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MarkE

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #525 on: January 23, 2014, 05:45:06 PM »
I call him Shawn McCarthy because that's his legal name.
I looked up his birth certificate years ago.
He was born in Birmingham and his birth was registered in Aylesbury.
I've never seen his BC.  He's going by Shaun at the moment.  If the mood or need arises perhaps he will start calling himself by yet another name.

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« Reply #526 on: January 23, 2014, 07:50:50 PM »
Steorn have changed their business from supposedly developing magnet motors to supposedly developing geysers.

Lol. But it's revolutionary technology - heating a block of iron with an induction heater - cutting-edge stuff! Sure to be OU. :)


MarkE

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« Reply #527 on: January 23, 2014, 09:24:15 PM »
Lol. But it's revolutionary technology - heating a block of iron with an induction heater - cutting-edge stuff! Sure to be OU. :)
Steorn do not claim that it is overunity.  Sterling Allan at PESN claims that it is overunity.  Steorn's pitch is that it is more compact to store heat in a chunk of iron at 500C to 900C than storing water at 40C/60C/100C.  They don't seem to think that there are big drawbacks to storing heat for hot water in burning brands.

MarkE

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« Reply #528 on: January 23, 2014, 11:09:40 PM »
MarkE,
I thought that I did that in the most simplest overview format, with the directive for you to do some homework.
Red_Sunset I have done homework including asking HER directly.
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I am going to make it simple for you.
You are putting me into the position of HER, I am not a representative of HER, I have no idea what HER has or is doing in detail. I know nothing about their investment schemes, expected returns, investor relations.  Or how they handle their business, I am quite at a distance. I have never been in Oklahoma state.
At the same time the business execution of a scientific principle does not change the principle. It would be just bad business sense.
If I understand you, you believe that you understand a principle that HER have communicated that allows for their claims to work.  All I have asked is for you to either point to the statement of principle by HER, or in the alternative to describe what you think the principle is.  The furthest that we have gotten is you have made an analogy to a lever with magic properties.
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I got interested in his invention learning about it from the forum.  I was guided by Wayne and the OU forum posts and I understood some of the  inventive property they have, within limits as presented by Wayne on the forum.
 I think that their concept is clever and can do some nice tricks of which OU would be part of (the milking part). I was quite impressed by it but found it too complex (fiddly) to replicate. So I can not say that I tested it (I DID NOT PROOF IT)
Great, so please describe their clever concept as you understand it or just quote their statement of their concept, or just point to where they have said it with better specificity than buried somewhere in the middle of thousands of forum posts.
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You want ot know about HER, then you need to contact Wayne or an associate.OK,
If you want to know the theory , then you need to go to the topic that Wayne (HER) directed. That this requires effort I do understand, I tried to make it simpler for you to provide high level outlines, but that effort was outright rejected.
I am sorry, but there is no external indication that there is a pony in that closet.
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I can not control what you do not see or understand or don’t believe, maybe you are right and I am wrong, I am even ready to accept that,  but you will need to come up with a more precise argument that can stick. General conservation statements will not do. If they would, I wouldn't be here.
If you reject out of hand that which is observed and hold for that which has not been observed then we may well be at an impasse.  Conservation holds for me in the here and now because it has been tested an uncountable number of times without refute.  If someone comes up with compelling evidence of non-conservative behavior then I am happy to give that evidence a fair look.
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As I said, I do not like repeating.

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« Reply #529 on: January 23, 2014, 11:38:39 PM »
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............................. then I am happy to give that evidence a fair look.

Your Honour,

I rest my case !

Go well, keep looking,  Red_Sunset

MarkE

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #530 on: January 24, 2014, 12:32:51 AM »
When one rests their case they close the door on the introduction of any new evidence.  Are you sure that you don't want to point at something that will vindicate HER?

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #531 on: January 24, 2014, 02:30:19 AM »
Tell me Mark. Do you know what's under the cover of "that dark video"? Would you like to know? Aren't you curious?

Because I know.  8) 


Why don't you tell us?  Because you don't know?


(BTW, I can prove that I'm not a sockpuppet)

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #532 on: January 24, 2014, 08:06:08 AM »
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(BTW, I can prove that I'm not a sockpuppet)
I'm sure you can. I'd already reached that conclusion from reading your posts.  :)


Al's reaction puzzled me because I never known him to tell an outright lie. That's
not his style. Whether your dig was spontaneous or prompted is irrelevant. It
came from the same lodge.

minnie

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #533 on: January 24, 2014, 08:48:43 AM »
Hi Grimer,
           I found this question quite fascinating : Does gravity travel at the speed of light?
 Because gravity is so weak it's quite difficult to measure-so they say.
    Have a nice day in Harrow.
                          John.

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #534 on: January 24, 2014, 08:50:01 AM »
When one rests their case they close the door on the introduction of any new evidence.  Are you sure that you don't want to point at something that will vindicate HER? 
MarkE,

As I said, I have no business relationship with HER. I am sure HER is substantial enough to vindicate herself if she feels the urge or need to do so.  Although I don't she why she would need to do that.
Do you base that conclusion on the fact that you waggled your tail ?

