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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #210 on: January 03, 2014, 01:31:41 PM »
Faith alone never moved any mountains. It takes good works to move mountains. You haven't turned Protestant on me have you?



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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #211 on: January 03, 2014, 01:41:52 PM »
My 57 grandchildren are my good works.  8)

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #212 on: January 03, 2014, 01:47:56 PM »
And now I must go and play with 3 of them. Edwin, George and Joanna.


Only a few days of their holiday left.

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« Reply #212 on: January 03, 2014, 01:47:56 PM »
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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #213 on: January 11, 2014, 06:42:19 PM »
I've finally managed to sort out what is going in the Keenie and the RAR. [/size] 8)

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #214 on: January 11, 2014, 09:53:20 PM »
But... but.... if there is no motion, either inside or outside, then there is no work. Nobody has seen the RAR device move at all; we've just seen stuff added to it, in almost a fractal manner. I expect to see little feathery appendages out on the very tips of the arms pretty soon.
And we know what we know about the Keenie device.... well, let's just politely say "through hearsay only" and rule it inadmissible as evidence.

As to work done "inside" and "outside" a system... I'd like you to define your terms, please. In my way of thinking, if something does work on something else, both things belong to the same "system".

I know you believe that gravitational motors are possible. But can you clear up one thing for me please: Do you believe in Conservation of Momentum?

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #215 on: January 11, 2014, 09:59:07 PM »
What momentum are you talking about? First derivative, second, third, fourth....nth?


This is something I posted in Fizzx some years ago:


"The the two conservation laws, momentum and kinetic (2nd derv) energy, are simply the same law at different levels.


Using a multi-storey building as an analogy the we see the conservation of momentum when we are on the same floor, the 10th say, as the action taking place. It is a conservation between batches. When the action takes place on the 9th floor we see it as a conservation of energy because we have not changed our viewpoint. If we move to the 9th floor and thus change our viewpoint to within batches then we see that the conservation of energy is simply a conservation of momentum within batches.


The floor below that, the 8th floor, is the jerk floor. If we move to it we will see the within component variance as momentum which is conserved. However, seen from the 10th floor it is the conservation of Jerk. Jerk has to be conserved because it is only the momentum lamb in wolf's clothing. "


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« Reply #216 on: January 11, 2014, 10:44:35 PM »
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And we know what we know about the Keenie device.... well, let's just politely say "through hearsay only" and rule it inadmissible as evidence.
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That's not so.


We know it through written testimony as we know about the Bessler wheel through written testimony, an awful lot of written testimony as you will find if you read John's book.


But you will probably dismiss it as myth. You probably dismiss the whole of the new and old testament as myth too. You should have been named Didymus.

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #217 on: January 11, 2014, 10:52:47 PM »
But... but.... if there is no motion, either inside or outside, then there is no work. Nobody has seen the RAR device move at all;
That's not true. There are reports of people seeing it. But you won't believe it moves till your feet are crushed by those outboard weights.


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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #218 on: January 11, 2014, 11:32:26 PM »

This is something else I posted on Fizzx which is appropriate here:




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The conservation of Jerk is simply D'Alembert's Principle of Least Action applied to the third derivative of position with respect to time as opposed to the second.


Force, Jerk, Snap, Crackle and Pop are simple convenient names applied to higher and higher derivatives of position with respect to time.


It is the derivatives that are important, not the names.


It is clear that D'Alembert's principle of Least Action applies to all these derivatives, all these actions, not simply the second. It not only applies to the action of Force (i.e. 2nd derv). It also applies to the actions of Jerk, Snap, Crackle, Pop and higher actions.


It also explains something which has been bugging me since the sixties. The ubiquity of power laws in material science.


I could see that these laws must be the ratio of large integrals but could not understand why the constants of integration disappeared at each step. In the light of D'Alembert's principle of Least Action it is clear that the quasi-Fluid (phase in tension) and quasi-Solid (phase in compression) components of a material which have vast numbers of independent particles are simple exhibiting D'Alembert's Principle of Least Action, a principle which applies to all actions, not simply force.


