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Author Topic: Big try at gravity wheel  (Read 650478 times)

Offline minnie

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1170 on: February 21, 2014, 11:54:46 AM »



  Hi,
      reply 1295, not much to show for all those years and engineers mrwayne?
  Empty building, plexiglas tubes, two syringes and coloured water. No wonder
  you had trouble sleeping!
      How about claiming the Overunity.com prize? One watt shouldn't  be too
   hard?
           John.

Offline powercat

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1171 on: February 21, 2014, 12:09:41 PM »
Mr Red_herring, here are some words for you from Wayne travesty in the first thread.

Quote from: mrwayne on May 28, 2012, 03:20:19 PM
I always keep my word, and I tell the truth even when it hurts
Quote from: mrwayne on May 25, 2012, 04:14:10 PM
I promise, you who wish open sourcing will not be disappointed.
Quote from: mrwayne on June 02, 2012, 06:47:33 AM
We will be releasing to scientific journals and presenting the Data professionally, when Marks Group reccomends.
I look forward to the longevity runs as well, Next weekend is when we have the help to set up the new
plc equipment and software.
Quote from: mrwayne on June 10, 2012, 04:40:37 AM
Mark Dansie has assembled the team for our Extended runs - critical review
Quote from: mrwayne on June 24, 2012, 03:40:11 PM
We will run our pre test runs starting Monday - after we are sure we do not have new clogs
- I call Mark and he will come - the 28 is still our goal.
Quote from: mrwayne on June 27, 2012, 05:16:19 AM
Mark will come as soon as I ask - he is ready too.But I have not asked him to come yet, I might after tommorrows Run.
Quote from: mrwayne on June 30, 2012, 02:27:28 PM
We began running pretrial tests - prior to Mark Dansie's return - I had very much hoped to be done by Wednesday.
Quote from: mrwayne on July 27, 2012, 03:02:09 PM
After this Validation testing and presentation - we will be setting down to a coalition of teams
world wide to bring this technology to the world
Quote from: mrwayne on August 13, 2012, 02:55:02 PM
Mark has set his return for the week of the 20th.
Quote from: mrwayne on August 16, 2012, 03:41:48 PM
We are solving current issues for Mark and the rest of the team's next visit
Quote from: mrwayne on August 25, 2012, 02:32:40 PM
No, I am not sharing run Data with aynone, until we have the system ready to be released
Quote from: mrwayne on August 25, 2012, 10:43:58 PM
Marks third return was delayed because our "new" system would not charge the accumulator
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Quote from: markdansie on August 27, 2012, 05:05:15 AM
I still have not seen the two day demo yet , but I never put a time frame on this.
However as with all things as time carries on the confidence level always diminishes.

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Quote from: mrwayne on August 29, 2012, 07:14:45 PM
Our OU is not and has not been the question - simple phisics can show it over and over
Quote from: mrwayne on September 28, 2012, 02:42:16 PM
p.s. our optimized system is over 600% efficient.
Quote from: mrwayne on September 28, 2012, 05:11:26 PM
It will all begin in a short time - the validation is just around the corner - I am relieved and excited.
Quote from: mrwayne on October 1 2012 on his web site
We expect to be finished by the end of the week - assuming all goes semi well (parts delivery)
and we will be ready for the Validation!
Quote from: mrwayne on October 15 2012 on his web site
Of course this means we will run a couple days for ourselves before we turn it over to the validation team
- I have been in clear and constant communication with them.
Quote from: mrwayne on October 29 2012 on his web site
I spoke with Mark this morning regarding time lines, and travel arrangements
- we have selected a prevalidation member to come this weekend
Quote from: mrwayne on November 6 2012 on his web site
Do you feel a sense of urgency in our Development?
Have you waited long enough, are you ready to be done with all of the improvements and obstacles,
are you ready for the internal Validation, and the external validation?
Me too.
Quote from: mrwayne on November 11, 2012, 04:07:58 PM
Mark is not a member of the "Final Validation team" - so do not make assumptions - Mark has arranged a completly
independant and extremely qualified Validation team.
Quote from: mrwayne on November 22, 2012, 04:22:19 AM
Yes,And thank you.Mark is a valuable part of our efforts.In Mark and mine's last conversation -
just prior to his heading off on his honeymoon - He has two other stops to make and then we
both hope we are ready for him to return her to Chickasha Oklahoma again. Will we be ready?
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And you dare to talk of honor Red_herring you're nothing but a con man's puppet.

