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Grimer

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #480 on: January 22, 2014, 11:37:07 PM »
Grimer what facts lead you to the conclusion that anyone has ever built a working permanent magnet powered motor?  That dark video that you linked just shows a motor.  What proves that it or any other machine ever constituted a working "magnetic motor"?
Tell me Mark. Do you know what's under the cover of "that dark video"? Would you like to know? Aren't you curious?


Because I know.  8) 


(of course if you're a sock puppet then you do know already  ;D

Edit: He's around chaps - coz he's just posted. Let's see if he answers.



2nd Edit: Well it's beddy byes time here in England - So Mark's got all night to think about a clever answer.

MarkE

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #481 on: January 23, 2014, 12:41:32 AM »
MarkE .. IIRC, HER is claiming to have found 'efficiency differences' between the upstroke & downstroke cycles, leading to a COP > 1, IINM.

This descriptive is interesting in itself, as they acknowledge that there is no OU, but that the ordinary system energy losses can be mitigated by different technology use at certain stages - and the combined result is excess useable mechanical output energy greater than the input energy.

How this is not COP > 1 I am not sure.

They were also adamant IIRC that environmental heat energy [or air pressure, for example] did not enter or leave the closed system as part of the Carnot Cycle re: adiabatic warming & isothermal cooling legs, etc.

FWIW my impression at the time was that the technology wasn't claimed to be OU or PM or contravene the known Laws of Physics - yet could somehow output more energy than input energy required, but didn't use any environmental energy input to supplement conservative gravity - perhaps my recollection has faded over the lapsed time period [I know my interest has] so don't take it as gospel.
Fletcher,  if presented with a black box that supplies energy there are two options:

1) The energy supply from the box is finite, limited to the potential energy stored within the box.
2) The box conveys energy beyond potential stored within it from an external source.

Storing energy in buoyancy is tantamount to storing energy in the lifted height of the working fluid.  That energy density is really low.  A fairly massive 5m * 5m * 5m machine can only cycle about 4kWh pushing water around.  If compressed air is used, then cycling between 1 bar and bicycle tire pressure of 100psi would best that by about 8X.

Given no statement of working principle, all credibility rests on the testing by an independent party like Mark Dansie.  Those tests just keep getting indefinitely postponed.

MarkE

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #482 on: January 23, 2014, 12:46:18 AM »
Tell me Mark. Do you know what's under the cover of "that dark video"? Would you like to know? Aren't you curious?


Because I know.  8) 


(of course if you're a sock puppet then you do know already  ;D

Edit: He's around chaps - coz he's just posted. Let's see if he answers.



2nd Edit: Well it's beddy byes time here in England - So Mark's got all night to think about a clever answer.
The video shows a motor. 

If you want to argue that there is something special about the motor in that video, then by all means present your argument and supporting evidence.

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #483 on: January 23, 2014, 01:03:16 AM »
As far as I know. There are no videos of the machine being tested for any smaller test units either. The only way I can see this thing working is if someone figured out the secrets of Coral Castle. Maybe that is what is in the black box.

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #484 on: January 23, 2014, 02:09:00 AM »
Fletcher,  if presented with a black box that supplies energy there are two options:

1) The energy supply from the box is finite, limited to the potential energy stored within the box.
2) The box conveys energy beyond potential stored within it from an external source.

.. snip ..

Given no statement of working principle, all credibility rests on the testing by an independent party like Mark Dansie.  Those tests just keep getting indefinitely postponed.

Yes, 'preaching to the converted' I'm afraid, & one who uses the same arguments ;7)

Failing options 1) & 2) it seems to only leave that gravity is not a conservative force [see your independent testing required comments].

My recollections were to draw attention to a very apparent red flag contradiction - how can a machine, no matter how smartly arranged or contrived to reduce energy losses to a bare minimum , that doesn't consume fuel or use an environmental effect, but does exist it a gravity environment, output surplus energy over requirements to run itself ?

