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Offline Grimer

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #285 on: January 14, 2014, 02:14:46 PM »
Grimer, unless I have missed something your graph is not the result of an experiment.  As far as I know is an expression of an idea you postulate.  If you believe it describes or embodies conditions under which gravity is non-conservative, then let's talk about how that can be tested and see if we can come up with an accessible experiment.

Unless your ideas about gravity require magnets to make gravity non-conservative then that machine in the videos with the magnets is off topic.  If you are interested in that machine, then please find a suitable thread, or start one.
I see that deep grooves have been cut in your mind by too much specialised education and that once in one of those grooves the blinkers come on and you are quite incapable of climbing out of it. Can't imagine you ever making that James Burke programme, "Connections". It's called lateral thinking - ever heard of it? - thought not.


As far as I'm concerned nothing is off topic. I should get back to your speciality if I were you and stop clogging up this thread with useless posts.

Offline MarkE

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #286 on: January 14, 2014, 02:20:32 PM »
Grimer, I really wish you would come back to topic and state conditions under which you believe gravity can be shown to be non-conservative.

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #287 on: January 14, 2014, 02:21:30 PM »
Frank, have you gone off your meds again?

Mark E. has been asking you to support your claims, nothing more. It would be very useful if you did that.

YOU are the one making "useless posts", claims without evidence, and ad-hominem abusive attacks. You are the one bringing in extraneous and irrelevant material. You are the one who cannot defend his arguments with actual facts and checkable outside references.

Offline Red_Sunset

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #288 on: January 14, 2014, 03:09:21 PM »
I see you're still half asleep, Red. It's Grimer, not grimmer. Accuracy is important in science and search engines are a bit dim when it comes to spelling.

What a day!
I should have stayed in bed, since everybody got out on the wrong foot today
Looking forward to Sunset, happy hour !

Offline Grimer

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #289 on: January 14, 2014, 03:11:45 PM »

Mark,


Let me explain something to you.


In the British Scientific Civil Service there are three grades of officer.


Scientific officers whose job it is to dream up new areas of research.


Experimental Officers whose job is to device experiments on those ideas
and carry them out.


Scientific Assistants who help the experimental officers with the donkey work and make the tea.


The rest of the service has a similar hierarchical division of Admin, Exec, and Clerical.


I don't do experiments, that's not my job. I don't devise them. I don't carry them out. And I would be absolutely useless if I did.


Like the centurion in the gospel I say to my E.O. go here and he goes, do this and he does it.


None of the experiments in my published papers were carried out by me. Design and implementation of equipment and procedures were undertaken by my E.O.s. They wouldn't let me touch anything in case I broke it.


So if you want to design and carry out an experiment based on my graph then be my guest. The idea is where my job begins and ends.














Offline Grimer

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #290 on: January 14, 2014, 03:22:59 PM »
Frank, have you gone off your meds again?

Mark E. has been asking you to support your claims, nothing more. It would be very useful if you did that.

YOU are the one making "useless posts", claims without evidence, and ad-hominem abusive attacks. You are the one bringing in extraneous and irrelevant material. You are the one who cannot defend his arguments with actual facts and checkable outside references.
You can't help insulting people can you. I think you do it without realising it.


As you said in one of your posts. Taunting Rosemary is a sport.


Let's hope she never brings a libel action against you in London.
Your anonymity won't protect you as you probably realise.


It seems rather unfair that she can libel Al but Al can't libel her. But that's the price of secrecy.

Offline MarkE

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #291 on: January 14, 2014, 03:40:46 PM »
Mark,


Let me explain something to you.


In the British Scientific Civil Service there are three grades of officer.


Scientific officers whose job it is to dream up new areas of research.


Experimental Officers whose job is to device experiments on those ideas
and carry them out.


Scientific Assistants who help the experimental officers with the donkey work and make the tea.


The rest of the service has a similar hierarchical division of Admin, Exec, and Clerical.


I don't do experiments, that's not my job. I don't devise them. I don't carry them out. And I would be absolutely useless if I did.


Like the centurion in the gospel I say to my E.O. go here and he goes, do this and he does it.


None of the experiments in my published papers were carried out by me. Design and implementation of equipment and procedures were undertaken by my E.O.s. They wouldn't let me touch anything in case I broke it.


So if you want to design and carry out an experiment based on my graph then be my guest. The idea is where my job begins and ends.
Grimer, OK, you don't do experiment design.  Let's move beyond that. 

In order to design an experiment we first have to define what it is that the experiment is going to test.  Gravity has been shown to behave conservatively in many tests under a broad range of conditions.  Repeating tests under any of those conditions would by all probability simply repeat the apparently conservative behavior.  If there is an exception to conservation with respect to gravity, that exception occurs under limiting circumstances outside what has been tested before.  What I need to know from you is what limitations you believe are sufficient.  Once you state those limitations, then anyone here, including me can think about how to devise a test that will impose those limitations in an accessible and repeatable experiment.  If the verified results of such tests show non-conservative behavior beyond the error bars, then the presently held view that gravity is a conservative field will be falsified by such an experiment.  If they fail to falsify then the required limitations may have to be expanded.

So, let's get started:  Please state limiting circumstances under which according to your ideas a gravitational field is non-conservative. 

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #292 on: January 14, 2014, 03:46:26 PM »
You can't help insulting people can you. I think you do it without realising it.


As you said in one of your posts. Taunting Rosemary is a sport.


Let's hope she never brings a libel action against you in London.
Your anonymity won't protect you as you probably realise.


It seems rather unfair that she can libel Al but Al can't libel her. But that's the price of secrecy.

