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Author Topic: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".  (Read 391144 times)

Offline MileHigh

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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #330 on: July 10, 2013, 05:25:38 AM »
Magluvin:

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Where did 'you' get that information from other than in your head???

Are you able to apply your intelligence and what you have leaned in your life or do you just want to ask these questions for some crazy reason?  You grew up in a world with broadcast TV and radio I assume?  You are 250 km away from the tower.  How big is your slice of the total available power if you have a 10-meter diameter antenna?

http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3d05596b465ce04f

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Do you know what eventually happened to Wardenclyffe tower and why??

I think the legend is that JP Morgan wanted to shut it down!

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Didnt have the time?

How big was the power plant next to the tower?  I can't remember, perhaps he just tapped into the local available mains power?  I watched a few documentaries a few years ago and I don't remember much.  I suppose if I was a big Tesla fan I would remember more details.

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If you cant provide the sources then you are inventing it as you go.

Granted 100 years ago people probably would not be concerned to be continuously bathed in high levels of low frequency EM power.  I was thinking in a modern context.

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First off, your argument before was that the freq of operation would be too high to be useful in any way for a pulse motor

You are still confusing the AC and DC pulse applications of the coil.  I explained to you twice that the AC operation does not translate into fast current increase when you apply a DC pulse to the motor.  You wouldn't acknowledge your mistake and just slinked away.  I never commented on the resonant frequency and applied it to pulse motor applications.

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I believe there must be something to it and you are here to discourage those that post about it when ever they do

Is somebody watching you Magluvin?  Are the feds shining a laser on your apartment window and listening in on your conversations and detecting the RPM of your pulse motor?

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Tesla did invent 'AC power' as we know it today.

He engineered the production and transmission of AC power and certainly that required the invention of tons of stuff.  I think it was Faraday that discovered AC induction and in that sense perhaps you could say that he "invented" it.  There is another school of thought that says that AC induction was always there and we just needed the critical events of discovery and application.  So in my opinion I give credit to Faraday and Tesla respectively to those milestones.

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You are a suppressor.

They are shining laser beams on all your windows Magluvin, I suggest that you cover them all up with cardboard.

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I was trying to keep my cool but you just opened the biggest can of stink Ive heard in a while.

You said a while back that you were even more determined to do some testing.  Bring something new and exciting to the table Magluvin and we can all have a look at it.  Or perhaps the Tesla fanboys are just fawning over a patent that really doesn't do that much when you look at it rationally.

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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #330 on: July 10, 2013, 05:25:38 AM »

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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #331 on: July 10, 2013, 05:55:41 AM »
Magluvin:

Are you able to apply your intelligence and what you have leaned in your life or do you just want to ask these questions for some crazy reason?  You grew up in a world with broadcast TV and radio I assume?  You are 250 km away from the tower.  How big is your slice of the total available power if you have a 10-meter diameter antenna?

http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3d05596b465ce04f

I think the legend is that JP Morgan wanted to shut it down!

How big was the power plant next to the tower?  I can't remember, perhaps he just tapped into the local available mains power?  I watched a few documentaries a few years ago and I don't remember much.  I suppose if I was a big Tesla fan I would remember more details.

Granted 100 years ago people probably would not be concerned to be continuously bathed in high levels of low frequency EM power.  I was thinking in a modern context.

You are still confusing the AC and DC pulse applications of the coil.  I explained to you twice that the AC operation does not translate into fast current increase when you apply a DC pulse to the motor.  You wouldn't acknowledge your mistake and just slinked away.  I never commented on the resonant frequency and applied it to pulse motor applications.

Is somebody watching you Magluvin?  Are the feds shining a laser on your apartment window and listening in on your conversations and detecting the RPM of your pulse motor?

He engineered the production and transmission of AC power and certainly that required the invention of tons of stuff.  I think it was Faraday that discovered AC induction and in that sense perhaps you could say that he "invented" it.  There is another school of thought that says that AC induction was always there and we just needed the critical events of discovery and application.  So in my opinion I give credit to Faraday and Tesla respectively to those milestones.