Yet, this same machine doesn't break any Laws of Physics [Archimedes Law of Levers; CoE; CoM; CoAM; Laws of Thermodynamics] which also surmise that gravity is a field of acceleration resulting in a conservative force - if gravity force is not conservative then it is very likely that the Laws of Physics need a rethink & rewrite, so it seems impossible to have one without the other - but IIRC that was not their position - perhaps the task of stitching it all together coherently is very problematic & above most pay grades - see independent verification required, before unleashing the math hounds ;7)


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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #485 on: January 23, 2014, 02:50:27 AM »

Because I know.  8) 



Please tell us. Is there a greek letter atmosphere hidden under the workbench? The kind only you can see?

MarkE

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #486 on: January 23, 2014, 03:31:22 AM »
Yes, 'preaching to the converted' I'm afraid, & one who uses the same arguments ;7)

Failing options 1) & 2) it seems to only leave that gravity is not a conservative force [see your independent testing required comments].

My recollections were to draw attention to a very apparent red flag contradiction - how can a machine, no matter how smartly arranged or contrived to reduce energy losses to a bare minimum , that doesn't consume fuel or use an environmental effect, but does exist it a gravity environment, output surplus energy over requirements to run itself ?

Yet, this same machine doesn't break any Laws of Physics [Archimedes Law of Levers; CoE; CoM; CoAM; Laws of Thermodynamics] which also surmise that gravity is a field of acceleration resulting in a conservative force - if gravity force is not conservative then it is very likely that the Laws of Physics need a rethink & rewrite, so it seems impossible to have one without the other - but IIRC that was not their position - perhaps the task of stitching it all together coherently is very problematic & above most pay grades - see independent verification required, before unleashing the math hounds ;7)
The answer is that such a machine can output energy until it exhausts its internal store.  Gravitational stores on earth aren't very energy dense.

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #487 on: January 23, 2014, 03:32:36 AM »

Please tell us. Is there a greek letter atmosphere hidden under the workbench? The kind only you can see?
What pray tell is a "Greek letter atmosphere"?

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #488 on: January 23, 2014, 03:58:07 AM »
What pray tell is a "Greek letter atmosphere"?


I don't know. Ask Grimer. He knows.

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #489 on: January 23, 2014, 04:04:22 AM »
The answer is that such a machine can output energy until it exhausts its internal store.  Gravitational stores on earth aren't very energy dense.

Weight driven clocks still need their potential replenished.

And so the argument circles back to whether gravity is or is not conservative, being or not being path independent.

If a machine can ever be demonstrated to be self sustaining & do external work [over & above internal losses], where gravity alone is the prime mover [including buoyancy devices], then it would indeed be miraculous - at least for a while - until new & accepted theories supplant the old Laws.

HER & RAR have worked the crowd - so far that is as far as the story for public consumption goes.

MarkE

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #490 on: January 23, 2014, 04:30:57 AM »

I don't know. Ask Grimer. He knows.
That sounds like another imaginary construct of his.

Grimer

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #491 on: January 23, 2014, 06:54:18 AM »
The video shows a motor. 
Wriggle, wriggle.  ;D


I guessed you wouldn't answer the question, Mark.


The video shows nothing of the kind.


The videos shows an inverted dinner plate type disc going round.
For all anyone knows it could be the white mice equivalent of a hamster wheel.


For someone interested in science you are amazingly disinterested in what
lies inside the WhipMag. But that's because you already know don't you.


You are a highfalutin  fraud, Mark. But as my Indonesian comrade pointed out
your presentation is too elegant for you to be a TalK sockpuppet.
So I can rule that one out.


Maybe you're his employer.  ???




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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #492 on: January 23, 2014, 07:01:05 AM »

Please tell us. Is there a greek letter atmosphere hidden under the workbench? The kind only you can see?


Have you taken your meds, Orbut. I think that red herring must be upsetting your stomach.  :(

Grimer

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #493 on: January 23, 2014, 07:06:35 AM »
That sounds like another imaginary construct of his.
I think you and Orbut should ask each other for a date.


Or take to the stage as a double act.  ;D

Grimer

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #494 on: January 23, 2014, 07:56:36 AM »

I say, look at this chaps.


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Really TalK, I'm surprised at you.


You should be more careful when you're
registering your sleeper agents to give
them a better legend than that.


Didn't your mummy ever tell you that
its OK to smoke those cigarettes but
you should never inhale.


Greek atmosphere LOL - wonderful.


You must be really desperate to steer
the thread away from the WhipMag.


Now your stupidity has lost you one
of your deep cover agents.