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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #315 on: July 09, 2013, 02:28:11 PM »
 Ok so here was my point about the last link. In my real research that others here like milehigh shun or should I call him Verpies. Yes his speeches definitely sound just like Verpies. In fact Verpies is known to have multiple accounts. See Verpies has a thing for me and any time he can he uses his alt accounts to try and discredit me. This makes me think I'm really onto something here.


 So back to the direction I was going.


 Lets look at what current science knows about my last link. The Laser. This set of clips is about the laser. I know what does this have to do with the bifilar coil. Well.. To be honest not much but lets look at where it parallels magnetic interactions. And yes from what we know today light is just a electro magnetic phenomena.


  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgivGZqFcfY    Part 1
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nR0LmJbcUxU Part 2
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXGBmExbumI Part 3a
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVqoVl-CYKo   Part 3b


 Just hear me out with these. If we understand that light is a wave and that in these teachings they show us how to create an oscillator for light then we should be able to do the same thing with slower magnetic phenomena right? Isn't that what is being taught here.


 What I am proposing is a new kind of oscillator that is much like a Laser. The gain medium would be matter like powder ferrite rods. Much like a laser uses a gain medium of ruby or gasses we would use what magnetic medium is good for it. The only gain medium we could use would be ferrite or iron. Since iron would be too much of a loss then there are some nice high permeable ferrites on the market. When you watch the videos keep in mind that you can always substitute electromagnetism for light. Even in the examples of oscillators they give they have a plain tank oscillator as an example. Yes it would be slower but it is the same concept. A magnetic field laser to run the oscillations into our coil.


 Don't pay attention to Milehigh. He is not here to find anything outside of his little safe box. He is not here for overunity research, he is here to debunk Overunity and to discredit the ones who are here in honesty for this community to find a better solution to our current problems. This is what they do. In order to work in this field we must form a hardened armor against such people. Do not let them distract you with their mumbo jumbo and attacks on yours and my credibility. Forge ahead and do the experiments. See for yourself what is going on. If you fail then try again and again and again. Watch and observe the experiment and record your findings. Forge on without paying attention to the ones who make a living off of all of us. They are parasites to the human condition. They bleed us of our precious time and imagination and stifle the creative process because it would not gain them anything.

 Milehigh is not here for anything but to keep the status Quo. He has admitted this. He is here to keep the sheeple just that, sheeple. They do not want another Tesla because he would free us from the chains that bind us. Those chains are cleverly devised over tens or hundreds of years. They chain us with their math and keep us from making sense of the now labeled "anomalous" transients. Now back to the discussion.

 My original thought was to design something that was proof positive that this concept and observations are in fact based in reality. Not to listen to little men who make tons of cash off of you and me and shun anything that breaks that control over us. Just like the creator of the original light laser we must not listen to the detractors and do the experiments and learn what is real. Not what is chaining us as slaves to these guys. Do not let them stifle your wonder or chain your imagination. If others had listened to them where would we be today?

 So what is this question Milehigh? In all of this you have never even asked the question. In fact you have done nothing but say how wrong I have been about even the most simple of inductors? WHATS IS THE QUESTION oh Wonderful OZ.

 Here is something I bet you didn't know all knowing OZ. I have a degree in Electronic Technician. I have worked in the field as an electronics technician for over 10 years professionally. I have worked in the field of computers as a Computer Technician for over 20 years and I do not take this area of interest lightly. I was the best warranty Technician at the company I worked for. I was a sub-contractor for many Computer stores for 15 of those 20 years.

 Here is a question for you. What makes up a magnetic field, heck what makes up an electric field? How can these fields have order (lines)? None of these questions have been or can be answered. Yet you believe them. If not then Coil theory goes out the door because they talk about lines cutting the matter of the copper. Your theories are bunk and full of made up concepts and just because you created math to prove them does not make them any more real then what I am proposing or what I have experienced in my whole life. Care to explain what causes a toroid transformer to work? Shall we explain that one? If there is a core and the core acts like a sponge to the magnetic field then how does the toroid work? The magnetic field is supposed to be inside of the circular iron or core material, then how does the magnetic field lines cut the wire on the secondary even on the lowest of power levels? From the current understanding it can not cut the secondary, yet it does by all explanations.

 So to answer the absurd example posed by MileHigh. Who are you to tell me about the dangers of experimenting. I know full well what the dangers are and in many of my postings I have always talked about safety of the experimenter. If one is experimenting in this field they better know the dangers of that experimenting. You posed some ridiculous example of me scrambling someones brain? WTF is that about? A neural stimulator is used for muscle stimulation not brain stimulation? What kind of crap is that? If it is a medical device your talking about, why would someone be using a neural stimulator that was not designed with shielding to protect the device?

 Now you are making up absurd claims of harming others to make your attack have any meaning? Really?

 In the first place I never experiment around others. I have done most of my experiments in the basement completely surrounded by the ground and no one above me. To make such an absurd claim is getting desperate and very pointless. Anyone who knows me personally or on these forums knows that I am all about safety when experimenting with any experiment.

