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Red_Sunset

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #510 on: January 23, 2014, 01:15:07 PM »
   Oh dear Sunset,
                         trouble is you're digging to find a gold bar in the most unlikely place.
  Many people have scanned your chosen site with the most up-to-date equipment and
  there's nothing there.
      Do some prospecting of your own, find somewhere that you're in with a chance.
  The laws that are known are quite robust, if they weren't you couldn't count on anything,
   simply, things just wouldn't work.
                            John.
Minnie,

You are quite a philosopher, some wise words spoken !
Idealism is hard to bury.

Red

powercat

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #511 on: January 23, 2014, 02:06:50 PM »
Yet here TK is after all is secret work for propulsion labs and all that R and D work, instead of getting paid big bucks to come up with the nest best thing since sliced bread.

Pot Kettle BLACK there TK.

What a load of garbage that was,, I stated before and I will state again that I did not know that I was going to win anything, nor is money any form of motivation for myself.

So all understand,, I play with things that I find interesting, that may be from someone else or a question I ask myself from observations I have made, then I try and come up with a method to test for it.

I do all of my stuff with things I have lying around or have scavenged.  Seldom will I go and purchase items and when I do I keep those costs down as low as I can.

Unlike some who choose to do nothing but make comments I try and build things,, TK at least builds all sorts of things,, but his choice to belittle people and ideas when he is not able to figure something out or get exactly what he wants when he wants it is not a valid response.

Now, with all the B.S. put aside where is the refutation to what I posted,

http://www.overunity.com/13480/big-try-at-gravity-wheel/msg384387/#msg384387

where is the proof, show me the proof,, show me the sausages,, YOU CAN'T.


Quote from: webby1 on: November 14, 2012, 10:57:19 PM
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use the first set of numbers I posted and use the 2\3 drop for a half full reservoir,, that is clear OU in my opinion.
Your words webby, so there are two conclusions, yourself and Wayne Travis are the only people to have successfully achieved OU in history, and you both have decided not to produce a working model, or have it verified scientifically,

the other conclusion is you are talking BS and the $2000 did influence your measuring capabilities. 

As for trying to make out that if you don't construct anything you shouldn't pass comments, you are mistaken certainly about me, as I have done and shown experiments on this forum, so instead of trying to divert, why don't you just admit that you never did achieve OU ?, But I guess having gotten into bed with a conman and taken his money you feel obliged to stick with the lie.

MarkE

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #512 on: January 23, 2014, 02:20:51 PM »
MarkE
Reading fast with comprehension and understand at the same time shaded context relationships is an art.
The purpose of my post #499 was, "explaining at a high level, the operating principle of that lever"
You wouldn't want me to repeat the detailed workings with pictures of all that Wayne described in his topic line, would you ?
I hate duplication, it is all there, read it and see what he did to overcome the quoted limitation.
Do not be "pre-conceived" where the energy is going to come from.
Milking is the best way to describe it. You take part but you don't kill the cow

Maybe Minnie can help you and teach you the milking part !!

Red_Sunset
Red_Sunset long before I asked you, I like many others asked HER to state any operating principle that would allow for their fantastical free energy buoyancy machine claims.  Their opaque response to all was a bunch of hand waving ending with:  "Travis Effect".  Sadly, as we see in their videos, HER / HER's representative Tom fails to demonstrate anything other than misrepresentation of Archimedes' Principle.  Perhaps the real "Travis Effect" is how one can use fantastical claims to create a psychological force powerful enough to lift money right out of some investors' wallets.  I have asked you to state what principle would allow for HER's claims to be true and you offered by way of analogy a magic lever with fantastical COE violating properties.

Fantastical seems to be the operating theme with HER.  HER's claims of free energy from any device are on their face fantastical.  HER's claims that they have discovered a buoyancy effect distinct from Archimedes' Principal are fantastical.  HER's claims that buoyancy can be manipulated to yield net energy cycle to cycle lifting and dropping the same mass are fantastical.  HER's repeated claims that they would subject a working machine to a run down test have proven themselves false.  What HER have not done, and what no supporter of HER have ever done is state any principle nor demonstrate any machine that backs up HER's fantastical claims.