They are shining laser beams on all your windows Magluvin, I suggest that you cover them all up with cardboard.

You said a while back that you were even more determined to do some testing.  Bring something new and exciting to the table Magluvin and we can all have a look at it.  Or perhaps the Tesla fanboys are just fawning over a patent that really doesn't do that much when you look at it rationally.

MileHigh

"I think the legend is that JP Morgan wanted to shut it down!"

Lol the legend. You are a suppressor. You 'think' but you know nothing. Why did he 'want it shut down'???? And how was it shut down????


"Granted 100 years ago people probably would not be concerned to be continuously bathed in high levels of low frequency EM power.  I was thinking in a modern context."

But you said it as if it were back then and like everyone was aware of these things. And you try to cover your butt with that crap???   8) 8)


"I can't remember, perhaps he just tapped into the local available mains power?  I watched a few documentaries a few years ago and I don't remember much."

See?? Right there. You are so full of speculation as if it were fact, and all from a documentary of which you admittedly dont remember much of!!!  It is you that is spreading the crap around, not Jbigs.  Or you do know Teslas history and you are posting disinformation in place of the truth. Which is it??? You do know, or you dont know much???? ;)   Either way it doesnt look good for you. 8) 8)



"Is somebody watching you Magluvin?  Are the feds shining a laser on your apartment window and listening in on your conversations and detecting the RPM of your pulse motor?"

lol, youre an idiot. Little suppressor boy. 8)



"So in my opinion I give credit to Faraday and Tesla respectively to those milestones."

Just as suppressors of Tesla do. Thats you.   8) 8)




"They are shining laser beams on all your windows Magluvin, I suggest that you cover them all up with cardboard."

Is that what you guys do these days, shine lasers into windows?  Interesting. Why would you want to do that? :-*



"Or perhaps the Tesla fanboys are just fawning over a patent that really doesn't do that much when you look at it rationally."

You seem to put a lot of time into this allegedly useless patent. For what?  There are no new readers or posters here, not enough to put up the continuous slobber of lies you dribble over and over again.  8) 8)


Its your credibility that is on the table here. You falsify info and declare it as fact. Then you claim you dont remember much about it all. Idiot. ;)


Mags

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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #332 on: July 10, 2013, 06:06:04 AM »
I have a suggestion for you Magluvin:

Go back though Jbignes5's postings and pick his top 20 fantastical claims about the Tesla series bifilar coil and ask him for references.  Also ask him for the answer to the question about the big brain teaser circuit with the single component so he can establish some credibility.

I think that you can get duct tape real cheap on eBay.  lol

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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #332 on: July 10, 2013, 06:06:04 AM »
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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #333 on: July 10, 2013, 06:08:02 AM »
What a silly ass! 

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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #334 on: July 10, 2013, 06:14:43 AM »
What's your answer to the brain teaser Synchro1?  lol

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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #334 on: July 10, 2013, 06:14:43 AM »
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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #335 on: July 10, 2013, 01:36:15 PM »
 Mags and everyone else just stop responding to the moron. He has shown that he is not in the field of electronics. That his memory about things is not so good and that his logical fallacies are soo deep that nothing makes sense when he opens his mouth.


 Just ignore him. Thats what I am going to do. He can not disrupt this process any longer because we have the ability to just ignore him. Exercise that ability and he will go away. If it becomes a real problem then I will be talking to Stephan about this. But for now he is harmless. Nothing he says makes sense and certainly his sketchy information has zero credibility. He has stated that this is for fun only which means it's a joke to him. To me it looks like he is a very small man with nothing better to do then disrupt conversations about legitimate subjects.


 Do a google search for milehigh and you will see his track record of this bad behavior on other forums.

 Lets just recap what real history remembers of Tesla and how important his work really was to our past and current world:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yC7BEStQ6kg

 Lets now dig into what powers these devices and what the difference is between these two forms of energy. I say forms because it is the same energy but used in different methods.

