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Author Topic: Big try at gravity wheel  (Read 594372 times)

Offline Grimer

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #270 on: January 14, 2014, 07:32:30 AM »
ORLY? This is the first I've heard of that.

I think you came to your senses and realized that you would have to pay up the 2000 pounds, and you still wouldn't be any better off than you are now.

Anyone with any sense can see that the non-existence of a self-looping coin funnel is sufficient disproof of your silly hypothesis (which you never bothered to state explicitly.)
     

O rly[/size]
Internet slang, short for "Oh, really?". Used in the following ways; often sarcastic:

1. In response to someone who has said/pointed out something very obvious

2. In response to someone who has insulted you or has aggressively disagreed with you

3. In response to a boring, nerdy comment you don't understand or care about (i.e. a peice of trivia)

4. In response to a comment that seems hard to believe or a lie

Occasionally some will respond to an "O rly?" comment with "ya rly" or "rly", but this is lameand not recommended.
1. A: Dude! Did you see this? There's an eye on the pyramid on the back of all these dollar bills!

B: O rly?

2. A: You're a fucking loser, A Cinderella Story was a shitty movie.

B: O rly.

3. A: Yes, but did you all know that the word "catapult" is of Hungarian and French origin and roughly translates to blah blah blah......

B: o rly?

4. A: My aunt is friends with Lindsay Lohan's agent's sister, and she's said that Lindz is totally not a cokehead, so stfu.

B: O RLY?
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Not being a geek I had to look it up.
So I've given the meaning for the benefit of any other non-geeks who might be following this thread.


And by the way,  what happened to the WhipMag TK?




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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #270 on: January 14, 2014, 07:32:30 AM »

Offline Grimer

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #271 on: January 14, 2014, 07:40:24 AM »
...
I think you came to your senses and realized that you would have to pay up the 2000 pounds, and you still wouldn't be any better off than you are now.
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I can easily disprove that theory. I'll send you a cheque for £2000. How's that for evidence. 8)

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #272 on: January 14, 2014, 07:55:48 AM »
What a bunch of bouncing heads, I found this morning,

It should be clear to all by now that we have an opinion, a theory and that no known "conclusive evidence" exist that proves that the gravity field is non conservative.
That grimmer had good intentions with tabling his postulate should be accepted. But to leap frog to "fact" will need some persistent observations.  I think some more work and water needs to flow under the bridge to confirm this theory/postulate.

As a hypothetical principle, it would promise great potential

Red_Sunset


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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #272 on: January 14, 2014, 07:55:48 AM »
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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #273 on: January 14, 2014, 08:04:48 AM »
What a bunch of bouncing heads, I found this morning,

It should be clear to all by now that we have an opinion, a theory and that no known "conclusive evidence" exist that proves that the gravity field is non conservative.
That grimmer had good intentions with tabling his postulate should be accepted. But to leap frog to "fact" will need some persistent observations.  I think some more work and water needs to flow under the bridge to confirm this theory/postulate.

As a hypothetical principle, it would promise great potential

Red_Sunset
If most of us agree that is the situation, then I think that a good next step then would be to come up with a falsification experiment that most if not all would agree is valid.  Ideally, such an experiment would be one that multiple people could replicate to their own satisfaction.  Towards that, I ask Grimer:  According to your ideas under what conditions is gravity non-conservative?

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #274 on: January 14, 2014, 08:22:19 AM »
What a bunch of bouncing heads, I found this morning,

It should be clear to all by now that we have an opinion, a theory and that no known "conclusive evidence" exist that proves that the gravity field is non conservative.
That grimmer had good intentions with tabling his postulate should be accepted. But to leap frog to "fact" will need some persistent observations.  I think some more work and water needs to flow under the bridge to confirm this theory/postulate.

As a hypothetical principle, it would promise great potential

Red_Sunset
I see you're still half asleep, Red. It's Grimer, not grimmer. Accuracy is important in science and search engines are a bit dim when it comes to spelling.

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #274 on: January 14, 2014, 08:22:19 AM »
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Offline Red_Sunset

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #275 on: January 14, 2014, 08:47:28 AM »
I see you're still half asleep, Red. It's Grimer, not grimmer. Accuracy is important in science and search engines are a bit dim when it comes to spelling.

Ooops, sorry a typo, my apologies, you are correct about the sleepy part.
Ja,ja,,,,ja...scientific accuracy,  "grimer/grimmer", should I also be concerned about scientific persona profiles for future generations to discover?

Red

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #276 on: January 14, 2014, 11:22:51 AM »
Ooops, sorry a typo, my apologies, you are correct about the sleepy part.
Ja,ja,,,,ja...scientific accuracy,  "grimer/grimmer", should I also be concerned about scientific persona profiles for future generations to discover?