Offline Red_Sunset

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1172 on: February 21, 2014, 12:13:41 PM »


  Hi,
      reply 1295, not much to show for all those years and engineers mrwayne?
  Empty building, plexiglas tubes, two syringes and coloured water. No wonder
  you had trouble sleeping!
      How about claiming the Overunity.com prize? One watt shouldn't  be too
   hard?
           John.

John,   Do you feel better now ?  why not give one more kick, for good measure and more satisfaction !
           
Is that your natural behavior ?

Red

Offline MarkE

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1173 on: February 21, 2014, 12:43:10 PM »
Gentlemen,

Unbelievable, 4++ pages of dribble,
NO "yes/no" acknowledgements of agreement as yet to a the start baseline set forth in a post a few weeks ago.
It looks like, nobody is prepared to put themselves behind their words.

If you have disagreement about the baseline, I am prepared to accept possible modifications to the start baseline.

If any of you have some honor,  start spitting something more worthwhile.

Red_Sunset

PS:  the reason for a baseline is to allow some control on the deviations during discussions and so ensure minimal disturbing side tracking.
The discussion is about technical principles that underpins the ZED and NOT about Wayne or what he has or doesn't have, neither about the construction of the ZED.
Red_Sunset you can at anytime attempt to prove your claims.  All you have done so far is like Wayne:  wave your arms around.  Critics do not keep you from proving your false claims.  Reality does.

Offline MarkE

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1174 on: February 21, 2014, 01:01:02 PM »
Mr Red herring, here are some words for you from Wayne travesty in the first thread.

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Quote from: mrwayne on August 29, 2012, 07:14:45 PM
Our OU is not and has not been the question - simple phisics(SIC) can show it over and over

Quote from: mrwayne on September 28, 2012, 02:42:16 PM
p.s. our optimized system is over 600% efficient.

OK kids:  Assuming for a moment that over unity in any system were possible, what would be the possible efficiency values?
Answer:  0-100%, and indefinite.  Net efficiency is net output over net input.  At 100% and greater efficiency, the net input is therefore zero.  X/0 = indefinite.  If one were to have a machine that supposedly put out 6X what went into it, 1X output reroutes to the input and now there is this 5X the original input coming out for zero input.  It is meaningless to talk about percentage gains of machines that do not consume net input.  The only meaningful values of such a hypothetical apparatus are the: continuous output power, volume, weight, cost, etc.

Offline Marsing

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1175 on: February 21, 2014, 01:05:29 PM »
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PS:  the reason for a baseline is to allow some control on the deviations during discussions and so ensure minimal disturbing side tracking.

You are funny red, discussions have been begun since two weeks ago, i think there is no deviation nor disturbing attempt . 

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The discussion is about technical principles that underpins the ZED and NOT about Wayne or what he has or doesn't have, neither about the construction of the ZED.

Are you asking for a help ?

Offline mrwayne

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1176 on: February 21, 2014, 01:28:06 PM »
To All:

In my recent posted Photo's, I show:

Our HR Office,

A couple Zydro paintings from our build teams.

Two of the systems built during our replication challenge.

.....

No, I did not post pictures of any of our upgrades to the ZED, nor did I post pictures from our other four systems.

As has always been my policy - I did invited visitors, gave my personal phone number and HR address.

I also made it very clear - we do not seek, accept, nor need any funding.

.......

I also made it clear that I do not need permission from any person or skeptic to build my company - nor do I need permission to provide clean energy - neither do any of you.

Last year in January - we reorganized as a company - My friend Mark D and some of the men he introduced me to - helped and were instrumental in that decision.

In short - we stopped spending our time and resources trying to please the people who apply no effort to help, or have no intention or ability to help - and we focused on developing our systems for the customer, building our company to protect the product and investors.
.......

We have been blessed with both - Funding and more customers than our first manufacturing facility will be able to provide.

We are a small part of meeting a need - I encourage other inventors to keep working - building - thinking - and never be discouraged.

God Bless you all.