Please assimilate:  I do not like to repeat myself or repeat any other person at length when recorded writings are available here or somewhere on the web.
Once you have informed yourself, discussing of specific design or working details is always a separate matter.

So I will not waggle my tail no longer on this HER subject

If you like, we can get back to the topic title, Big gravity wheel - RAR & Renato Ribeiro
  1..  What is your take on this lever system ?
  2..  What do you think Renato is aiming for in his design to warrant the title he has given it ?
  3..  How do you think he could accomplish that?
  4..  Or do you think it is all BS and impossible ? (so he is deluded, frxxx, ....ect as some people already stated)

What is your take?

Red_Sunset

minnie

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #535 on: January 24, 2014, 08:56:53 AM »
Sunset,
        please keep at it, we'll get to the bottom of this one way or another.
                       John.

Red_Sunset

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #536 on: January 24, 2014, 08:57:17 AM »
Hi Grimer,
           I found this question quite fascinating : Does gravity travel at the speed of light?
 Because gravity is so weak it's quite difficult to measure-so they say.       Have a nice day in Harrow.
                          John. 
Hi John,

Just curiosity,  what importance do you see in the speed of gravity ?, What difference could it make if it travels at half versus full light speed for example ?
The gravity source is commonly a progressive force, does not come about instantly or gets switched off at a instant like light.

Red_Sunset

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #537 on: January 24, 2014, 11:06:15 AM »
Hi Grimer,
           I found this question quite fascinating : Does gravity travel at the speed of light?
 Because gravity is so weak it's quite difficult to measure-so they say.
    Have a nice day in Harrow.
                          John.




I agree with Flandern.



"The most amazing thing I (Tom Van Flandern) was taught as a graduate student of celestial mechanics at Yale in the 1960s was that all gravitational interactions between bodies in all dynamical systems had to be taken as instantaneous.


This seemed unacceptable on two counts.


In the first place, it seemed to be a form of action at a distance.


Perhaps no one has so elegantly expressed the objection to such a concept better than Sir Isaac Newton:


 "That one body may act upon another at a distance through a vacuum, without the mediation of any thing else, by and through which their action and force may be conveyed from one to the other, is to me so great an absurdity, that I believe no man who has in philosophical matters a competent faculty of thinking, can ever fall into it.” (See Hoffman, 1983.) But mediation requires propagation, and finite bodies should be incapable of propagation at infinite speeds since that would require infinite energy. So instantaneous gravity seemed to have an element of magic to it'"

I view gravity at the earth's surface a equivalent to a wind blowing steadily downward. A wind which blows straight through materials and only impinges on structures much smaller than the nucleus. Celestial mechanics suggests its speed must be vastly greater than light and has yet to be measured.


Gravity only seems weak because the the amount of matter it is reacting with is infinitesimally small. The pressures on that matter must be gigantic.


I have long believed that materials are held together from without, not from within. I believe this from the experimental evidence you will find on my website.


MarkE

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #538 on: January 24, 2014, 05:55:58 PM »
MarkE,

As I said, I have no business relationship with HER. I am sure HER is substantial enough to vindicate herself if she feels the urge or need to do so.  Although I don't she why she would need to do that.
Do you base that conclusion on the fact that you waggled your tail ?

Please assimilate:  I do not like to repeat myself or repeat any other person at length when recorded writings are available here or somewhere on the web.
Once you have informed yourself, discussing of specific design or working details is always a separate matter.

So I will not waggle my tail no longer on this HER subject

If you like, we can get back to the topic title, Big gravity wheel - RAR & Renato Ribeiro
  1..  What is your take on this lever system ?
  2..  What do you think Renato is aiming for in his design to warrant the title he has given it ?
  3..  How do you think he could accomplish that?
  4..  Or do you think it is all BS and impossible ? (so he is deluded, frxxx, ....ect as some people already stated)

What is your take?

Red_Sunset
Red_Sunset, you closed your case without offering any evidence that HER's claims are true.  If you would like to reopen it and provide evidence, then I am happy to take a fair look.  The "waggling" has all been HER making extraordinary claims without the slightest bit of evidence to support those claims. 

1. The Incobrosa system looks like it will require a high power prime mover to make it cycle.  I have not seen such a prime mover in any of the pictures or diagrams.
2. I don't pretend to be a mind reader.  They have built these machines that they have yet to show can do what they say.  I do not know why.  I don't really care.  I will care a lot if they show what looks like a machine doing something that is seemingly impossible or at least very unusual.
3. What is the "that" which you would like me to comment on whether he can succeed at or not?
4. If you are asking do I believe that Incobrasa has shown anything that suggests they have found a way to build a self-sustaining gravity powered machine, then my answer is:  I don't see any evidence that they have.



MarkE

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #539 on: January 24, 2014, 06:03:56 PM »
Hi John,

Just curiosity,  what importance do you see in the speed of gravity ?, What difference could it make if it travels at half versus full light speed for example ?
The gravity source is commonly a progressive force, does not come about instantly or gets switched off at a instant like light.

Red_Sunset
Red_Sunset how long it takes for the mass and position of one body to impart force on another body's mass affects all motion dynamics associated with gravity.  On a small scale those effects might be hard to detect, but on a celestial scale they should show up.  It is an important question that continues to vex science.