Red


In my experience forum profiles are normally devoid of content. If you wish future generations to credit any intelligent contribution
you make to a historic scientific event you should certainly flesh yours out a bit. At present you are anonymous and can be libelled with impunity.
I'm not and can't as TK should know. I'm expecting a withdrawal of his scurrilous allegation about my motive, together with a fulsome apology.


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Offline MarkE

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #277 on: January 14, 2014, 11:36:32 AM »

In my experience forum profiles are normally devoid of content. If you wish future generations to credit any intelligent contribution
you make to a historic scientific event you should certainly flesh yours out a bit. At present you are anonymous and can be libelled with impunity.
I'm not and can't as TK should know. I'm expecting a withdrawal of his scurrilous allegation about my motive, together with a fulsome apology.


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Grimer, I would much prefer to see you do work towards developing a way to practically test your ideas than threatening libel lawsuits. 

Returning to the subject:  Would you please state a combination of conditions that you feel are sufficient for gravity to be non-conservative?  That would allow anyone here to start thinking about what kind of experiment could test your hypothesis.

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #278 on: January 14, 2014, 11:43:29 AM »
Grimer, if you have examples that show or suggest that gravity is non-conservative, then great, I would love to learn about them.  If you don't, you don't.  In that case, I would encourage you to devise a falsification test for your hypothesis that gravity is non-conservative, and then execute that experiment and report on it.
You've just watched three videos with an experiment showing that the magnetic field is non-conservative. Why not deal with that first. Why not ask TK what's happened to it. I amazed at your lack of curiosity. Perhaps that's because you have it.

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #279 on: January 14, 2014, 11:50:19 AM »
You've just watched three videos with an experiment showing that the magnetic field is non-conservative. Why not deal with that first. Why not ask TK what's happened to it. I amazed at your lack of curiosity. Perhaps that's because you have it.
Grimer, please stay on topic.  The topic is your hypothesis that gravity is non-conservative.  Please state a set of conditions under which you think that gravity is non-conservative.  Then folks can start to think about how to test against that.

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #280 on: January 14, 2014, 01:19:45 PM »
I am very much on topic. The topic is conservatism and the TK experiment has a bearing on whether or not fields are conservative.


We have TK's experimental evidence which shows magnetism isn't conservative (unless it was a fraud as DP alleges). Why are you refusing to discus it?

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #281 on: January 14, 2014, 01:30:42 PM »
I can easily disprove that theory. I'll send you a cheque for £2000. How's that for evidence. 8)

Sorry, we don't take checks. Or cheques, either. You can send it in three equal monthly parts, via Western Union. Don't forget to deduct the cost of the toy...er... experimental funnel itself.

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #282 on: January 14, 2014, 01:33:55 PM »
I am very much on topic. The topic is conservatism and the TK experiment has a bearing on whether or not fields are conservative.


We have TK's experimental evidence which shows magnetism isn't conservative (unless it was a fraud as DP alleges). Why are you refusing to discus it?
Grimer if you ever choose to come back on topic and state a set of conditions under which you believe gravity is non-conservative, then I will be happy to pursue that with you. 

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #283 on: January 14, 2014, 01:38:50 PM »
Grimer, if gravity is not conservative, then how do you account for very sensitive and well repeated torsion balance tests where large suspended masses have been shown to attract with forces indistinguishable from G*m1*m2/r^2?
If gravity is conservative how do you account for my graph - and the WhipMag in the case of the alleged conservative nature of magnetism.


After all, the WhipMag is very much your field whereas gravity obviously ain't.

We are not talking about torsion balances and the inverse square law. We are talking about pendulums.
Your red herring is totally irrelevant to the topic.


What for instance is this remark of yours meant to mean.


"Those machines look like they are missing a large and powerful engine to drive them."


Was that a sneer, albeit milder than TKs.

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #284 on: January 14, 2014, 01:48:35 PM »
If gravity is conservative how do you account for my graph - and the WhipMag in the case of the alleged conservative nature of magnetism.


After all, the WhipMag is very much your field whereas gravity obviously ain't.
Grimer, unless I have missed something your graph is not the result of an experiment.  As far as I know is an expression of an idea you postulate.  If you believe it describes or embodies conditions under which gravity is non-conservative, then let's talk about how that can be tested and see if we can come up with an accessible experiment.

Unless your ideas about gravity require magnets to make gravity non-conservative then that machine in the videos with the magnets is off topic.  If you are interested in that machine, then please find a suitable thread, or start one.

 

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