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Author Topic: Big try at gravity wheel  (Read 600529 times)

Offline MarkE

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1425 on: April 09, 2014, 05:02:22 AM »
Oh Dear TK, you can say it as many times as you like - we provided open door, self running models, and what did you do - doctored photo's, threatened to steal the IP and write scientific papers, called every replicator frauds and shills and made up diversions....

Lucky for us - we did not need your permission.

Sadly - I wonder how many good people you harmed.
I know you did not pay the builders back from your scam video...
The fraud Wayne Travis speaks.  You have never had a device that could self sustain.  All of your devices deplete the energy that you use to "precharge" them.  Thieves don't ask for permission:  They just take.  All stories pass through phases.  How long will the salad phase persist?

Viva!  Las Vegas!

Offline minnie

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1426 on: April 09, 2014, 08:17:23 AM »



     1598, "self running models", so you do have them!
     Time to give Mark D. a call.
     You've got it all now, a patent and a self running model - Well done Wayne!
                  John.

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1427 on: April 09, 2014, 08:32:55 AM »
Oh Dear TK, you can say it as many times as you like - we provided open door, self running models, and what did you do - doctored photo's, threatened to steal the IP and write scientific papers, called every replicator frauds and shills and made up diversions....

Lucky for us - we did not need your permission.

Sadly - I wonder how many good people you harmed.
I know you did not pay the builders back from your scam video...
Again you make your false accusation that I somehow "doctored" photographs... and again you make this accusation without providing any evidence.  Your accusation and your failure to back it up with evidence is noted, Honest Wayne Travis.

Meanwhile there is your continuing abject failure to provide any evidence for the rest of your bogus claims. And you really should look up the definitions of the words you use, you lying fraudster. Scam, for instance. You keep referring to a certain video, but you have no clue, no idea of what you are actually talking about, and every time you bring it up, you have a lot of people laughing at you.

Why do you care what happens on this forum, honest Wayne Travis? You really crack me up. The Saviour of All Mankind spends hours and days arguing with sock puppets on insignificant internet forums for hobbyists and crackpot dabblers. As if anyone needed any other proof that you are utterly FOS....  what a comedian you are!

Offline mrwayne

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1428 on: April 09, 2014, 01:35:41 PM »
To All,
One last time, I am going to pretend that TK, MH, ME, Liberia, Powercatt, Minnie, are not just Trolls getting their kicks off insulting people.
I will do this on Mondrasek's thread - the Mathematical analysis of an Ideal ZED - thread.   
I am going to explain in super simple terms:
I will Explain what - I showed the first skeptic, why our engineers joined our team, what the Trolls completely missed or tried to  8) 8) 8)
Proof so obvious -
If it embarrasses those trolls - I tried over and over to warn them to try to understand - instead of attacking good people all this time.
WayneTravis
 

Offline MarkE

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1429 on: April 09, 2014, 02:30:46 PM »
To All,
One last time, I am going to pretend that TK, MH, ME, Liberia, Powercatt, Minnie, are not just Trolls getting their kicks off insulting people.
I will do this on Mondrasek's thread - the Mathematical analysis of an Ideal ZED - thread.   
I am going to explain in super simple terms:
I will Explain what - I showed the first skeptic, why our engineers joined our team, what the Trolls completely missed or tried to  8) 8) 8)
Proof so obvious -
If it embarrasses those trolls - I tried over and over to warn them to try to understand - instead of attacking good people all this time.
WayneTravis
You posted your proof on Mondrasek's ideal ZED thread.  All you managed to show is that your machine uselessly lifts and lowers internal weights while consuming precharge energy.

You see Wayne, in order to do something useful, a machine must have an external output of some kind.  Your useless contraption just moans and groans as it dissipates the precharge energy rocking back and forth.  It doesn't for example drive an external pump that can do something useful like pull water up from a well, or pump water into irrigation ditches, or drive a generator to light up your church.  After your useless machine moans and groans for awhile it grinds to a stop until you "precharge" it again.

Offline memoryman

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1430 on: April 09, 2014, 03:52:23 PM »
Gentlemen.
Who am I?
My name (Bill Peiman) was clearly listed on a previous post; that is on FB and other places.
My username is either 'memoryman' or 'ngepro'; PESN banned me once from their site and I used the ngepro identity to comment again.
My integrity is not for hire, rent, lease or sale.
I cannot be insulted, so I do not need any defending. Treating people with respect gives better results in having relationships.
As stated, I have the highest respect for Mark D and E, TK and MH. Their analysis of Ms. Ainsley's claims was superb; I had nothing to add to their comments.
Specifically, I never had to correct Mark E on his factual statements; we do disagree at times.
As to the ZED, my position from the June 2012 article has not changed; it is nonsense.
The theory of how it works is only important to me IF a working device is validated; that has not been done here.
The issue of proper testing is not easy: unrestricted access to the device is needed for several days to establish that there is no hidden energy supply/source. The continuous monitoring of the device (to avoid tampering/changing) for 48 hours is also problematic: I need to sleep!
Bob Rohner told me that the 'several days of Papp's engine running' was not monitored at night, so Papp could have stopped the engine at night, refueled and restarted early in the morning, before Bob came in. Bob also told me during my visit  that I asked questions that nobody had asked before.

Mr.Travis, thank you for the offer to reimburse me for certain expenses; for now I am not willing to spend the 4+ days on investigating your device; I am already involved in 2 claims which have better prospects.
After 5 >years of announcements without publicly demonstrating the claims, and now announcing another 1.5 years of the same, it does not look good for you.

I will only post here once a day; there are more useful ways to spend my time.
Thank you all for your posts.

Offline mrwayne

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1431 on: April 09, 2014, 04:22:47 PM »
Thank you.

