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Author Topic: Big try at gravity wheel  (Read 635594 times)

Offline MarkE

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1290 on: March 03, 2014, 02:43:36 AM »
MarkE,

So now you are saying that levers do not work as well??

So pressurized fluids interacting with something gives up 1\2 the potential, that is interesting and this is what you keep claiming.


Anything that is stored can loose all of its potential, but that does not mean that it has to,, so keep on inferring that it does because it can.

You have presented a lot of interesting information and techniques.  I am actually finding the journey entertaining in that it is pushing me back to using formulas and considering all of the components within and around a system of interaction.

An apple falls, work is done, when it hits your head,, well that is no fun.
Are you trying to slay men of straw again webby?  How sad for you.  Anytime you like draw up a mechanism and show an analysis of it that gets that "air" from the RH cylinder to the LH cylinder without a lot of loss.


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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1291 on: March 03, 2014, 02:44:57 AM »
I think the whole problem can be solved by making it an impact system using a pressure relief valve.  You have to set the relief valve in such a way that it opens when the cylinder reaches  bottom of the container where pressure is maximum. When pressure relief valve opens,  the air inside the cylinder comes out with tremendous force pushing the cylinder up in opposite direction due to sudden impact. 

Sudden impacts (impulse) can sometimes cause miracles!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relief_valve
That doesn't work either, but you are getting closer.

Offline Marsing

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1292 on: March 03, 2014, 03:08:57 PM »
Right now I am wondering why there is more energy stored within the ZED at the end of sate 3 than there was at the start of state 2.

that is 3.412mj
to       3.963mj

Don't mind me I am just checking your work :)

To be honest looking at stuff like that is impressive, people who can do that stuff are interesting,, to bad all that vitriol goes along with it with you.

I wonder if TK remembers that massive error he made in the first thread,, the fluid is not shared,, I wonder if he can remember that and then go over things with the corrected view,, I doubt it.

webby why you don't  question  state0 and state3,

 stored energy at state0 = 0.000 mJ
 stored energy at state3 = 3.963 mJ
 
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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1293 on: March 03, 2014, 03:10:11 PM »
"Massive"... is that supposed to be some kind of a pun?
You are forgetting something, Webby, and that is that no amount of long distance analysis pro or con, right or wrong, can change the FACT that Travis has no self-running system, he has nothing that DOES IN FACT emit more energy in any form than it takes to operate it, and there is NO self runner in Travis's show or anywhere else. Associated with that is the FACT that it is not up to me to disprove your claims or Travis's. Guess whose responsibility it actually is.
You see, the claimant can _always_ claim that the negative result of the analysts is due to "massive" errors, because the claimant _never_ fully specifies the initial conditions properly.

Offline conradelektro

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1294 on: April 02, 2014, 08:41:23 AM »
This thread has deteriorated into a mrwayne revival and I want to bring it back to topic.

There are a few new texts and images on the web site http://www.rarenergia.com.br/ (at the end of this extremely long page)

We have a small machine for experience and testing in our headquarter at Av.  Pedro
 Ivo,933. The mechanic system was created under a special conception, to pick up  and
 take the energy contained in the planet gravity, at any moment and place,  without
 pollution or heat. Technology was completely  developed by our Company and consists
 in a continuous movement with some extra energy that can be taken, in a  continuous
 and perpetual mechanic movement. This equipment is similar to a combustion  engine,
 where a set of weights represent the fuel and pistons that activate assemblies  connected
 to a crankshaft. Another similar equipment will be built in the U.S.A. at the  Incobrasa
 Industries Ltd plant, a Company of the group, located in Gilman, IL.  Both equipment
 are demonstration models with capacity to generate 30 KW, and will be ready in  the
 middle of the next year. The technique allows the building of great power
generators.

Finally, we would like to affirm that there is  no doubt about the existence of energy in the Earth’s gravity and we can  capture and make use of this energy for any activities we choose, and that does  not oppose laws of thermodynamic or any other scientific principle that we know.

This last sentence is followed by five images (apparently from an old book in Portuguese) which are presented as proof that energy can be extracted from gravity.

May be there are people in this forum who can read (understand) these five pages. I would like to know what sort of proof that is?

The last photo was from February 2014 (Gilman, Illinois).