Wayne Travis

Offline mrwayne

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1177 on: February 21, 2014, 01:37:34 PM »
One more note:

When our systems are finished with Alpha and Beta testing, I will lend the "Replication group" one of our systems - to enter the O/U contest - and they can split the prize.

They Earned It.

Best Wishes Red, Tom M, Webby, Chris, Larry, and Mike.

Wayne Travis

Offline powercat

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1178 on: February 21, 2014, 02:11:14 PM »
One more note:

When our systems are finished..........

Wayne Travis


From 2012


Quote from: mrwayne on October 1 2012 on his web site
We expect to be finished by the end of the week - assuming all goes semi well (parts delivery)and we will be ready for the Validation!

Quote from: mrwayne on October 29 2012 on his web site
I spoke with Mark this morning regarding time lines, and travel arrangements - we have selected a prevalidation member to come this weekend

Quote from: mrwayne on May 28, 2012, 03:20:19 PM
I always keep my word, and I tell the truth even when it hurts

Offline mrwayne

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1179 on: February 21, 2014, 02:11:30 PM »
OK kids:  Assuming for a moment that over unity in any system were possible, what would be the possible efficiency values?
Answer:  0-100%, and indefinite.  Net efficiency is net output over net input.  At 100% and greater efficiency, the net input is therefore zero.  X/0 = indefinite.  If one were to have a machine that supposedly put out 6X what went into it, 1X output reroutes to the input and now there is this 5X the original input coming out for zero input.  It is meaningless to talk about percentage gains of machines that do not consume net input.  The only meaningful values of such a hypothetical apparatus are the: continuous output power, volume, weight, cost, etc.

I was about to log off for another year - but this is very relevant for discussion.

I do not claim it is the best or only way - yet:

This is just what we do is to separate the internal operational cost from the total output.

We "name plate" the system by its Net out put - (continuous excess power).

Ideal is the total ability of the system.

We use the "Ideal"  Versus "Net" to compare cost.

We use Internal cost to Net to quote efficiency.
....

As an Example - we have a Net 5 hp power system - single layer and Pod (dual system of course) seven foot wide and ten feet tall - provides roughly 41,300 pounds continuous force at 3 rpm

It is big for a 3.7Kw system - and comparatively costly - for the energy out versus foot print.

Now add layers  - the same foot print - 150kw - much more structural requirement - at over 200k pounds force.

Another point:

Cost is a balance between capital cost and consumption value.

Here consumption value is .10 kwh - but it is .45 kwh in many parts of the world.

.............

..............Our Rotry TAZ (RTAZ) is a different bird - it has nearly ZERO (just friction loss as an internal cost - which is why we reported CoP of over 9 last year.... (the engineeers calculated a CoP of 13 - but that was just "ideal" not real world testing.

With the RTAZ - load or regenerative braking must be applied.

So what is the best way to compare it in a Under unity - only -  educational system?

 ???

Wayne

So far describing this system has just been - Name plate and fabrication cost comparison.



Offline mrwayne

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1180 on: February 21, 2014, 02:19:13 PM »

From 2012


Quote from: mrwayne on October 1 2012 on his web siteWe expect to be finished by the end of the week - assuming all goes semi well (parts delivery)and we will be ready for the Validation!


Quote from: mrwayne on May 28, 2012, 03:20:19 PMI always keep my word, and I tell the truth even when it hurts

Power - what is your point - business directions, and who we deal with changes.

210 solidly educated members of our company, three legal teams (1 Business, two engineers) - checked out our work and honesty - and you keep digging for scraps - to spin against my character....

I am sorry if I ever hurt you.

Wayne

Offline MarkE

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1181 on: February 21, 2014, 02:42:21 PM »
To All:

In my recent posted Photo's, I show:

Our HR Office,

A couple Zydro paintings from our build teams.

Two of the systems built during our replication challenge.

.....

No, I did not post pictures of any of our upgrades to the ZED, nor did I post pictures from our other four systems.

As has always been my policy - I did invited visitors, gave my personal phone number and HR address.

I also made it very clear - we do not seek, accept, nor need any funding.

Really? Are you very certain you do not want to amend that story?  Have you told everyone?  Some people could be under the distinct impression you would like them to write checks.
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.......

I also made it clear that I do not need permission from any person or skeptic to build my company - nor do I need permission to provide clean energy - neither do any of you.