As I said before, I respect honesty.

Take Care.

Wayne

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1432 on: April 09, 2014, 04:42:48 PM »
Look for this baby....  (You might be able to hear the hiss assist.)
I thought Nitrous Oxide came in blue-shouldered cylinders....

 ;D ;D ;D ;D

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1433 on: April 09, 2014, 04:48:35 PM »
There it is:  "We won't have any evidence until ... well a long time from now, but hopefully not so long that our investors all figure out how FoS we are.  Right now we tell them 18 months.  In 18 months it will still be 18 months."

It seems that honest Wayne Travis is now switching from the Steorn script to the Mark Goldes script.... Goldes has perpetuated his fakery for twenty years, by advancing "soon" by 6 or 12 or 18 month increments, while changing "inventions" and shell companies, and has continued living quite well off the investments and "donations" from his supporters, without ever producing a single actual product. It is such an awesome performance that it appears that honest Wayne Travis is emulating him now, with the same end in mind: never actually having to reach the moving goalposts.

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1434 on: April 09, 2014, 04:57:33 PM »
Gentlemen.
Who am I?
My name (Bill Peiman) was clearly listed on a previous post; that is on FB and other places.
My username is either 'memoryman' or 'ngepro'; PESN banned me once from their site and I used the ngepro identity to comment again.
My integrity is not for hire, rent, lease or sale.
I cannot be insulted, so I do not need any defending. Treating people with respect gives better results in having relationships.
As stated, I have the highest respect for Mark D and E, TK and MH. Their analysis of Ms. Ainsley's claims was superb; I had nothing to add to their comments.
Specifically, I never had to correct Mark E on his factual statements; we do disagree at times.
As to the ZED, my position from the June 2012 article has not changed; it is nonsense.
The theory of how it works is only important to me IF a working device is validated; that has not been done here.
The issue of proper testing is not easy: unrestricted access to the device is needed for several days to establish that there is no hidden energy supply/source. The continuous monitoring of the device (to avoid tampering/changing) for 48 hours is also problematic: I need to sleep!
Bob Rohner told me that the 'several days of Papp's engine running' was not monitored at night, so Papp could have stopped the engine at night, refueled and restarted early in the morning, before Bob came in. Bob also told me during my visit  that I asked questions that nobody had asked before.

Mr.Travis, thank you for the offer to reimburse me for certain expenses; for now I am not willing to spend the 4+ days on investigating your device; I am already involved in 2 claims which have better prospects.
After 5 >years of announcements without publicly demonstrating the claims, and now announcing another 1.5 years of the same, it does not look good for you.

I will only post here once a day; there are more useful ways to spend my time.
Thank you all for your posts.
I hope you realize that my comments earlier about you being bribable or threatenable or even possibly "being" Travis yourself.... were made for rhetorical purposes!

No offense (to you) was intended. I was simply trying to make the point to honest Wayne Travis that I don't know you and I have only your forum posts to go by, as far as evaluating your competence to vet honest Wayne Travis's claims.

I do know a bit more about Mark Dansie, and it would seem to me that Dansie is in a better position.... should he care to.... to return to honest Wayne Travis's encampment for a third, extended visit, with his team of engineers, and do a comprehensive evaluation of the claims. However.... I'm also quite sure that honest Wayne Travis will never permit such a comprehensive visit and evaluation.


Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1435 on: April 09, 2014, 05:02:39 PM »
To All,
One last time, I am going to pretend that TK, MH, ME, Liberia, Powercatt, Minnie, are not just Trolls getting their kicks off insulting people.
I will do this on Mondrasek's thread - the Mathematical analysis of an Ideal ZED - thread.   
I am going to explain in super simple terms:
I will Explain what - I showed the first skeptic, why our engineers joined our team, what the Trolls completely missed or tried to  8) 8) 8)
Proof so obvious -
If it embarrasses those trolls - I tried over and over to warn them to try to understand - instead of attacking good people all this time.
WayneTravis
Why don't you just set up a webcam in front of your 5 hp selfrunner, powering a load, and let it run 24-7, streaming on the internet? Put a calendar-clock in the frame so we can see it's not a loop. After the third or fourth week of unattended running..... maybe even I would be convinced.

But of course I know you won't do that, and I know why. And so does every body else: YOU CANNOT... because no such thing exists, anywhere but inside your mendacious mind.

Offline memoryman

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1436 on: April 09, 2014, 05:11:00 PM »
TK, no offense take.
I completely agree with you assessment of Mark Dansie; I would not hesitate recommend having him do testing rather than me. I am competent: Mark is a pro.
As to trusting me for anything; it is up to you when/if you want to trust anyone. For me, trust is freely given, and can be withdrawn at any time by me.

Offline camelherder49

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1437 on: June 12, 2014, 06:06:27 PM »
My question did not involve how the water got into
a reservoir. The hydrology cycle takes care of that
very efficiently. Water recycling on earth is a given.

Water that falls into the great lakes region that passes
thru Niagra Falls moves from higher to lower elevations
by gravity other wise is would be static.

Water that falls into the City of New Orleans is static and moves from
lower elevation to higher elevation by a series of large pumps.

Obviously the water in New Orleans had no where to fall
but yet is was caused by the same sun.

If a ball is dropped from a plane gravity crashes it to
the ground. If you pour a glass of water out of a plane
then the sun causes it to crash to the ground.

Offline tarakan

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1438 on: June 22, 2014, 11:15:58 PM »
Is this modern art?

Offline ARMCORTEX

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1439 on: June 23, 2014, 06:32:18 AM »
You underestimate the advantage of mechanical devices.

To be a far initiate in electronics and gravity I say both schools of thought are evenly matched

I believe that gravity devices will win out vs quantum.