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Author Topic: Big try at gravity wheel  (Read 650480 times)

Offline minnie

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1230 on: February 25, 2014, 07:16:02 PM »



   TinselKoala,
                     Mr. Travis told us in a previous post that he's got a 5hp. machine, why are
   you questioning this?
         Why don't you ask him. Wayne have you got a 5hp self runner, yes/no?
    I guarantee he'll give you an honest answer,
                                                                           John

Offline MarkE

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1231 on: February 25, 2014, 07:26:47 PM »


    TinselKoala and MarkE, you're both sounding rather hostile towards poor
     Mr. Travis
                  John.
Minnie, Wayne Travis can make himself into an international hero by proving his claims.  Unfortunately for Wayne and the world, his claims are false.

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1232 on: February 25, 2014, 08:53:16 PM »


   TinselKoala,
                     Mr. Travis told us in a previous post that he's got a 5hp. machine, why are
   you questioning this?
         Why don't you ask him. Wayne have you got a 5hp self runner, yes/no?
    I guarantee he'll give you an honest answer,
                                                                           John
I'm questioning, or rather challenging that, because he has NEVER provided any evidence that such a machine exists and operates as he claims. As to the "honest answer"... I guarantee he won't. He will emit his usual nonsense. And of course he doesn't have a "self runner" that will continue to run indefinitely.  5HP? he could build two of them and run a small home on the output. Or he could build four and keep his hot tub hot 24-7, plus running the home. So why is he still paying for electricity? I know why, and so do you.

He might have a 5 HP machine... it takes 5 HP to run it, and all it does is slosh back and forth, producing numbers in boxes, and not much else except a large groaning noise. 

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1233 on: February 25, 2014, 09:02:53 PM »
Doesn't anybody wonder at all, just why Travis spends so much time here, reading and posting, if he really has what he claims to have?  A simple demonstration of his claims, made to the engineering grad students and faculty at U of OK in Norman, an hour's drive away from Chickasha, and Travis would be in the short list for a Nobel Prize. If he really had what he claims, that is. But he knows he can't get his leaky, groaning kludge past a real examination from real professionals and academics. Heck, I'd be packing a truck right now if I had even ONE SINGLE PERCENTAGE POINT of OU in any device I ever made. Wouldn't you?


Offline minnie

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1234 on: February 25, 2014, 09:09:29 PM »



  Koala,
          at my house a 5hp machine takes about six and a half hp to run it,
                                           John.

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1235 on: February 25, 2014, 09:55:33 PM »


  Koala,
          at my house a 5hp machine takes about six and a half hp to run it,
                                           John.

Well, heck, all you need to do then is to run the system backwards. How hard is that? Then you'll have your 1.5 hp net. After all, numbers don't lie. Would you like to see my spreadsheet proof?


Offline MarkE

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1236 on: February 26, 2014, 12:19:29 AM »


  Koala,
          at my house a 5hp machine takes about six and a half hp to run it,
                                           John.
Can we make up the difference in volume?

Offline Grimer

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1237 on: February 26, 2014, 07:44:47 AM »
Wayne Travis, there is no free energy to be had cyclically lifting and dropping: rocks, water volumes, air volumes, lollipops or pistachio nuts, or any combination of the above.
I disagree. Wayne may well be deluded or worse but in principle it is possible to harness gravitational energy by dropping things in an intelligent fashion. I have already shown how this can be done with the Keenie. How about some detailed critique of my explanation rather than handwaving and insults.


At least you can't accuse me of a Ponzi scheme.  :)

Offline MarkE

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1238 on: February 26, 2014, 07:52:59 AM »
Mr. Grimer there is a thread set-up so that you can discuss your Keenie device ideas to your heart's content:

http://www.overunity.com/14302/keenie-device/

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1239 on: February 26, 2014, 09:17:35 AM »
 
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I have already shown how this can be done with the Keenie. How about some detailed critique of my explanation rather than handwaving and insults.
No you haven't. How about testing your ideas experimentally for validity before you claim that they are valid? Other people have done so and have found them invalid. No working example of any gravity powered wheel exists, Keenie or any other, and the reason is that it cannot work, and the reasons it cannot work are given in great detail in many engineering textbooks, for example Beer and Johnston, and the same people that are telling you it cannot work are the same people who do do amazing things involving gravity, like landing a robot probe on Titan, for instance. I think that they are much more likely to be correct than you are, Frank.