Greetings,

Conrad

Offline MarkE

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1295 on: April 02, 2014, 12:41:16 PM »
A machine on the scale of Incobrasa's is way too small to be able to capitalize on the tiny changes in gravity experienced at any one point on earth over the course of a day.  When we deal with gravity on earth the net force with only very small variation is towards the center of the earth.  Over very large earthly distances there is a small variation primarily due to the position of the moon relative to the earth.  This affects the tides and there are lots of schemes to try and harvest tidal energy.  This machinery of Incobrasa's is a complete boon doggle.

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1296 on: April 02, 2014, 02:04:19 PM »
Conrad,

I am Brazilian. There is nothing interesting in the text in Portuguese. Just references to thermodynamics laws. Hard to understand what is happening.

Ney

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1297 on: April 02, 2014, 02:30:52 PM »
Conrad,

I am Brazilian. There is nothing interesting in the text in Portuguese. Just references to thermodynamics laws. Hard to understand what is happening.

Ney

@Ney

Thank you for having a look at the strange text.

Well, it soon is the "middle of the year" and we should then see whether the two big machines work. The newspapers in Brazil should carry  such news if there are indeed news.

Whenever I look at the photos of these big machines I wonder about the costs and the strange way of handling this affair. Why not show the "little machine" which they say works?

It still could be a complete hoax, some advertising stunt or a "happening" performed by a performance artist? A nice riddle and interestingly strange.

Greetings, Conrad

Offline nfeijo

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1298 on: April 02, 2014, 05:38:47 PM »
Conrad,

This guy is very, very rich. He has five patents in the USA. He lives in Toscana, what is a proof of good taste. He is a self made man, what proves he is not dumb. I do not believe this has anything to do with scam, propaganda or some way of making money. That is why it is so hard to understand what is going on. I studied carefully the photos and you can see they changed a lot the position of the parts, maybe trying to find a way of making the machine work. All the advertising in the newspapers in Brazil and in the USA will make a failure very ridiculous. Are you far from Gilman ? I tried to visit their place in Porto Alegre but they said they were not accepting visitors, they were too busy.

Greetings,

Ney

Offline Marsing

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1299 on: April 02, 2014, 06:19:45 PM »
hi nfeijo

Other possibilities he try to raise his popularity or other business with this giant, failure could be the small risk, but i still believe gravity can perfom usefull work.  ;)

Offline MarkE

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1300 on: April 03, 2014, 12:05:49 AM »
hi nfeijo

Other possibilities he try to raise his popularity or other business with this giant, failure could be the small risk, but i still believe gravity can perfom usefull work.  ;)
The useful work that can be extracted from gravity here on earth is in tidal power harvesting.  The relative movement of the moon cyclically pulls on the enormous volume and mass of the seas.  Harvesting the tides would only very slightly slow down the rotation of the moon around the earth.

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1301 on: April 03, 2014, 12:52:14 AM »
What exactly causes water to fall over a dam onto a turbine?

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1302 on: April 03, 2014, 02:14:08 AM »
What exactly causes water to fall over a dam onto a turbine?
How exactly did the water get up there in order to be able to fall over a dam onto a turbine?

You aren't starting your problem in the right place. The cycle goes like this: 1. Water is in the ocean. 2. Sun evaporates water. 3. Convection causes clouds and wind. 4. Water vapor is carried up to the mountains by clouds and wind. 5. Rainfall from high clouds in mountains fills up reservoirs. 6. When reservoir is full enough, water falls over the dam onto the turbine. 7. Water runs down the river to the ocean.

Lather rinse repeat.


Now, you are in a position to ask and answer your question: What causes water to fall over the dam onto the turbine? And the answer should be very clear: the energy from the Sun causes the water to fall over the dam onto the turbine, and the energy extracted by the turbine comes from the only energy supply into the hydrologic cycle: THE SUN.




Offline MarkE

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1303 on: April 03, 2014, 02:35:15 AM »
What exactly causes water to fall over a dam onto a turbine?
Sunlight.

Offline MileHigh

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1304 on: April 03, 2014, 02:51:45 AM »
Our Sun creates E = 3.9E+26 joules of energy every second. To balance the books, every second the Sun destroys m = E/c^2 = 4.3E+9 kilograms of mass. This mass loss, equivalent to more than 4 million tons per second, is accomplished by fusing 600 million tons of hydrogen into 596 tons of helium. 

They call me Encyclopedia Brown!