You insist that buried somewhere among thousands and thousands of posts there is a Ronald Reagan style pony that states an actual real principle that allows for HER's fantastical claims.  Great:  By all means go dig through those posts to your heart's content.  If you should ever find that pony in the form of a principle that allows for HER's claims without resorting to magic, then I will be happy to read it and discuss it.

minnie

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #513 on: January 23, 2014, 03:32:47 PM »



  Sunset,
            so the poor man starved to death. You can't live on gold either.
 You made me realise how lucky I am!
I've got wood to burn,
Milk
Eggs
Meat
Wool
Water from a spring
Oats
And where does this all come from......the sun
That should give you a clue.
Were I to clad my roofs with pv. I'd have juice a plenty
One big snag I can't store that energy .
          John

powercat

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #514 on: January 23, 2014, 03:45:09 PM »
@ webby

1,Did you achieve OU ?

2,Did you think you did at the time and now have changed your mind ?

3,you don't know what you achieved but you believe in Wayne Travis so you went along with it ?

Simple yes or no answer would help clear things up, but the likelihood is that you will give a vague response that doesn't commit  you.


Joined this forum in the hope of discovering OU one day, and whenever I see somebody claiming they have achieved this or know how it works myself and others who are interested in the subject will pursue them and demand evidence of what they claim.
and that is not going to change despite how many vague and misleading excuses they come up with.

minnie

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #515 on: January 23, 2014, 03:49:41 PM »



Yes Powercat I fully agree.
When I've perfected my flow battery everyone can have it for free.
            John.

Red_Sunset

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #516 on: January 23, 2014, 03:58:06 PM »
Red_Sunset long before I asked you, I like many others asked HER to state any operating principle that would allow for their fantastical free energy buoyancy machine claims.  ...   
MarkE,
I thought that I did that in the most simplest overview format, with the directive for you to do some homework.
I am going to make it simple for you.
You are putting me into the position of HER, I am not a representative of HER, I have no idea what HER has or is doing in detail. I know nothing about their investment schemes, expected returns, investor relations.  Or how they handle their business, I am quite at a distance. I have never been in Oklahoma state.
At the same time the business execution of a scientific principle does not change the principle. It would be just bad business sense.

I got interested in his invention learning about it from the forum.  I was guided by Wayne and the OU forum posts and I understood some of the  inventive property they have, within limits as presented by Wayne on the forum.
 I think that their concept is clever and can do some nice tricks of which OU would be part of (the milking part). I was quite impressed by it but found it too complex (fiddly) to replicate. So I can not say that I tested it (I DID NOT PROOF IT)

You want ot know about HER, then you need to contact Wayne or an associate.OK,
If you want to know the theory , then you need to go to the topic that Wayne (HER) directed. That this requires effort I do understand, I tried to make it simpler for you to provide high level outlines, but that effort was outright rejected.

I can not control what you do not see or understand or don’t believe, maybe you are right and I am wrong, I am even ready to accept that,  but you will need to come up with a more precise argument that can stick. General conservation statements will not do. If they would, I wouldn't be here.

As I said, I do not like repeating.

Red_Sunset

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #517 on: January 23, 2014, 04:09:54 PM »
  Sunset,
            so the poor man starved to death. You can't live on gold either.
 You made me realise how lucky I am!
.................................................         John

Lucky you are John, for the mere fact that you are satisfied with what you  have. That is key.

Have a look at this farm, located in the middle of nowhere, in the Australian desert with only brak salty water, and running completely on solar. A fully integrated solution from a fluid heating solar collector.

Sun drop farms http://www.sundropfarms.com/

There are also contracted to build a similar setup in Qatar I believe and some other around there

Red_Sunset

TinselKoala

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #518 on: January 23, 2014, 04:44:47 PM »
So it's just a matter of definition then? Your "OU" may not be what other people think of as "OU"? Well, at least that is consistent with Travis's story, where he repeatedly confuses force with energy and apparently believes simple and compound levers are "OU".

Webby.... pot kettle black ... at one time it was specifically part of my "job description" to read the newspapers. You have no clue as to the things I may or may not be working on in the "background", just as I don't know or care much about your hobbies. But _you_ are the one claiming OU from your experiences with Travis, yet here you are. I am here now, just as I have always been, seeking kernels of wheat amongst all the useless chaff. So far there's not enough to make a decent tortilla, much less a full loaf of nourishing bread. Why are you here, since you think you've already found the motherlode of the wheat?

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #519 on: January 23, 2014, 04:45:09 PM »

...