 Eric Dollard is the number one expert in this field. Here is an old video of Eric stating what transverse and longitudinal energy is and the proper method to analyze the two forms.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BnCUBKgnnc

 My ideas on this process work with the bifilar coil and resemble what real scientists are researching today.

 http://p124374.typo3server.info/index.php?id=1591

 Are we understanding how the bifilar can be used in the above link?

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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #336 on: July 10, 2013, 04:40:33 PM »
Jbignes5:

It's incredible how polarized the world is these days and this thread here is just a microcosm illustrating that fact.  You have to realize that when it comes to analyzing this coil and it's merits or lack of merits I am being serious.

Is the coil special in some extraordinary way or is that just wishful thinking?  And the state of affairs right now is that there is no logical reason to assume that the coil will do anything extraordinary.  The properties of the coil have been discussed and there is nothing special to report.  That's why I have put forth the challenge for someone to demonstrate something to make a case for the coil being special.  More than a month ago I challenged anybody to suggest a use for this coil that takes advantage of any "special properties" and not a single person has submitted a proposal.

I am going to quote myself from a few postings back from when I was debating with you and others so I know that you read this:

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Here is the real point that I think sums it up nicely:  Any coil, and I mean any coil, will have its inductance and frequency response characteristics, and the associated stray capacitance characteristics, the DC pulse response characteristics, magnetic field pattern, etc.  Certainly there is room for a lot of variation when you look at those characteristics.  But the key point is that they are still all fundamentally coils and will work as per the differential and integral equations that define that two-terminal device.

Why do I say, "two-terminal device?"  Because when you strip it down to the bare bones, all that you have is two terminals and you can apply some sort of stimulus to those two terminals (pulse, AC, etc.) and then see how those two terminals respond.  You can put any kind of inductor across those two terminals hidden inside a black box and by observing how those two terminals respond you can deduce that there is an inductor connected to those two terminals.  (That's why I hate the fact that you guys call the Tesla cola a "bifilar" coil.)

So you can put any standard coil, or a Tesla series bifilar coil, or a Rodin coil across those two terminals and by making measurements you can determine that yes indeed it is a coil and then you can determine the other parameters.

And then in your posting you state, "Mags and everyone else just stop responding to the moron. He has shown that he is not in the field of electronics."  You also said, "Nothing he says makes sense and certainly his sketchy information has zero credibility."

Well Jbignes5, I don't say it very often but I am an ex electrical engineer.  Really.  I have done all of the experiments on the bench with coils to understand them and characterize them.  From reading your postings I can tell you with 100% confidence that I understand electronics way better than you will ever in your entire life.  And I am not even a hard core electronics guy.

Whether you realize it or not or like it or not, this is your Twilight Zone moment Jbignes5.  Clearly from your postings, when it comes to coils and electronics, you are the "moron" that is living in an artificial Twilight Zone belief system of your own making.  You can't give the solution for a circuit that consists of just a single solitary coil connected to a voltage source, but at the same time you can "talk the talk" about your Tesla coil fantasies and believe it.  I asked that you that question after all your bluster and chest thumping to make you think, and to try to get some juices flowing.

I am more than willing to see if someone can demonstrate something "fantastical" about the coil.  However, as I quoted myself above, the Tesla series bifilar coil is just a coil with slightly different characteristics.  You are welcome to try to prove otherwise.  And that's were the educational aspect comes in for everybody.  Let's look at this 19th century patent WITHOUT your "Twilight Zone" frame of reference and see it for what it really is, not for what you fantasize it is.

This whole thing is a quasi Rosemary Ainslie experience and just shows how the human condition is messed up in the 21st century.   How messed up is it?   You are completely convinced you know what you are talking about but at the same time you can't even answer a question about the simplest possible circuit that makes use of a coil.  That's pretty damn messed up.

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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #336 on: July 10, 2013, 04:40:33 PM »
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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #337 on: July 10, 2013, 05:50:20 PM »
 So to continue my thoughts on this subject I will again refer to my modification of the Tesla bifilar coil.


 If we start to look at all of the links I posted we start to understand with a bias e-field we should be able to raise the output to overcome the base line resistance of the coil. Would this net more energy out.. No idea but it does allow us to impress the bias on top of the current pulses going into the bifilar directly. This should have the same effect as in the laser amplifier example I have given before.