No, but you would need a physical means to provide that energy.  There you come up lacking.
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Last year in January - we reorganized as a company - My friend Mark D and some of the men he introduced me to - helped and were instrumental in that decision.

Yet, I do not see your "friend Mark D" endorsing either you or your company.  Mark D is a big on promoting working alternative energy methods.  Why isn't he promoting your claims?
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In short - we stopped spending our time and resources trying to please the people who apply no effort to help, or have no intention or ability to help - and we focused on developing our systems for the customer, building our company to protect the product and investors.

Kindly explain how promoting false technology claims protects your investors.
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.......

We have been blessed with both - Funding and more customers than our first manufacturing facility will be able to provide.

Since you can never manufacture a working product that does as you claim, no facility will be able to meet your customers' demands.
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We are a small part of meeting a need - I encourage other inventors to keep working - building - thinking - and never be discouraged.

Perhaps there is a Darwinistic need to separate investors from their cash by making false claims.  In that you may be doing well.
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God Bless you all.

Wayne Travis

Offline powercat

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1182 on: February 21, 2014, 02:51:03 PM »
Power - what is your point - business directions, and who we deal with changes.

210 solidly educated members of our company, three legal teams (1 Business, two engineers) - checked out our work and honesty - and you keep digging for scraps - to spin against my character....

I am sorry if I ever hurt you.

Wayne
They are not "scraps" they are your actual words, you repeatedly lied to people and promise them things you cannot deliver.
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I always keep my word, and I tell the truth even when it hurts
You must be in so much pain,,,,but of course not as you don't tell the truth.

Offline MarkE

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1183 on: February 21, 2014, 02:52:21 PM »
I was about to log off for another year - but this is very relevant for discussion.
Is this a Merlin-esque kind of thing?  Merlin only had to sleep for nine moons.
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I do not claim it is the best or only way - yet:

This is just what we do is to separate the internal operational cost from the total output.

The only costs you have separated are your operating costs from your pockets which you have transferred to your investors, who unfortunately for them, will never see those costs recovered.
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We "name plate" the system by its Net out put - (continuous excess power).

That makes it easy for the engraver:  "Continuous Output Power:  0.00 Watts.  Do Not Exceed Rated Limits" fits all shapes and sizes of your product.
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Ideal is the total ability of the system.

We use the "Ideal"  Versus "Net" to compare cost.

Something for nothing means that there is no cost to compare.  If you have input energy "cost", then you do not have over unity.
Quote

We use Internal cost to Net to quote efficiency.
....

As an Example - we have a Net 5 hp power system - single layer and Pod (dual system of course) seven foot wide and ten feet tall - provides roughly 41,300 pounds continuous force at 3 rpm

It is big for a 3.7Kw system - and comparatively costly - for the energy out versus foot print.

Force is neither energy nor power.  The continuous output power of your 3.7kW system is: 0.00W.
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Now add layers  - the same foot print - 150kw - much more structural requirement - at over 200k pounds force.

Again:  Force is neither energy nor power.  The foundation to my home weighs many tons.  Yet it does no work.
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Another point:

Cost is a balance between capital cost and consumption value.

Here consumption value is .10 kwh - but it is .45 kwh in many parts of the world.

Unfortunately, no amount of static force yields a single Joule much less a kWh.
Quote
.............

..............Our Rotry TAZ (RTAZ) is a different bird - it has nearly ZERO (just friction loss as an internal cost - which is why we reported CoP of over 9 last year.... (the engineeers calculated a CoP of 13 - but that was just "ideal" not real world testing.

COP figures are applicable to things like heat pumps, not generators.
Quote

With the RTAZ - load or regenerative braking must be applied.

So what is the best way to compare it in a Under unity - only -  educational system?

 ???

Wayne

So far describing this system has just been - Name plate and fabrication cost comparison.
Your missives include gross misrepresentations of reality.

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #1184 on: February 21, 2014, 02:53:57 PM »
One more note:

When our systems are finished with Alpha and Beta testing, I will lend the "Replication group" one of our systems - to enter the O/U contest - and they can split the prize.

They Earned It.

Best Wishes Red, Tom M, Webby, Chris, Larry, and Mike.

Wayne Travis
On the 51st of never all manner of strange and wonderful things might happen.  Or they might not happen.