Frank.... your classic paranoia is showing.


I suggest upping your Haldol to 10 mg p.o. BID, to suppress the delusional thinking you have been exhibiting lately.




You have no evidence for your silly claim that I have "sock puppets" or any other accounts on this forum. You have, however, been presenting solid evidence for your mental illness, over the past several weeks.


Going to tough it out, eh Al.  ;D
Like CEO, Shawn McCarthy did with the Big Engine. Remember that one?


I was a bit suspicious when Orbut turned up out of the blue but when he referred to Greek atmospheres I knew it must be you. Which is why I asked him if he'd taken his meds - one of your favourite insults to me.


Then it occured to me that you might have been stupid enough to register the Orbut membership at the same time as your own.


Bingo! Same year, same month, same week, same time of the day.


I see you've upped my prescription, Dr Jekyll. Normally it's just, "Have you taken your meds." But now we've got "Haldol to 10 mg p.o. BID" whatever that is. I'll have to ask my son, he's a pharmacist at the John Hunter.


For those members who are unfamiliar with the early days of the Steorn forum (see attachment below for their full page advert in the Economist Magazine) the CEO, Shawn, claimed that they had a "big engine" running on their magnetic energy. When someone pressed him for details of its power he eventually gave a figure of 550 bhp.


I called him a liar and was immediately jumped on by all his fan boys. They asked me how I knew. I said that someone with a foreign accent had told me. That really worried Shawn as they had a couple of east europeans on the staff and he thought they might have given the game away. Big investigation.


Some months later when Shawn eventually admitted that there was no "big engine" people asked me who the person with the foreign accent was.


I said it was Shawn himself when he claimed a value of 550 bhp for his big engine. As all engineers know, 550 bhp is equivalent to one horse power. It was clear that under pressure Shawn had just plucked the first bhp he could remember out of thin air.


Asked how I could justify saying that my informant had a foreign accent I pointed out that since the twenties Ireland has been an independent nation and that Shawn had a strong Irish accent.


Love and kisses to all three of you  :-* :-* :-*


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TinselKoala

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #520 on: January 23, 2014, 04:51:06 PM »
You are slipping, Frankie boy. You need more than some perceived coincidence of dates or the fact that sometimes two people agree that you are FOS. I can prowl through the records until I find someone as silly as you, who registered on the same date. Therefore you are he, QED, right? Idiot.

I'll wager a thousand US dollars that neither you nor anyone else can PROVE your silly contention that I am "orbutt" or that I have any other accounts on this forum than this one. Come on, let's see what you've got, paranoid troll.






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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #521 on: January 23, 2014, 04:55:53 PM »
You are slipping, Frankie boy. You need more than some perceived coincidence of dates or the fact that sometimes two people agree that you are FOS. I can prowl through the records until I find someone as silly as you, who registered on the same date. Therefore you are he, QED, right? Idiot.

I'll wager a thousand US dollars that neither you nor anyone else can PROVE your silly contention that I am "orbutt" or that I have any other accounts on this forum than this one. Come on, let's see what you've got, paranoid troll.
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TinselKoala

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #522 on: January 23, 2014, 04:58:21 PM »
:-* :-* :-*

In real words.... YOU HAVE NOTHING but your delusions.

That gets a ROFL for sure.

MarkE

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #523 on: January 23, 2014, 05:21:14 PM »
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As all engineers know, 550 bhp is equivalent to one horse power.
Grimer, I hope you meant to say:  "bhp is engine output power in hp as measured under a particular set of test conditions at a dynamometer brake."  Otherwise you are off by 550:1.

The CEO of Steorn you call Shawn McCarthy used to call himself Sean McCarthy, but now calls himself Shaun McCarthy.  Steorn have changed their business from supposedly developing magnet motors to supposedly developing geysers.

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #524 on: January 23, 2014, 05:31:18 PM »
Grimer, I hope you meant to say:  "bhp is engine output power in hp as measured under a particular set of test conditions at a dynamometer brake."  Otherwise you are off by 550:1.

The CEO of Steorn you call Shawn McCarthy used to call himself Sean McCarthy, but now calls himself Shaun McCarthy.  Steorn have changed their business from supposedly developing magnet motors to supposedly developing geysers.
I call him Shawn McCarthy because that's his legal name.
I looked up his birth certificate years ago.
He was born in Birmingham and his birth was registered in Aylesbury.