 Here is the design again, pictured below.

 The blue circle is the e-field bias emitter and the center region is the ground or focus element for the e-field. This should bias the bifilar coil with a high voltage and raise the energy in the pulses of charges running through the bifilar coil arrangement. The very thin lines going to the center represent the Longitudinal e-field. The premise is that when the very thin lines propagate they cut the wires of the bifilar and raise the voltage level of that bifilar coil as the charges or current flow through the bifilar coil. As with a lens it should amplify the power by excitation. Longitudinal energy as we have learned flow in the inwards and outwards directions along those very thin lines. Hence the term longitudinal. Supporting circuitry will be a high voltage pulser circuit that should not cost much in current. Timing of the pulse entering the bifilar should be synchronized with the exciter circuitry. This way we should see the same effect as in current pulse laser technology.

 The source for the exciter loop can be driven from a crystal battery that I have done work on myself with Ibpointless and J Bedini. The latter having very limited input to my involvement because of me leaving EF.

 This means that we can be very green in this sense and despite the costs of the material of the device will extract energy from the environment via heat for little expense. This is just my aim in these experiments and this system was my answer to the limited current ability of the first crystal batteries. Unfortunately because of heath problems I had to postpone my work on this. I am now in better health and getting ready to do real work and not just spout gibberish about subjects I have no clue about.

 Do you not hear the sound of one hand clapping in the wind? Don't worry he will leave eventually.


 Another way to accomplish the same thing passively would be to add a high voltage flat bifilar coil as a reflector onto one side that is self terminated. This should convert the magnetic field of the bifilar low voltage coil into higher voltages that might be synchronized to the pulses going into the low voltage bifilar coil. Would this work well that is yet another experiment that is planned.

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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #338 on: July 11, 2013, 04:02:15 AM »


 Here is the design again, pictured below.

 

Yes, thats the way I believe a pancake transformer should work, with the primary on the same plane. Thats the way it is illustrated in Tesla's patents. But it is a rare sighting to see others doing it this way.

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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #339 on: July 11, 2013, 07:09:24 AM »
   This is an interesting read for those interested in ambient energy.   

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« Reply #340 on: July 11, 2013, 01:37:57 PM »
Yes, thats the way I believe a pancake transformer should work, with the primary on the same plane. Thats the way it is illustrated in Tesla's patents. But it is a rare sighting to see others doing it this way.

Mags


 Well it is not quite a transformer in a true sense of the word. The loop around the bifilar coil will be used as an exciter element for the purpose of biasing the current that goes through the bifilar coil. Of course I could also use a reflector type design to receive the heavy magnetic field from the flat side of the bifilar coil and convert it to very high voltages in a passive manner and rebroadcast that high voltage via the electric field back into the bifilar coil in theory. This could be accomplished by using a different gauge wire for the regular pancake solenoid reflector when compared to the gauge of the bifilar. But distance, phase and size of the coils will be an issue an might not work the way I am thinking in the passive mode. Maybe like Lasersaber has done we might try very close reflection distances to remove some of these expected problems. The phase problem will have to be worked studied more before I comment any further on the reflector.


 Now as mentioned this has been done before to a degree. I believe lasersaber has done some work in this direction. So there is some roadwork done already. Thane Hines has done work in this direction as well with a buried high voltage coil inside of a heavy current coil and has found that it does Speed up a rotor. This speed increase is essentially free but it was never been researched beyond a certain point. We might even have to change the geometry of the bifilar coil to a tube like coil setup and use a toroid as the concentrating medium like Stivep has done before. But then we have to deal with saturation effects of the medium we choose to focus the magnetic force. One way to get around this might be to get rid of the medium of ferrite as in the example of the new device of Akula (Kapanadze style device) and make an air coil setup on a donut form that is non conductive. Well I think maybe I have gone too far and should wait for my material to come in the mail before speculating any further.


 Lets hear your guys ideas and experiences on this subject.

