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Author Topic: Big try at gravity wheel  (Read 481421 times)

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #15 on: May 04, 2013, 09:29:18 AM »
Of course you have to lift the weights first. But that's just a minor detail. You can also buy pre-lifted weights, but not in the basement.

LOL...  ;D

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #16 on: May 04, 2013, 10:41:36 AM »
I am impressed, all right, by the size and the evident cost. One of those bearing-arm assemblies is undoubtedly worth more than my automobile.

But my automobile starts right up when I turn the key, and runs for as long as it has gasoline in the tank.


If I had a working prototype of this device I'd certainly make a YouTube video of it running. Wouldn't you?  "But the smaller ones only turned a few turns, and the bigger ones turned a few more turns, and by making a graph we can see that if we make a _really_ big one, it will keep on turning and turning and turning".... so forget about the YT vid of a running small prototype, let's just go ahead and build the big one, since the theory, and the data from the smaller ones, indicate that when it's over a certain size it will start running on its own.


Notice how confident the builders themselves are? There is no apparent provision for a brake or RPM limiter. Of course maybe those parts haven't been installed yet.

TK,

I have looked carefully at the images, and so far all I see is linear rocker arms that convert a linear movement
to a rotary movement on the axle, 16 of them situated at every 22,5 degrees around the axle. I agree with you that
the machine must cost a fortune. :-)

GL.

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #17 on: May 04, 2013, 09:55:04 PM »
Just an idea:

May be it is just a big soybean processing machine and they are pulling everybody's leg? Some sort of advertising stunt?

They say that two machines are built, one in the US and one in Brasil. Also makes sense in case these are soybean processing machines?

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:RAR_Energia_Ltda_Gravity_Motor
http://www.incobrasa.com/pictures_and_media/pictures.html

If they are serious about an OU attempt, it will be the biggest folly I have seen so far in OU forums. Great show!

Not so fast: how big a folly is this http://www.iter.org/mach ? 13 billion Euros ! http://www.iter.org/factsfigures

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #18 on: May 05, 2013, 05:18:49 PM »
What I actually meant by that question was that when
someone mentioned gravity being a fuel source the
topic went ballistic.  Weight by itself will power nothing.
Whatever causes the weight to move would have to be
the fuel.
You're right about weights and gravity. This machine (If it is suppose to be a gravity engine) it will not work as a solely gravity based one.
However, if the machine is big enough, the rotation of the earth might sufficiently offset something during operation so it actually works (Harnessing the coriolis effect). I don't know. Just a thought.


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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #19 on: May 07, 2013, 04:40:58 AM »
Item # 25 quoted from the patent: (Bold type added by me.)

"25. A fluid compressor comprising: a cylinder having a central axis; an axially reciprocating piston housed within the cylinder;  and a cylinder head cover over the cylinder, the cylinder head cover comprising: a first plate having first and second opposite surfaces, a first and second channel in a first surface of the first plate, wherein the first and second channels extend in the first surface and do not extend in the second surface, and the channels merge together within the plate at a first opening extending at last into the second surface of the first plate;  a second plate over the first plate, the second plate having a pair of bores therethrough each aligned with one of the first and second channels in the first plate;  a fourth plate over the second plate forming a cavity between the second and fourth plates;  a third plate rotatably disposed between the second and fourth plates, the third plate having a pair of spaced bores therethrough for sequentially aligning with one of the pair of bores through the second plate, wherein the fourth plate has a pair of spaced bores therethrough aligned with the bores through the second plate, wherein during a full rotation of the third plate each bore through the third plate aligns with each bore through the second and fourth plates;  and an axle supporting the third plate, the axle having an upper bearing and a lower bearing, the upper bearing being supported in a recess in the fourth plate and the lower bearing being supported in a recess in the second plate. "

Fluid compressor?  I was taught that fluids can NOT be compressed which is the entire principle behind hydraulics?  Physics teaches us that there is no such thing as a fluid compressor.

What gives?

Bill

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #20 on: May 07, 2013, 05:35:15 AM »
Question

Can you compress a liquid (water)?

Asked by: Guy Matthews

Answer

The answer is yes, You can compress water, or almost any material. However, it requires a great deal of pressure to accomplish a little compression. For that reason, liquids and solids are sometimes referred to as being incompressible.