So more specifically we have:


D'Alembert's principle of Least momentum


D'Alembert's principle of Least acceleration


D'Alembert's principle of Least Jerk


D'Alembert's principle of Least Snap


..... and so on and so forth.


(I've not included Crackle and Pop since they are not officially recognised names for the 6th and 7th derivatives.

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #218 on: January 11, 2014, 11:32:26 PM »
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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #219 on: January 12, 2014, 03:24:04 AM »
The fact that nobody, nowhere, has ever been able to demonstrate any kind of working gravity motor doesn't deter you at all.

i am doubt this.  just wait ,  time will prove.

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #220 on: January 12, 2014, 04:35:46 AM »
i am doubt this.  just wait ,  time will prove.
What TK asserts is untrue. There is believable historical evidence that Bessler harnessed gravity with his wheel. Read John Collins book. No doubt TK also ignores Matthew, Mark, Luke and John and claims there is no evidence that Jesus existed.


Time will indeed prove - and jolly soon.

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #221 on: January 12, 2014, 07:32:23 AM »
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Using a multi-storey building as an analogy the we see the conservation of momentum when we are on the same floor,

the 10th say, .....................the 8th floor, is the jerk floor. ........................................................
Relativity applies to all of us,
"TK" is correct (on his floor) and so is "Grimer" (on his floor).  The floors happen to be "not the same floor"
That something hasn't been EVER/NEVER observed on one floor doesn't mean it can not exist on an other floor.   
The likely hood (chance) that it will ever be observed on the initial floor does become remote (something akin to winning the lottery). Although to say that NOBODY will EVER/NEVER  win the lottery is just as unlikely.
So do not nail all the doors shut.

We need to respect someone like "for example TK" to have a difference of opinion, so long he considers it "his" opinion, not the NEW general LAW for all mankind (as it is so often perceived by wording)
Our strength lies in diversity and difference, different ways of thinking, exactly the ingredients that drive prosperity. 
Do not squash it.  (as is done by to those extreme religious groups as related to religion...)
My 20 cents,  Red_sunset

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #222 on: January 12, 2014, 08:44:48 AM »
Relativity applies to all of us,
"TK" is correct (on his floor) and so is "Grimer" (on his floor).  The floors happen to be "not the same floor"
That something hasn't been EVER/NEVER observed on one floor doesn't mean it can not exist on an other floor.   
The likely hood (chance) that it will ever be observed on the initial floor does become remote (something akin to winning the lottery). Although to say that NOBODY will EVER/NEVER  win the lottery is just as unlikely.
So do not nail all the doors shut.

We need to respect someone like "for example TK" to have a difference of opinion, so long he considers it "his" opinion, not the NEW general LAW for all mankind (as it is so often perceived by wording)
Our strength lies in diversity and difference, different ways of thinking, exactly the ingredients that drive prosperity. 
Do not squash it.  (as is done by to those extreme religious groups as related to religion...)
My 20 cents,  Red_sunset



You're a miserable relativist, Red Sunset and relativism has been rightly condemned for denying the principle of contradiction. There's not your truth and my truth. Religious groups realise this. Only one can be correct. The rest that claim to be correct are in error.

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #223 on: January 12, 2014, 11:00:10 AM »
What TK asserts is untrue. There is believable historical evidence that Bessler harnessed gravity with his wheel. Read John Collins book. No doubt TK also ignores Matthew, Mark, Luke and John and claims there is no evidence that Jesus existed.


Time will indeed prove - and jolly soon.
When might soon be?  Bessler made his claims 300 years ago.  Since then no experiment has reproduced his perpetual motion claims.  John Collins is among those who have tried and failed.  Gravity stubbornly continues to demonstrate that it is a conservative field.

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #224 on: January 12, 2014, 11:10:51 AM »
September 2013 - machine complete:
19/10/2013 - Foto Oficial nº 52 - Final da terceira de três etapas
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January 2014 - still no video of it running... Why not???  :(


 

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