 Lets talk about safety of our current AC system. Have you ever walked around your house with a good EMF meter? Do you know that AC from the wires is broadcasted into our bodies by this system? Did you know that people living under power lines have a 30% higher chance of getting Cancers? So to speak about safety at this point is absurd. The current system will kill you faster then a Tesla type device ever designed. In fact Tesla when experimenting with his impulses and the Longitudinal wave said at the proper cycles per second that it was most beneficial to the human condition. That most life including Plant life thrives in it's radiations with the proper cycles a second. This value is starting at around 2k a second.

 If you are trying to state that I'm using RF you couldn't be further from the truth. Impulse technology is not Hertzian. Hertzian waves are Transverse waves not longitudinal waves. They propagate in two different methods. Of which you have no idea because you reject the concepts before you even know anything about them. When using the bifilar coil you must use Longitudinal waves, not herttzian waves. No wonder you didn't see anything from the bifilar coil thread that you dropped in on and never did the experiments to prove anything, either to yourself or others, this because of your limited belief system and you lack of understanding and experience with Tesla technology.

 You are out of your field here and I respectfully ask you to not comment on my posts again until you educate yourself on these topics Verpies. The evidence that you are an alt of Verpies is damning. You have the same style of writing and the same misconceptions as Verpies. The same below the belt attacks as Verpies too. Just give it up ok. You are not gonna stop me or anyone else from researching this technology. End of story.
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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #315 on: July 09, 2013, 02:28:11 PM »

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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #316 on: July 09, 2013, 07:20:39 PM »
Jbignes5:

I am not Verpies.  Certainly I have seen his name on the forums and must have read his postings.

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See Verpies has a thing for me and any time he can he uses his alt accounts to try and discredit me. This makes me think I'm really onto something here.

Rosemary Ainslie says similar things but certainly she isn't onto something.

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Don't pay attention to Milehigh. He is not here to find anything outside of his little safe box. He is not here for overunity research, he is here to debunk Overunity and to discredit the ones who are here in honesty for this community to find a better solution to our current problems. This is what they do. In order to work in this field we must form a hardened armor against such people. Do not let them distract you with their mumbo jumbo and attacks on yours and my credibility. Forge ahead and do the experiments. See for yourself what is going on. If you fail then try again and again and again. Watch and observe the experiment and record your findings. Forge on without paying attention to the ones who make a living off of all of us. They are parasites to the human condition. They bleed us of our precious time and imagination and stifle the creative process because it would not gain them anything.

That's the old cliche of the paranoid manifesto.  I am just here for fun and to comment on stuff from time to time.  Like I discussed qualifying a coil as a two-terminal device.  Did you read that?  I make a living off of being here?  In your fantasies only Jbignes5.  I am a parasite on the human condition?  That's a goodie.  The truth is a substantial number of "free energy professionals" are parasites on the human condition.  John Rohner of Inteligentry is one of many many examples.

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Milehigh is not here for anything but to keep the status Quo. He has admitted this. He is here to keep the sheeple just that, sheeple. They do not want another Tesla because he would free us from the chains that bind us. Those chains are cleverly devised over tens or hundreds of years. They chain us with their math and keep us from making sense of the now labeled "anomalous" transients. Now back to the discussion.

Manifesto part 2 and it's the same old story.  I am not here to "keep the status quo," you are just constructing a form of Straw Man argument.  I would be thrilled if someone solved our energy problems with some new ideas.  Sometimes when someone makes comments that are so off base and nonsensical that they can corrupt other people's understanding of electronics I will comment.  That's exactly what you did so I commented.

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So what is this question Milehigh? In all of this you have never even asked the question. In fact you have done nothing but say how wrong I have been about even the most simple of inductors? WHATS IS THE QUESTION oh Wonderful OZ.

You have an ideal inductor of three Henries.   You connect the inductor to an ideal voltage source of seven volts.  What will happen?

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Here is a question for you. What makes up a magnetic field, heck what makes up an electric field? How can these fields have order (lines)? None of these questions have been or can be answered.

I know those questions are right out of the free energy enthusiast playbook where it says ask them if someone is talking technical with you and you need a diversion.

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Your theories are bunk and full of made up concepts and just because you created math to prove them does not make them any more real then what I am proposing or what I have experienced in my whole life.

So it appears that you are anti-math because math is hard.  And then you dismiss the theories that bring you heat and light and power your computer and run the guts inside your computer?  So does that mean you are in favour of the dumbing down of society?  lol

I will respond more in part 2.

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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #317 on: July 09, 2013, 07:28:34 PM »
 Respond to this then:


 http://www.overunity.com/10043/litmus-test-fail-by-milehigh/

 On second thought just don't respond ok. Your credibility is null.

 "I know those questions are right out of the free energy enthusiast playbook where it says ask them if someone is talking technical with you and you need a diversion."

 It is not a diversion it is a valid question that is much like yours, a diversion did you call it? So your question when getting beat up so bad is to divert the Focus of this topic.

