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Author Topic: Big try at gravity wheel  (Read 575972 times)

Offline Red_Sunset

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #195 on: January 01, 2014, 10:42:35 AM »
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IS THERE SUCH INSTRUCTIONS ??? NO!!! SO SHUT THE FUCK UP UNTIL YOU DO!

"I can state categorically that you were definitively not talking on my behalf." so you have these instructions then? enough talk, post it! let me make it clear to you that you are saying to me that you have detailed instructions on building an over unity device...... because if you do not then you "categorically" ARE included in the 7+ billion people comment idiot!

"I do realize that this forum cannot be a 1 to 1 classroom to explain everything from a-z" do you realize that you don't need to technically understand something to build it? in the joule thief example, do I need to understand how transistor functions in order to build a joule thief? NO!! so what gives? your an idiot!

"Sure we all WANT,  a solution answer to all our questions with blueprints to build our fabulous home OU power generator, tested & proven before we begin building.  Be aware that there are many steps in between, many wrong paths and turns." The point is that Grimer and others claim to have these blueprints, and it clearly bull shit! i'll eat my words if Grimers next post is these elusive blueprints he talks of!

If he and others do NOT have blueprints.. state it now and i'll shut up..

No further comments   (only disappointed)

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #195 on: January 01, 2014, 10:42:35 AM »

Offline Poit

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #196 on: January 01, 2014, 11:37:59 AM »
What you want is fine.. but thats not what Grimer has said.

Who am I to judge people wanting to figure something out? thats cool.. but to claim you have proof is an entirely different matter!

you want 2014 to be a good year? lets ALL start by telling the truth?!

Something along the lines of "Hi everyone, my name is Grimer and I have previously said I have proof of over unity, I lied."

seriously. you reckon he will say that? or anything close!

no.. you want peace, fine, you and I can be peaceful, but gloves are off to Grimer and the likes that just sprout bull shit

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #197 on: January 01, 2014, 01:52:17 PM »
Hi Grimer, a Happy New Year,

I didn’t analyze in detail the RAR weight manipulation since I do not consider it directly part of the main principle (I assume).  Although the weights do play a major function in the mechanism in order to do “cost saving” and therewith increase the output.

The working forces are centered on the central shaft for gravity weight (roberval) and as a pivot for weight leverage. For the latter, the positioning of the weight ‘center of gravity’ becomes very important.
From my superficial view, the inboard weight is the main working weight (the reason for it to be most of the time in movement) and the outboard weights are counter balancing the inboard weights at certain times.  At predetermined positions, their counter balance is terminated by allowing then to rest on a ground support (angle dependency, the reason why they are not always in motion).
I can not see the RAR weight arrangement as a pendulum oscillation since it is far from free moving being constrained and controlled by locks to synchronize its movement to support the main lever mechanism.

Red_Sunset


Hi Red Sunset - and a Happy and Peaceful New year to you, sir.


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From my superficial view, the inboard weight is the main working weight


I agree


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At predetermined positions, their counter balance is terminated by allowing then to rest on a ground support


I agree. Moreover I consider this ground support to be essential in getting Newtonian Gravity to act asymmetrically.


It is interesting to note that the end elevation diagram does not show the outboard weights reaching the ground. I wonder if RAR even realise this is an essential feature and why it is essential. Perhaps they don't understand the nature of the grounding. Perhaps they don't perceive that it leads to the partitioning of jerk energy and allows one half to go to ground and the other half to drive the crank thus conserving angular momentum.


Alternatively, are they trying to mislead with that diagram to keep their discovery secret a little longer?

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #197 on: January 01, 2014, 01:52:17 PM »
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Offline minnie

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #198 on: January 01, 2014, 02:22:51 PM »
What we need is someone like Michel Henkens to write a detailed explanation similar
to that done for Hydro Energy Revolution, then we'd all understand.
              John.

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #199 on: January 01, 2014, 02:31:26 PM »
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I agree. Moreover I consider this ground support to be essential in getting Newtonian Gravity to act asymmetrically.

It is interesting to note that the end elevation diagram does not show the outboard weights reaching the ground. I wonder if RAR even realise ...................................................................................

Hi Grimer,
There is no good picture to give you a view, where these counter weights are parked on the ground. 
But I do think there is a high probability that they reach the ground at some point in the cycle for the following reason,
1.. The weights have feet to to account for a gap existing with the floor 
2.. The weights are mounted on a shaft allowing for positional rotation.
3.. The weights are mounted on a 180dgr hinge (this allows the inboard weight to increase height without impediment)
3.. The advantage to disengage the counter weight when the inboard weight is at its highest to achieve highest gravity force
See the 2 enlarged pictures attached

Red_Sunset

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #199 on: January 01, 2014, 02:31:26 PM »
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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #200 on: January 01, 2014, 02:48:22 PM »
Hi Grimer,
There is no good picture to give you a view, where these counter weights are parked on the ground. 
But I do think there is a high probability that they reach the ground at some point in the cycle for the following reason,
1.. The weights have feet to to account for a gap existing with the floor 
2.. The weights are mounted on a shaft allowing for positional rotation.
3.. The weights are mounted on a 180dgr hinge (this allows the inboard weight to increase height without impediment)
3.. The advantage to disengage the counter weight when the inboard weight is at its highest to achieve highest gravity force
See the 2 enlarged pictures attached

Red_Sunset


Well spotted.


