MUCH AS I CAN  /ANYBODY WHO IS ANY BODY KNOW WHAT GOES DOWN COMES BACK WITH LESS
I HAVE A SUPERBALL THAT IS 95% EFF. JUST SAYING

Offline mrwayne

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1333 on: April 05, 2014, 01:11:11 PM »
I READ AS MUCH AS I CAN  /ANYBODY WHO IS ANY BODY KNOW WHAT GOES DOWN COMES BACK WITH LESS
I HAVE A SUPERBALL THAT IS 95% EFF. JUST SAYING

If you are referring to the ZED system - please consider commenting on that thread.
Before I go, if you are responding to the ZED.....
Just call me Nobody lol....

Because Nobody has a Net energy system....lol.
Just having fun back with you.
If you read the right threads - and the whole thing - you would know that the puppets keep trying to say we lift and drop weights..... maybe someone else has that actual thread.

We have a amplification system, that in function reduces the input thru a unique process which reduces the input volume and increases the speed of operation - and redistributes potential energy without consuming it.

Not quite a bouncy ball... ours carries a load and bounces back.
I admit - the diversions here trying to turn our system into a brick - have been awesome.

Thanks again,
Nobody
 

Offline MileHigh

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1334 on: April 05, 2014, 01:16:21 PM »
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We have a amplification system, that in function reduces the input thru a unique process which reduces the input volume and increases the speed of operation - and redistributes potential energy without consuming it.

When are you going to demonstrate it running stand-alone driving a load continuously?

Will you drive a generator hooked up to a big resistive load?

How much continuous 24/7 power will it output?