Frank, I can prove the truth of everything I've ever said about Ainslie. She is ignorant, arrogant, undereducated, a liar and a fool, paranoid and delusional, and she has threatened me several times. I have evidence for every allegation I've ever made concerning her. She, however, has accused me of crimes, she's made homophobic slurs against me, she has called and emailed other people seeking to malign me and destroy my reputation in their eyes. Needless to say, she has no evidence for any of her crazy allegations.  For a long time she believed that I was someone named Bryan Little, and she emitted many many slurs and libels against him, whoever he might be. Were she here in Texas rather than being in some unreachable backwater third world hellhole, I would sue her back to abject poverty for the things she has said and done against me.

Now.. shall we examine your last few posts for the insults you have emitted towards people like Mark E and myself?

Please give us a link to where I said "Taunting Rosemary is a sport". If you think criticising her "work" and her ridiculous claims with factual demonstrations is "taunting", then you have a different OED than I do.

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #293 on: January 14, 2014, 04:53:39 PM »
Frank, I can prove the truth of everything I've ever said about Ainslie. She is ignorant, arrogant, undereducated, a liar and a fool, paranoid and delusional, and she has threatened me several times. I have evidence for every allegation I've ever made concerning her. She, however, has accused me of crimes, she's made homophobic slurs against me, she has called and emailed other people seeking to malign me and destroy my reputation in their eyes. Needless to say, she has no evidence for any of her crazy allegations.  For a long time she believed that I was someone named Bryan Little, and she emitted many many slurs and libels against him, whoever he might be. Were she here in Texas rather than being in some unreachable backwater third world hellhole, I would sue her back to abject poverty for the things she has said and done against me.

Now.. shall we examine your last few posts for the insults you have emitted towards people like Mark E and myself?

Please give us a link to where I said "Taunting Rosemary is a sport". If you think criticising her "work" and her ridiculous claims with factual demonstrations is "taunting", then you have a different OED than I do.


I would gladly leave her to her peace... but she refuses to cease and desist with her insults and libels against me (and you, and Sterling, and Stefan, and .99, and just about everyone else who has ever criticized her). And she's got a couple of sock-puppet sycophants who parrot her insults and add their own filth to the mix as well. She offended me greatly with many of her libels and her homophobic slurs and her threats, and as long as she persists I will stand up for myself and my work. I will not tolerate people lying about me or misrepresenting my work, even if they are doing it on an obscure and silly blog that contains nothing else of significance. Not only that, I am proud of my expensive education, and I have credentials that I worked hard for and earned at great expense, and my teachers and advisors were people at the top of their fields. Ainslie is an uneducated barbarian who thinks that reading Gary Zukov's popular book constitutes a physics education. I will not sit still for insults and disrespect from overweeningly arrogant and ignorant fools like Ainslie. Besides.... I've got some time on my hands, and it's kind of fun seeing what she comes up with next, how far down her own throat she can stick her foot, like in the August fiasco "demo" of incompetence and ignorance. She learned one lesson then: never give actual data or details, because they _will_ be examined and fabrications will be uncovered. So now we just get claims from her, no data or descriptions at all, and that's all we will be getting in the future.Thanks for the note, I'm glad you are still watching. Look at it as sport, because that's really all it is. As you note, from a scientific and technical aspect she has been utterly put down, long ago, and all that is left of her "work" and her "thesis" is a twitching mess, full of holes, contradictions, falsehood and fabrications.

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #294 on: January 14, 2014, 08:31:09 PM »
Jeez Grimer .. I don't think I've seen you so purposefully & wilfully derail a thread as this before - you can run but you can't hide.

Since it is established that you have a hypothesis & a theory, which you obviously wish to have taken seriously, then please ignore distractions & help those interested in your theory with some experimental design ideas & parameters to test your hypothesis.

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #295 on: January 14, 2014, 08:32:35 PM »
I don't see anything in there about "taunting". I get my "sport" from building and testing, reporting and criticizing. If you want to see "taunting".... you should take a look at Ainslie's forum. Did you bother to read her words in the post images above? There are hundreds more examples like those, and not restricted, as you can see, to little old me.
The "fun" in the passage you quote is from seeing what she comes up with next.

Nice try, though. Most of my critics can't do nearly that well.

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #296 on: January 14, 2014, 09:04:11 PM »
I don't see anything in there about "taunting". I get my "sport" from building and testing, reporting and criticizing. If you want to see "taunting".... you should take a look at Ainslie's forum. Did you bother to read her words in the post images above? There are hundreds more examples like those, and not restricted, as you can see, to little old me.
The "fun" in the passage you quote is from seeing what she comes up with next.

Nice try, though. Most of my critics can't do nearly that well.
LOL. It took me a hell of a time to find it. Still, I did remember the word Sport - which is not bad at my age.  :)

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #297 on: January 14, 2014, 10:42:50 PM »
Grimer, I would really like to get this thread back on topic.  I am still looking for some statement from you of a limiting condition or conditions that are sufficient for a gravitational field to be non-conservative so that I can start thinking about an appropriate experiment design.

As to your plot of a cycloid pendulum path versus a circular pendulum path, are you asserting that energy is gained or lost on either or both halves of the swing in the cycloid case?  If so, according to your ideas:  Does such an alleged gain or loss manifest in the KE of the bob at the bottom of the travel, or the PE of the bob at the top of the travel or the combined KE and PE somewhere between the top and the bottom? 

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #298 on: January 15, 2014, 05:49:21 AM »
@ marke

why do you push too hard?

Offline Grimer

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #299 on: January 15, 2014, 06:26:01 AM »
@ marke

why do you push to hard?
Coz he knows if he don't I won't get up off my arse.  >:(


I'm ready for the inquisition now. Watch this space.  ;)