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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #201 on: January 01, 2014, 06:31:03 PM »
(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q171/frank260332/EROI_-_Ratio_of_Energy_Returned_on_Energy_Invested_-_USA_zps21a21187.jpg)


This is test for posting images.


It does't work and it's stripped off the [img] tags.


It works with the originators of the software site who said they didn't have contact with Overunity.com and site owners were free to do they like with the software.


So what do I do to post an image?

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #201 on: January 01, 2014, 06:31:03 PM »
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Offline tim123

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #202 on: January 01, 2014, 09:23:39 PM »
If you download the image to your pc, and upload it from there it works fine.

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #203 on: January 01, 2014, 10:37:18 PM »
If you download the image to your pc, and upload it from there it works fine.


Thanks, Tim. I finally managed to sort it. I was trying to get it to show up in preview but it wouldn't. In desperation I finally hit the post key and as you can see it came up as an attachment.


I'm used to BesslerWheel.com where one can insert figures in the text rather than attachments at the end.


Images at the end are a bit of a pain if one has a long post but I 'spose I'll just have to put up with it.


Thanks again.

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #203 on: January 01, 2014, 10:37:18 PM »
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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #204 on: January 01, 2014, 10:57:30 PM »

Had a Skype discussion with Cbucket (BW member) yesterday evening. He commented that the fat chap reminded him of Brunel in that classic photo in front of the Great Eastern. All Renato needs is a big cigar and stove-pipe hat to complete the image.


Here's something else Charlie Bucket gave me.


As you can see the rate of energy returned for energy invested is horrible for Bio-diesel - which probably explains the fat guy's interest in finding some cheap alternative energy source. Gravity will put him up there with hydro.


Charlie suggested that maybe he was having all the other bio-diesel producers in to make them an offer they couldn't refuse. Buy a machine or you'll soon be out of business and I'll buy you up.

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #205 on: January 02, 2014, 03:34:09 AM »
With free energy the economics of producing bio will be transformed.
The fat guy should know - he's an economist.


You will notice from the previous graph that even with the huge capital
investment involved in hydro the return on investment is way, way
ahead of the rest.
 
Not only that but there's only a limited number of places you can
build dams and these are rapidly running out.


Gravity engines can be built anywhere. In the desert, underground,
on the bottom of the ocean, deep inside a mountain.


Won't the Nimbys be pleased.  :)


And the tree huggers coz with gravity energy biodiesel will be carbon neutral.

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #206 on: January 02, 2014, 11:24:28 PM »
Here's a photo of the Brunel emulator when he was younger.


The text is a Google translation from Portuguese.

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #207 on: January 03, 2014, 08:14:05 AM »

I think I can now see my way to understanding what's going on with the RAR gravity engine.


These various mechanisms which are being discussed, the simple balance, the Roberval Balance and the RAR are all energy transduscers which convert the gravitational acceleration into different orders of energy and route that energy to different destinations.


The three lowest orders of energy we are concerned with are


1st order ..... velocity
2nd order ..... acceleration
3rd order ..... jerk


Fortunately for us we can forget about the next three higher orders,
snap(4th), crackle(5th) and pop(6th),


Starting first with a simple lever balance pivoted at its centre we can see that the equal 2nd order energy of two unit masses in free fall is transduced into equal 3rd order energy for the mass nearest (inboard) and the mass furthest (outboard) from the pivot.


Both masses have the same angular momentum in other words.


In contrast the 2nd order energy of the two masses is no longer equal.
The 2nd order energy (acceleration) is partitioned into a greater and a lesser.


The outboard mass has the greater 2nd order energy.
The inboard mass has the lesser 2nd order energy.


So we can see that the simple balance is a step up transducer.
The energy equality is stepped up from the 2nd to the third order.


In contrast the boundary case of a Roberval Balance leaves the energy order of two free falling masses unchanged.


In this boundary case the component masses of the balance tend to zero
and the vertical movement of the balance pan also tends to zero.


Now even without having a full analysis of the RAR certain things seem clear enough.


The 3rd order energy is being partitioned between the mass of the earth (as in the case of gravity assist) and the crankshaft.


The transfer of the partitioned jerk is takes place as the outboard RAR mass is grounded.


It's certainly a damned more complicated away of harnessing gravity than the Bessler or the Keenie.


I suppose one can view it as the gravitational equivalent of a Newcomen Atmospheric Engine.


 

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #208 on: January 03, 2014, 10:17:15 AM »
No.

Until it turns under its own power, it can only be viewed as an incredibly complicated boat anchor.

Or rather, two of them, since there's one being built in the USA as well.

You have a remarkable ability to rationalize, Frank. The fact that nobody, nowhere, has ever been able to demonstrate any kind of working gravity motor doesn't deter you at all.

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #209 on: January 03, 2014, 10:26:36 AM »
No.

Until it turns under its own power, it can only be viewed as an incredibly complicated boat anchor.

Or rather, two of them, since there's one being built in the USA as well.

You have a remarkable ability to rationalize, Frank. The fact that nobody, nowhere, has ever been able to demonstrate any kind of working gravity motor doesn't deter you at all.


I would prefer it, Al, if you said I have a remarkable ability to reason.   ;-)


As for being deterred, if one doesn't have faith one is not going to move any mountains.

 

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