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Author Topic: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".  (Read 391013 times)

Offline synchro1

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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #405 on: July 16, 2013, 01:11:26 AM »
Gyula,


         There's a trick to it knave! The bifilar throws a bigger spark, and can Impulse Magnetize the nail core
more deeply then the single wire version when the field collapses! That's the way to get it to work. How come you haven't tried it yet?


          Get a 9 volt wall outlet transformer and try try the A.C. test while your at it.

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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #406 on: July 16, 2013, 01:47:18 AM »
Two single wire Hot Plates held one one over the other would melt after you turned the heat up all the way under one, not transfer power like JLN's Gegene and receiver! Think about this.

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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #407 on: July 16, 2013, 02:13:50 AM »
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Two single wire Hot Plates held one one over the other would melt after you turned the heat up all the way under one, not transfer power like JLN's Gegene and receiver! Think about this.

C'mon Synchro1, really.  From your clips you sound like a grown man between 45 and 55 years old, please act like one.  Your talk about "hot plates" is absolutely and utterly ridiculous.  We have seen similar shenanigans like this from you in the past.

I will only say this once so if you make posts like that in the future I will ignore them.

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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #407 on: July 16, 2013, 02:13:50 AM »
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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #408 on: July 16, 2013, 06:21:26 AM »
From the way you sound I would  place your age at teenage punk!

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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #409 on: July 16, 2013, 06:36:01 AM »
Synchro1:

This thread could use a video clip as a diversion:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PinCg7IGqHg

Advice for you:  Grow up and act like a man.  Be honest.  Loose the "freaky electronics crazy man" routine.

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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #410 on: July 16, 2013, 07:02:51 AM »
"The coil for electro-magnets patent is not about lifting magnets as such. But
it is definitely about negating reactance, which is not an issue with
uninterrupted DC. So it's about pulsed and AC magnets."[/size]


Gyula's in an exchange with a guy over at Energetic Forum who got greater compass deflection from a bifilar. [/size]

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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #411 on: July 16, 2013, 02:33:21 PM »
Tesla was slick.  In his patents he always presents a lesson.  In his patent for using cooling devices he for some reason applied for the patent then said it was useless.  To negate resistance problems in his freely oscillating transformer secondaries instead of using refrigeration  he ends up implying just increase the self-inductance of the windings.  The induced voltage will cancel out any voltage drop due to resistance.  Another thing that is confusing me is,  in his patents pertaining to the magnifying transmitter I don't see any disruption device.  No spark gap-no nothing just a capactior or a generator.    Last thing I knew a capacitor can only act as a dc current source.   Also in earlier patents he referenced the use of a dynamo feeding his primaries to start oscillations in his secondaries.  Again no reference to a switching device.  I think he alternately condenses the local electrical field into a condensor.  The local electrical field is rarified.   Mother nature abhors a vacuum and pours some more whatever it is thingies into the rarified situation.   He makes sure that the condensor is discharged after the local electrical field is back to status quo.  The electricity leaving the condensor expands in the scalar field and therefore causes a displacement wave to travel in the scalar electric field.  He is directly effecting whatever produces charge therefore is immune to losses involved moving mass about.

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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #412 on: July 16, 2013, 03:18:24 PM »
Look, get Gyula to run 9 volt A.C. through his iron core biflilar and test the magnetic pull and heat. Then try and run that same 9 volt A.C. current through the single wire version, then compare the heat and pull to the bifilars. I can tell you right off the bat that the single wire coil will very shortly grow too hot to touch, while the series bifilar remains cool! Why don't you try it "Hawkings"? Practicly everyone has tried to run A.C through a single wire electromagnet and caused an electicel fire.

Hi synchro1,

How can I exactly go about to test the magnetic pull and heat when the 50 or 60 Hz AC current is used? Please describe the details.

