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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #60 on: July 09, 2013, 09:26:44 PM »
Hrmmm strange funny you don't hear anything about it in the news just silence.


Possible reasons,


1- Gravity cannot do work (For some reason it wont)
2- This is a corn or bean squeezing thing that has nothing to do with overunity or gravity.
3- It is finally powered with an electric motor or some engine. Not exactly a reason for big head lines...
4- A prime-stupid wealthy engineer overlooked something essensial when he designed an over unity machine.
5- Because of 4, this person has been digging a very deep hole in the ground - for himself.
6- One OU member has just photoshopped photos of a machine that looks like a gravity machine.


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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #61 on: July 10, 2013, 08:12:54 AM »
I like number 4 as most likely.
It can always be used as a work of mechanical art.
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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #62 on: July 10, 2013, 03:52:58 PM »
I agree, #4.
It looks like the machine is changing in design, n37 to n39.
 
If it was some plant processor, it seems the design would be established, but now that the "Gravity" machine does not work, they are making changes.
 
 

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #63 on: July 10, 2013, 04:10:32 PM »
It seems we may not see any more progression on this machine no matter what it is. Ever since Sterling from Peswicki contacted them regarding a visit by him, and offered his services for possible investors or involvement in their project it appears they promptly shutdown any more posting on the progress.
I was looking forward to seeing what became of this. Judging from the money and work that was being done on their machine I really doubt they needed new investors or participants in their project (no matter what it turned out to be)







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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #64 on: July 10, 2013, 05:30:03 PM »
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What astonishes me most is that the "OU attempt" is in the field of "mechanics" which according to my unimportant opinion is one of most thoroughly understood areas in science.
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I thought the properties of water must be "one of the most thoroughly understood areas in science" until I discovered the 4th, 8th and 12th power laws governing the vapour pressure of water; also the 6th power law governing the absolute pressure vs volume relation for water.


http://www.lsbu.ac.uk/water/strange.html


It would be difficult to think of a more important liquid to mankind than water. After all, our bodies are mainly water.


There's a very apposite quote on people's failure to revise ideas in science by a lady philosopher. I'll have to see if I can find it.

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #65 on: July 12, 2013, 07:53:22 AM »

It's an offset gyro situation.


In effect you have two angular conservations of momentum going on. One in the vertical plane and one in the horizontal plane. Gravity is acting on the one in the vertical plane just as it does with the offset gyro.


This means that the energy being generated is one derivative higher than Jerk, i.e. Snap. No wonder nobody's found it till now.


To get a feeling of what's going on imagine an offset gyro which is happily precessing around its tower. Now stop its precession. What happens? The gyro whips up doesn't it. Now supposing that whip up is prevented by a crank on a shaft. then the gyro will apply a force to that crank which will turn that crank-shaft an increment. That's RAR.

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #66 on: July 24, 2013, 02:20:45 PM »
It's an offset gyro situation.


In effect you have two angular conservations of momentum going on. One in the vertical plane and one in the horizontal plane. Gravity is acting on the one in the vertical plane just as it does with the offset gyro.


This means that the energy being generated is one derivative higher than Jerk, i.e. Snap. No wonder nobody's found it till now.


To get a feeling of what's going on imagine an offset gyro which is happily precessing around its tower. Now stop its precession. What happens? The gyro whips up doesn't it. Now supposing that whip up is prevented by a crank on a shaft. then the gyro will apply a force to that crank which will turn that crank-shaft an increment. That's RAR.
What you are describing reminds me of a power ball. I have one. Funny to play with. Ofcourse (At least I assume) that a very big power ball can be powered by the earth rotation. However, it takes 24 hours on one revolution...that might cause some practical challenges.


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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #67 on: July 29, 2013, 05:08:52 PM »

The following four post are from another forum. Since the subject of the offset gyro has come up I thought I would reposte them here.


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[cite]Posted By: Grimer[/cite]The Eric GraviMobil can be simulated with a VentoMobil moving vertically.


A vertical alpha-atmosphere wind blows down the face of a sheer cliff.


Vertical rack rails are attached to the cliff and the VentoMobil is provided with pinion wheels running on the rack rails.


When pointed into the wind the Ventomobil will climb steadily up the cliff.


Suppose now that the pinion wheels of the Ventomobile come to breaks in the rack.


The Ventomobil will no longer be able to climb and will reach an equilibrium with the vertical wind. It will hang, apparently weightless, just as the GraviMobil on a tower hangs. We know of course that the Ventomobil equilibrium is a dynamic equilibrium, the wind driving the sails which in turn are providing torque to the pinions. The full weight of the Ventomobil is taken by the racks in the same way that the full weight of the offset gyro is taken by the tower.