Sorry, next discussion should take place in the new thread MarkE started for you.

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1240 on: February 27, 2014, 02:47:50 PM »


   TinselKoala,
                     Mr. Travis told us in a previous post that he's got a 5hp. machine, why are
   you questioning this?
         Why don't you ask him. Wayne have you got a 5hp self runner, yes/no?
    I guarantee he'll give you an honest answer,
                                                                           John

I've been going over the two threads that are discussing Travis's claims, and I see that you've asked this question several times. But Travis hasn't deigned to answer you. This was his tactic in the old thread too. After all, if one simply doesn't answer the tough questions, that lets you off the hook from both God and Man.... doesn't it?

Too bad that courts don't usually feel the same way. Oh.. wait.... here in the USA we have something called "taking the Fifth".... our Constitution contains a set of ten amendments referred to as the "Bill of Rights", and the Fifth one says that a person has the right not to incriminate himself.  So you don't have to answer questions that would provide evidence that can convict you of an offense.

I also have noted, not for the first time, that Travis never refers to energy values, he always talks about power. Now I'm quite sure that any of us could design a system that uses, say, one horsepower input and produces 5 horsepower output. Since the _duration_ of the inputs and outputs are never specified.... the issue is trivial. I could use a 1/10 HP water pump to fill up a big reservoir with water, taking days to do it, then drain that reservoir through a turbine and draw off 10 HP easily enough. Or I could use a small motor to spin up a big heavy flywheel, taking my time to do it, then when the flywheel is at speed, it would again be easy to draw off large power levels from it... for a short time. I could even use the flywheel to run a generator that runs the input motor. For a little while.

 Darn, all the precharge must have leaked out and the machine stopped, back to the drawing board, where's that Teflon tape.

Offline MarkE

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1241 on: February 27, 2014, 08:24:17 PM »
Refusing to answer will not get one off in an SEC action.  Reckless disregard for the truth is treated the same way as knowingly making false statements.  If someone says something like:  "We have an $8 billion dollar buy-out offer from Warren Buffet."  Then unless they can substantiate that claim they have a problem.  Saying that they were in line at the All You Can Eat $6.95 Buffet talking to a guy named Warren doesn't cut it.

It is somewhat unfortunate that the SEC is resource constrained.  Most enforcement actions end up with a settlement where the perps pay some fines and sign a pledge not to break the law again.  Mostly the SEC warns investors to stay away from opaque microcap stocks.  Occasionally, the SEC does go after particularly egregious offenders such as they have been pursuing John Rohner and his phony free energy engine claims for just about a year now.  Will the FBI come bursting into Zydro's offices with guns drawn as they did at Inteligentry?  Only time will tell.

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1242 on: February 27, 2014, 10:26:44 PM »
Refusing to answer will not get one off in an SEC action.  Reckless disregard for the truth is treated the same way as knowingly making false statements.  If someone says something like:  "We have an $8 billion dollar buy-out offer from Warren Buffet."  Then unless they can substantiate that claim they have a problem.  Saying that they were in line at the All You Can Eat $6.95 Buffet talking to a guy named Warren doesn't cut it.

It is somewhat unfortunate that the SEC is resource constrained.  Most enforcement actions end up with a settlement where the perps pay some fines and sign a pledge not to break the law again.  Mostly the SEC warns investors to stay away from opaque microcap stocks.  Occasionally, the SEC does go after particularly egregious offenders such as they have been pursuing John Rohner and his phony free energy engine claims for just about a year now.  Will the FBI come bursting into Zydro's offices with guns drawn as they did at Inteligentry?  Only time will tell.

MarkE

 While we wait. Instead of a Big try at gravity wheel. How about a bunch of tries with little wheels. Go to half baked ideas and look up (The Million Hamster Free Energy Solution). You should enjoy it.




Offline MarkE

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1243 on: February 27, 2014, 10:46:06 PM »
MarkE

 While we wait. Instead of a Big try at gravity wheel. How about a bunch of tries with little wheels. Go to half baked ideas and look up (The Million Hamster Free Energy Solution). You should enjoy it.
That's a lot of hamster pellets.

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1244 on: February 27, 2014, 11:19:30 PM »