(Both my single and bifilar coils have about 417 and 423 uH inductance respectively, and 1.6 Ohm DC resistance. So the AC reactance at 50 or 60 Hz is about 0.13 to 0.15 Ohm, a negligible value beside the 1.6 Ohm DC resistance, so in case of a 12V wall outlet transformer the AC current taken by any of the coils is about 12 V/1.73 Ohm = 6.9 Amper. I repeat: for both coils.)

...
Gyula's in an exchange with a guy over at Energetic Forum who got greater compass deflection from a bifilar.

In fact, the guy has disappeared for 4 days now, left unanswered questions on his setup and on the bifilar coil test setup used by two yahoo group members he had referred to. 
By the way, using a compass for comparing fields demand much higher precision to observe than using paper clips or nuts because less than a mm difference in the distances already can give high differences in compass deflection.

Gyula

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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #413 on: July 16, 2013, 03:31:12 PM »
Gyula,

What about using a Hall effect sensor to detect the strength of the alternating B field? Even a DC sensor might provide adequate measurement (half-wave)? It may be worth a try.

Google the "UGN3503". It is flat to 23kHz.

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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #414 on: July 16, 2013, 06:22:28 PM »
Google the "UGN3503". It is flat to 23kHz.
But it may be out of production. Patrick's book suggests the A1302. Is this OK?

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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #415 on: July 16, 2013, 08:32:12 PM »
Hi poynt99,

I agree, using a Hall sensor is a good idea, thanks.

@Paul

The book suggestion is correct, the A1302 has a typical 20 kHz bandwidth and other parameters are also much similar or the same.


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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #416 on: July 17, 2013, 12:25:24 AM »
Tesla was slick.  In his patents he always presents a lesson.  In his patent for using cooling devices he for some reason applied for the patent then said it was useless.  To negate resistance problems in his freely oscillating transformer secondaries instead of using refrigeration  he ends up implying just increase the self-inductance of the windings.  The induced voltage will cancel out any voltage drop due to resistance.  Another thing that is confusing me is,  in his patents pertaining to the magnifying transmitter I don't see any disruption device.  No spark gap-no nothing just a capactior or a generator.    Last thing I knew a capacitor can only act as a dc current source.   Also in earlier patents he referenced the use of a dynamo feeding his primaries to start oscillations in his secondaries.  Again no reference to a switching device.  I think he alternately condenses the local electrical field into a condensor.  The local electrical field is rarified.   Mother nature abhors a vacuum and pours some more whatever it is thingies into the rarified situation.   He makes sure that the condensor is discharged after the local electrical field is back to status quo.  The electricity leaving the condensor expands in the scalar field and therefore causes a displacement wave to travel in the scalar electric field.  He is directly effecting whatever produces charge therefore is immune to losses involved moving mass about.

The Magnifying transmitter Patent http://www.google.com/patents?id=m7R9AAAAEBAJ&pg=PA1&source=gbs_selected_pages&cad=2#v=onepage&q&f=false shows a capacitor on the primary to indicate that primary is tuned. THe interrupter goes further back and as he states quite clearly and I have mentioned numerous times, the primary can be excited by an alternator or by an interrupter. Many people tune their primaries with a capacitor. With my coil the primary is resonant only when the spark gap is conducting.

When we couple the high voltage transformers to the primary circuit we should also tune the HV transformer primaries for power factor correction to reduce unwanted or false currents.  ;) See attachment. See the PFC cap on the input to the MOT's.

If an alternator is used the capacitor is basically power factor correction which is basically an almost resonant or resonant condition.

Tesla states that the primary can be excited in any manner desired as long as the resonant condition is achieved with the maximum potential at the top of the oscillating circuit, or the top of the extra coil as we usually refer to it.

For the transmission of power (not signals) an alternator and a high rate of transformation would work better. For signals and producing enormous potentials with minimum input power then an interrupter would work better, still in all cases Tesla intended the primary to be excited on every cycle in my opinion. If using a high frequency alternator then it would be necessary to do so.

He states in the patent the primary can be excited in any desired manner so long as resonance is achieved. Any wave shape can be used and the oscillating circuit will produce continuous sine wave if properly tuned and excited.