To understand what happens, remember that all matter is composed of a collection of atoms. Even though matter seems to be very solid, in actuality, the atoms are relative far apart, and matter is mostly empty space. However, due to the forces between the molecules, they strongly resist being pressed closer together, but they can be. You probably have experienced compressing something as hard as steel. Have you ever bounced a steel ball bearing off a sidewalk? When you do that, the 'bounce' is due to compressing the steel ball, just a tiny little spot that comes into contact with the sidewalk. It compresses and then springs back, causing the bounce.

The water at the bottom of the ocean is compressed by the weight of the water above it all the way to the surface, and is more dense than the water at the surface.

A consequence of compressing a fluid is that the viscosity, that is the resistance of the fluid to flow, also increases as the density increases. This is because the atoms are forced closer together, and thus cannot slip by each other as easily as they can when the fluid is at atmospheric pressure.

Answered by: David L. Alexander
http://www.physlink.com/education/askexperts/ae15.cfm

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #21 on: May 07, 2013, 05:53:44 AM »
hmm, made me look this up:
differnce between fluid and liquid.
http://in.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080828065523AAC94FR

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Offline Pirate88179

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #22 on: May 07, 2013, 07:27:13 AM »
Ghost:

Wow, I learn something new every day it seems.  I am still not convinced that his compressor is really able to compress the "fluid" unless he is using a gas, which, by some definitions from your link is considered a fluid.  Now I am really confused.

Bill

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #23 on: May 07, 2013, 11:20:00 AM »
Pirate,

I think I posted the wrong patent. I found five patents in the name of the inventor and picked up one of them. I am afraid I got the wrong one.

I am sorry. :(

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #24 on: May 07, 2013, 09:14:00 PM »
My guess, the relevant patent is MX2012002607:
http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20120402&CC=MX&NR=2012002607A&KC=A
(on the left side of the page is a menu which gives access to the different parts of the patent application)

Corresponding US-Patent US2011209569 is attached as PDF-file:
http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20110901&CC=US&NR=2011209569A1&KC=A1

A power multiplier lever system having a power multiplier lever system that provides an increase of mechanical power generated by the motor, thereby giving greater power to the piston, which makes air compression possible without needing to use a large quantity of mechanical power, comprised by levers, wheels, connectors and pistons. The wheels and levers are positioned at distinct angles which operate as a power multiplier when activated. The axle power/torque is multiplied from the power generating source due to the angles made by the levers position. Two wheels are connected directly to the motor axle and are also connected to the first levers. The last pair of levers is connected to the pistons.


Remark: The aim is to compress air with a piston. The piston is pushed with a lever system which generates the miracle power (in case you want to belive that). The lever system itself is driven by a conventional electric motor. The lever system is supposed to enhance the power of the conventional electric motor in a miraculous way.

The lever system driven by the electric motor will compress air with the piston. But where is the miracle or the increas of power? With a lever one can move a big weight a short distance by moving a smaller weight a long distance, but the product "weight * distance" is the same, no power increase!

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #25 on: May 07, 2013, 10:45:38 PM »
:-)
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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #26 on: May 08, 2013, 02:07:07 AM »
Pirate,

I think I posted the wrong patent. I found five patents in the name of the inventor and picked up one of them. I am afraid I got the wrong one.

I am sorry. :(

No problem, I didn't even notice.

Conrad:

I agree about the leverage result being the same.

Groundloop:

OK, that explains it...I understand now, ha ha.

Bill

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #27 on: May 08, 2013, 02:40:06 AM »
It would be nice if someone can replicate this in Working Model 2D or some kind of physics simulation program.
Things are becoming a little bit more clearer now and it seems like this system doesn't have to be huge in size to work.

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #28 on: May 10, 2013, 02:59:42 PM »
Wow! Nice build, does it work? :)

The patent for power multiplier reminds me of the stone crushers, a toggle joint with an extra arm attached.

"When the mechanism is reaching its toggle position, a small input torque can generate an extremely large output torque, where its mechanical advantage is being infinitely maximal. At such situation, the mechanism is called a toggle mechanism. The toggle mechanisms can be used in the situation when one needs to output large force subject to a short stroke, for example, the stone crushers and mechanical presses, etc."

http://www.mindat.org/glossary/toggle_joint
http://acmcf.me.ncku.edu.tw/model/page/model/ntut/D01.htm

So in order to make the short output stroke useful to drive the shaft they have to build massive.

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #29 on: May 12, 2013, 06:41:16 AM »
I bet you your next welfare check it doesn't work. care to double it? think you can fool mother nature using macro physics? lets triple it. what do you say? I will own your debit card.

 

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