Now it will be helpful to go further and have the GraviMobil actually driving up into the wind (and I will explain how to do this later) but that is not necessary for the recognition that GraviMobil is driving against the gravity wind and suspended against gravity by this drive just as the Ventomobil is with the atmospheric wind.


So Laithwaite is vindicated.


How on earth has such an important insight been missed?


The same way that the 6th power equation of state for water was missed.


By an inadequately complex model of behaviour. Galbraith's pin joints instead of moment distribution.


In the case of water no-one saw it in terms of two phase behaviour with one phase in tension, the other in compression. I saw it because I came from a background of research into the properties of clays where that mechanism is obvious.
Because people find it difficult to appreciate the dynamic equilibrium of a offset gyro or a magnet sticking to a fridge it is best to move on to an example where the harnessing of the gravitational wind is more obvious.


Somewhere, there is a video which shows a toy railway truck being driven by the reaction of an offset gyro hanging off the side.


I think Eric missed a trick there. He should have shown the gyro driving the truck up an incline, albeit a curved incline. By continuing the incline to form an ascending spiral and carefully accounting for frictional losses he could have shown that the system was gaining potential gravitational energy.


In the truck case Eric's muscles are not involved. It seems to me that Al's appeals to Eric's muscles was merely a device to balance the books since he didn't have strain gauges on Eric's muscles and can have had no idea what the muscular contribution was to the Eric demonstration.


I'll have to see if I can find a link to the truck demonstration.

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #68 on: September 06, 2013, 07:29:14 AM »
So, what happened to http://www.rarenergia.com.br/
?????????????????????????????????????????????????

Last website update was on (dd / mm / yyyy) 14 / 06 /2013.
Is there any member on this forum living near Gilman - Illinois USA?
If so, is it possible for you to take a look at the construction site of
the second gravity motor build, to see if there is any construction activity?

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #69 on: September 10, 2013, 08:52:58 PM »
Are you still discussing this corn machine? It isn't a gravity wheel. It is a tool. More than one picture is faked, etc. to make you believe this is a gravity machine project. Well, it's not. Move forward ;-)


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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #70 on: September 11, 2013, 12:10:24 PM »
They say it is working beautifully ! (http://www.rarenergia.com.br/imagem44a.JPG)

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #71 on: September 12, 2013, 04:26:37 PM »
They say it is working beautifully ! (http://www.rarenergia.com.br/imagem44a.JPG)
Maybe we should wait to see the machine actually running. I'm "surprised" that no one yet has posted a video of this machine in action.


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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #72 on: September 13, 2013, 04:20:34 AM »
Maybe we should wait to see the machine actually running. I'm "surprised" that no one yet has posted a video of this machine in action.


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They have to wait until the corn harvest.  Then we will see it in action processing the corn as it was designed to do.  (Smile)

Do we have an address for this location?  Possibly, Google Earth street view might show something interesting?  They are really going wild updating those views.  We have like 5 camera vehicles running all around my small town over here in Kentucky.

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #73 on: September 13, 2013, 03:50:07 PM »

It must be an over unity machine, because a corn processing machines looks like this: (I cannot see similarities between those.. :-))

http://images.travelpod.com/tw_slides/ta00/a7e/40c/self-made-machine-for-corn-processing-nisporeni.jpg

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #74 on: September 14, 2013, 02:15:04 AM »

I thought the properties of water must be "one of the most thoroughly understood areas in science" until I discovered the 4th, 8th and 12th power laws governing the vapour pressure of water; also the 6th power law governing the absolute pressure vs volume relation for water.


http://www.lsbu.ac.uk/water/strange.html


It would be difficult to think of a more important liquid to mankind than water. After all, our bodies are mainly water.


There's a very apposite quote on people's failure to revise ideas in science by a lady philosopher. I'll have to see if I can find it.



I've found the quote in a BesslerWheel.com post of 2009




Simone Weil, had the situation bang to rights when in her essay, "La Science et nous" she wrote,


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What is disastrous is not the rejection of classical science but the way it has been rejected. It is wrongly believed it could progress indefinitely and it ran into a dead end about the year 1900; but scientists failed to stop at the same time in order to contemplate and reflect upon the barrier, they did not try to describe it and define it and, having taken it into account, to draw some general conclusion from it; instead they rushed violently past it, leaving classical science behind them.


And why should we be surprised at this? For are they not paid to forge continually ahead? Nobody advances in his career, or reputation, or gets a Nobel prize, by standing still. To cease voluntarily from forging ahead, any brilliantly gifted scientist would need to be a saint or a hero, and why should he be a saint or a hero? With rare exceptions there are none to be found among the members of other professions.


So the scientists forged ahead without revising anything, because any revision would have seemed a retrogression; they merely made an addition.
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