The idea is to produce a continuous sine wave and with continuous sine waves the energy is less likely to "break out" from the top terminal than if radical transients are produced. As well it makes a carrier wave I guess. And if the planet was resonated it would resonate with sine waves.

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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #417 on: July 17, 2013, 12:27:51 AM »
does anyone here see a switching device

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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #418 on: July 17, 2013, 02:38:10 AM »
Gyula,

What about using a Hall effect sensor to detect the strength of the alternating B field? Even a DC sensor might provide adequate measurement (half-wave)? It may be worth a try.

Google the "UGN3503". It is flat to 23kHz.

That would be interesting. Probably a coil of wire and a scope would do also.

Im looking at testing the difference with my rotor. Will have the rotor set in a position and arrange the coils for 1 timed pulse and see how far around it goes for either regular or bifi coils. A pendulum would be interesting also. Have a magnet as the weight of the pen, and mount the coil to the base facing the resting magnet and see how far the pen moves on impulse.

What I have to prove is that a bifilar coil can be beneficial to a pulse motor. As Milehigh says it cannot be. So im going to do solid tests where the output is physical motion. Not that I dont feel other tests are valuable, but the motor will tell me exactly the differences between coils will be in a pulse motor. Im in the belief that using the fine wire and lots of it in bifi will have substantial capacitance. over 10,000 ft 42 awg(total). 70 some thousand turns. Im not forgetting about the resistance. But its the inductance of this mass of 24 coils in series bifi(described the connections earlier) that is what I see as an impediment in getting max current during pulse times. So what if the bifi neutralizes the self inductance of this large inductance like the patent says? We end up with a field that is produced much faster than a normal coil, of which should have a meatier pulse, more impact, or even a faster field expansion to induce a secondary all because the cap 'in the coil' wants to be filled.  ;D

So the bifi coils Ill be winding will have some decent capacitance. They should get to max current flow much quicker than the normal coils Im winding now.  Will see.

If the rotor gets to speeds that pulse the bifi coils at their resonant freq, I suppose there will be some kind of effect from it in that range.  But that is a secondary goal to all this.


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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #419 on: July 17, 2013, 01:53:35 PM »
@farmhand


   So his alternator would probably be a high frequency alternator of some type?  By varying the rpm on the alternator he could increase the rate of input exciting the tank.   The tank basically transforms and STORES the input.  The watts in are stored and show up as a huge standing wave with voltages between node and antinode of the standing wave in the millions.   You can do this with a piece of coax by increasing the standing wave ratio towards infinity.  At some point the current will cause a melt down or the voltage will compromise the dielectric.   The whole mt must have been modulated as a function of the frequency of the impulses supplied to the primary.   Not changing the frequency of the tank but changing the amplitude of the standing waves in tune with the number of impulses per second.   The field surrounding the open terminals of the tank would be alternating in intensity while overall they would be held at a very high potential.  The terminals would form  electrical monopoles whose charge state would be fluctuating minutely compared to the overall state of charge maintained there.  I sometimes wonder if he was using the coulumb force developed between the top node and the Earth to create high frequency seismic waves.   He did spend alot of time on making sure the tower was anchored well.  It is reported that he was talking about causing the whole Earth to quiver.   The pyramids have a free standing mass inside the kings chamber that is in connection with a resonate chamber and a tunnel leading to what appears to be some sort of electrolysis process.  ( liquid tank with electrodes down one end).  Could be the priests were just causing explosions and playing around with uranium in the granite they mined to keep the temple bottom line in the black.  The faithful stop adoring pharoh with their earned income the priests get the Gods pissing and moaning for more loot by causing explosions in the pyramids shooting light out the portals shockwaves rocking the town and the whole pyramid lighing up due to piezo electric effects in the crystals mixed into the gypsum.    But it could be some kind of seismic wave broadcast at high frequencies to jiggle wires by loadstones miles away from the epicenter.

 

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