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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #341 on: July 11, 2013, 07:06:37 PM »

@Jbigness5,

Just wire it up. I bet anything will work. All the phase problems you imagine will most likely solve themselves once it's built.


Do you have any references for Thane's twin coil? This sounds like the Mag Amp design Skycollection uses with his lenz delay effect Toroid Pancake. The series bifliar is universally acknowledged as a superior pick up coil as well as a transmitter as shown by Tinselkoala.


The PM output coil core or "coil core" coil both interfere with the overall operating efficiency of the coil retarding the pole shift, producing propulsion.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1dc0DPFpOQ&feature=em-subs_digest&list=TLXp1XUU52kgE
« Last Edit: July 11, 2013, 09:31:24 PM by synchro1 »

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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #342 on: July 12, 2013, 12:03:16 AM »
Well I give up here for now.  It's obvious that it's not sinking in in the public aspect of this thread.  However, for the silent majority that are reading this thread it's another story all together.  The truth always percolates to the top in the long run.  Then the 'theatrical' aspects of this thread are just too much.  Then there is the Babel fish issue, and I am sure that the silent majority are having a chuckle or two about that one.

Jbignes5:

I look forward to seeing your tests and reports or YouTube clips, wherever your research into your claim takes you.  You have a rough sketch for a start which you posted.  Hopefully before too long you can turn that into a schematic.  It would really help to make a timing diagram that illustrates what you are talking about in your descriptions.  Then you can go to the bench and make measurements of all of your signals and also do power input and power output measurements.  I am assuming that the goal for what you are talking about is electrical over unity.

The better you document yourself and the more you relate your descriptions to your schematic and to your timing diagrams the stronger your case will be.  Then making actual bench measurements with a scope to confirm that your timing diagrams are correct, and well documented power in and power out measurements will be the icing on the cake.

I am looking forward to seeing your project develop.

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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #343 on: July 12, 2013, 04:14:01 AM »
I got a PM from Milehigh and Im going to respond to it here....

"Why do you act like this Magluvin?   Do you just 'hate' me for the sake of hating me?  What is your motivation, I would really like to know?

MileHigh"


I dont hate you. But when you come in here and downplay peoples ideas and call them Tesla fan boys and all that crap, then you post half baked statements about Tesla to further your rant, and then say that you had seen it in a documentary about Tesla years ago and you dont remember much, yeah, theres some motivation. If you think that Jbigs ideas and postings are dazed and confused, well your knowledge of Tesla is far closer to being dazed and confused as compared to Jbigs trying to actually study and figure out some things.

You dont know much about Tesla. We see that now. So why dont you come back when you educate yourself a bit on the subject, so that we can all be on the same level. ;) If you make any more false statements on Tesla, I will call you on it. So either study up or dont say it if your not sure about it. It doesnt help your case any if its not factual. Or does it? 8)    :)

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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #344 on: July 12, 2013, 04:40:28 AM »
  I think the coil functions just like Tesla designed it to.   Store up oscillations impressed on it by the 2 or 3 turn primary.  It acts the same way a tank is used to remove the carrier frequency from the signal to be amplified.  It offers infinite impedance to the passage of voltage when the voltage impressed on the blocking oscillator comes at the resonant frequency of the tank.  If the carrier frequency isn't blocked it creates noise in the signal.   The blocking oscillator incorporates resistance and the energy of the carrier frequency is changed into heat.  The generator in a Tesla magnifying transmitter is used as a negative resistance unit.   This insures no ringdown occurs.    So like he said he could develop hundreds of thousands of horsepower in the tank from a generator with a 100 horsepower engine.   If you watch guys with Tesla coils make big streamers.   After every big streamer you can here the tank filling up.   The voltage gets too high at the safety port and the high voltage is dumped to ground though the plasma formed at the sharp pointy thing used like a pressure unloader valve on a boiler.    If the guy is using a pole pig transformer at say 10kva rating these Tesla wannabee machines are storing 10kva input for about 10 seconds.   So they can get 1kva out for 100 seconds or billions of kva for a real brief energy dump.

 

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