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Author Topic: Big try at gravity wheel  (Read 719573 times)

tim123

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #540 on: January 24, 2014, 07:15:08 PM »
Quote from: MarkE on January 24, 2014, 06:03:56 PM
On a small scale those effects might be hard to detect, but on a celestial scale they should show up.  It is an important question that continues to vex science.

Hi Mark,
  this is an interesting question... Is it one that still vexes science?

 - "Yes we're vexed"
"Standard experimental techniques exist to determine the propagation speed of forces. When we apply these techniques to gravity, they all yield propagation speeds too great to measure, substantially faster than lightspeed."
http://metaresearch.org/cosmology/speed_of_gravity.asp

 - "No it's sorted":
 "General relativity assumes that gravity propagates at the speed of light, and when a PROPER accounting of forces, times, and positions is made, the end result are predictions that match reality based on this finite propagation speed for gravity. "
http://einstein.stanford.edu/content/relativity/a10662.html

Hmmm...
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Red_Sunset

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #541 on: January 24, 2014, 09:22:40 PM »
Quote from: MarkE on January 24, 2014, 05:55:58 PM
Red_Sunset, you closed your case without offering any evidence that HER's claims are true.  ...........
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4. .................. do I believe that Incobrasa has shown anything ...........................................................
..............................................................................................  I don't see any evidence that they have.

MarkE
Yes & OK !   Thanks.
Red Sunset

PS: My gravity interest curiousity was very much on a earthly scale,  light speed or more is "instantaneous enough" for me.
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tim123

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #542 on: January 24, 2014, 09:39:56 PM »
The thing about the gravity powered machine, is that is just might be possible... I  find the stories of Bessler's wheel to be beleievable, for some reason.

But Incobrasa...? What are they waiting for? Where is the video, the proof, the independant assessment. Anything.

As much as I wish it weren't the case, as time goes by, the more likely it seems to me that it's a rich-man's folly... :(
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MarkE

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #543 on: January 24, 2014, 10:51:17 PM »
Quote from: Red_Sunset on January 24, 2014, 09:22:40 PM
MarkE
Yes & OK !   Thanks.
Red Sunset

PS: My gravity interest curiousity was very much on a earthly scale,  light speed or more is "instantaneous enough" for me.
The speed of light turns out to be painfully slow when navigating channels of copper burrs at current and soon to be released communication rates.  If light would only travel ten or a hundred times faster it would be a lot easier to design printed circuit boards that communicate at high data rates.
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mondrasek

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #544 on: January 25, 2014, 01:06:26 AM »
Quote from: MarkE on January 24, 2014, 10:51:17 PM
The speed of light turns out to be painfully slow when navigating channels of copper burrs at current and soon to be released communication rates.  If light would only travel ten or a hundred times faster it would be a lot easier to design printed circuit boards that communicate at high data rates.

K. ... Whaaaaa?

M.
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orbut 3000

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #545 on: January 25, 2014, 01:26:18 AM »
Quote from: Grimer on January 24, 2014, 08:06:08 AM
I'm sure you can. I'd already reached that conclusion from reading your posts.  :)


Al's reaction puzzled me because I never known him to tell an outright lie. That's
not his style. Whether your dig was spontaneous or prompted is irrelevant. It
came from the same lodge.


Like your outright lie about the whipmag video? You still haven't answered the question.
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MarkE

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #546 on: January 25, 2014, 01:38:21 AM »
Quote from: mondrasek on January 25, 2014, 01:06:26 AM
K. ... Whaaaaa?

M.
When you want to push digital bits through PCB conductors at very fast rates the physical size of things that screw up the signal depends on how fast the signal moves.  The slower that the signal moves the smaller things have to be before they affect the signal in bad ways.  If signals could move much faster than the speed of light, things like the bumpiness of the copper foil would cause much less problems than they do.
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orbut 3000

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #547 on: January 25, 2014, 01:44:38 AM »
What does 'HER' stand for?
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mondrasek

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #548 on: January 25, 2014, 01:52:44 AM »
Quote from: orbut 3000 on January 25, 2014, 01:44:38 AM
What does 'HER' stand for?

Hydro Energy Revolution.
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mondrasek

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #549 on: January 25, 2014, 01:57:13 AM »
Quote from: MarkE on January 25, 2014, 01:38:21 AM
When you want to push digital bits through PCB conductors at very fast rates the physical size of things that screw up the signal depends on how fast the signal moves.  The slower that the signal moves the smaller things have to be before they affect the signal in bad ways.  If signals could move much faster than the speed of light, things like the bumpiness of the copper foil would cause much less problems than they do.

Sure.  Of course.  But I thought you implied that "soon to be released communication rates" would be going faster than the speed of light.

Probably my mistake in reading the prose.  But please clarify that for me because it did make me think WTF for a moment!

BTW, thanks for joining the forum.  I've enjoyed your input quite a bit.

M.
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MarkE

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #550 on: January 25, 2014, 02:03:57 AM »
Quote from: orbut 3000 on January 25, 2014, 01:44:38 AM
What does 'HER' stand for?
HER stands for Hydro Energy Revolution, Wayne Travis's company in Oklahoma who claim to be able to generate unlimited free energy from buoyancy.
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MarkE

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #551 on: January 25, 2014, 02:20:58 AM »
Quote from: mondrasek on January 25, 2014, 01:57:13 AM
Sure.  Of course.  But I thought you implied that "soon to be released communication rates" would be going faster than the speed of light.

Probably my mistake in reading the prose.  But please clarify that for me because it did make me think WTF for a moment!

BTW, thanks for joining the forum.  I've enjoyed your input quite a bit.

M.
As far as we know we are stuck at subluminous speeds and that is one of the things that is making it harder and harder to push bits through printed circuit boards using electrical signals.  The 25/28Gbps generation that is coming in is creating big headaches for many people.  By the time we get to 100Gbps it is going to require some really ingenious thinking to keep from hitting a brick wall.
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orbut 3000

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #552 on: January 25, 2014, 02:22:21 AM »
Quote from: MarkE on January 25, 2014, 02:03:57 AM
HER stands for Hydro Energy Revolution, Wayne Travis's company in Oklahoma who claim to be able to generate unlimited free energy from buoyancy.
Interesting. Their Website looks like it's some kind of a church or cult and they don't sell any products.
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MarkE

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #553 on: January 25, 2014, 02:26:32 AM »
Quote from: orbut 3000 on January 25, 2014, 02:22:21 AM
Interesting. Their Website looks like it's some kind of a church or cult and they don't sell any products.
Wayne Travis acts very much like a tent revivalist.  The whole "Travis Effect" and undescribed principles that investors just have to have faith in could be likened to a cult.
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mondrasek

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #554 on: January 25, 2014, 02:32:06 AM »
Quote from: MarkE on January 25, 2014, 02:20:58 AM
As far as we know we are stuck at subluminous speeds and that is one of the things that is making it harder and harder to push bits through printed circuit boards using electrical signals.  The 25/28Gbps generation that is coming in is creating big headaches for many people.  By the time we get to 100Gbps it is going to require some really ingenious thinking to keep from hitting a brick wall.

This sounds very interesting.  But (of course) I have some questions.  If you can indulge me, you imply that sub luminous speeds are a limiting factor, which I would have to agree with.

So how are the circuit manufactures surmounting the "light speed" barrier?  Have they found a way to have electric currents travel FTL or are they just shortening the circuit path, or what?

FYI, I am not trying to trip you up or anything.  This is extremely interesting to me and I would like to know more about it.

M.
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