 Here is another good question. Lets look at when you use impulses into the very same coil? What happens. Now what happens when you apply those impulses to the bifilar coil. <- this you don't know at all since you have done zero work at all in this field. I mean for gods sake you don't even know that transistors can be made at home and relatively easy too.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Qph8BNrnLY

 This is a person who is demystifying electronics. Completely explains everything in the process and is able to do it at home. Please just stop with the crap you are pushing.

 For the last time I am not anti math but when you apply mathematics to explain something why the need to make things up to make it work like the electron? Then apply all that made up math to support your other crap claims.

 The first link IS who you are and when called out you either ignore it and switch the subject or you spout crap and expect people to take it for granted that it is fact.

 I on the other hand am not stating a fact I am stating my direction in experiments that I think will help us understand energy with a complete concept. These are experiments that are scheduled to be done and I posted them here because they are relevant to the discussion in this thread.

 Your intent is to discredit, attack or even discourage people to ask why or how and then prove it to them selves.

 Again the bifilar coil is not an ordinary coil. It does not operate in the same way and doesn't have the push back (false current, self inductace) that a normal solenoid coil has to any current besides they use them in wire wound resistors. If they acted like normal coils off the shelf then wire wound resistors are null and void. Obviously they are not and you argument is false. A normal coil when hooked up to a normal current like DC will resist the current flow as it charges up. This is due to the self inductance and the resistance of the wire in the normal coil. Eventually the coil will choke out the current and no current will flow until there is a change in the current. But a bifilar coil uses the capacity between the pairs of wires to cancel the self inductance. This allows the coil to convert all current into the "magnetic and electric fields" and will not resist the current flow. It also will not gain in voltage as well like a traditional coil, that process must be experimented with and data collected to figure out the difference.

 Bifilar coils will in my opinion excel in impulse technology since there is nothing in the way of a very high voltage or current impulse. This will allow the coil to convert all of the impulse into the other two components. These impulses as seen by my laser example can have values into the extreme wattage values. Mostly due to the very high currents involved. And with a new oscillator like I proposed getting those high voltage impulses would be very easy and better then solid state products now that can not handle such huge currents or voltages.

 So again for someone who doesn't know much about this process I would just stay quiet before you leave this forum like you did at the other forum.

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impulse_generator

 And as for your last statement the only dumbing down of society is you and how you are debasing the free thinkers of our society for fun as you put it. So continue to act like a fool and attacking me and others I will be talking to the owner of this forum, Stephan. This will only be done if you continue to attack me or others.

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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #317 on: July 09, 2013, 07:28:34 PM »
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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #318 on: July 09, 2013, 07:56:13 PM »
Jbignes5:

Okay here we go with part 2.

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Care to explain what causes a toroid transformer to work? Shall we explain that one? If there is a core and the core acts like a sponge to the magnetic field then how does the toroid work? The magnetic field is supposed to be inside of the circular iron or core material, then how does the magnetic field lines cut the wire on the secondary even on the lowest of power levels? From the current understanding it can not cut the secondary, yet it does by all explanations.

See, here Jbignes5, you are just exposing yourself as being clueless about electronics and also as being a bad influence on anybody learning about electronics.  I am just speechless that you are even posing these questions.  I suppose that the conclusion is that you don't understand how a toroidal transformer works.  What is implied by that is that you don't understand the basic concepts about magnetics.

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So to answer the absurd example posed by MileHigh. Who are you to tell me about the dangers of experimenting.

I gave a purely hypothetical example not to be taken literally.  Even the comment about a "neural stimulator" was purely hypothetical and not to be taken literally.  But the message is valid:  "Teaching" people nonsensical incorrect stuff about electronics so that they don't have a clue what they are doing but they believe that they know what they are doing could put an experimenter at risk.

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The current system will kill you faster then a Tesla type device ever designed. In fact Tesla when experimenting with his impulses and the Longitudinal wave said at the proper cycles per second that it was most beneficial to the human condition. That most life including Plant life thrives in it's radiations with the proper cycles a second. This value is starting at around 2k a second.

You are just talking more Tesla fantasy fan boi talk there Jbignes5.

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If you are trying to state that I'm using RF you couldn't be further from the truth. Impulse technology is not Hertzian. Hertzian waves are Transverse waves not longitudinal waves. They propagate in two different methods.

Has anybody done the "moon bounce test" yet to prove that longitudinal waves travel faster than transverse waves?  No?  This is just more fan boi talk.  When you work on your bench and say to yourself "I am working with impulse technology using longitudinal waves" your are just fooling yourself.  When you work on the bench what you observe is reality staring you in the face.  You are then superimposing your Tesla fantasies on what you see and drawing incorrect conclusions.  That's the crux of the problem.  Do you know how many times I have been told by beginning experimenters that "this is 'cold' electricity and not understood by conventional science?"  Of course it's not "cold" electricity at all, they simply don't understand what they are observing and they have been corrupted by people like you.  That's a serious issue.

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When using the bifilar coil you must use Longitudinal waves, not herttzian waves.

Big Tesla is watching you.  Ignorance is Truth.

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You have the same style of writing and the same misconceptions as Verpies.

Well I am not Verpies and you are the one with misconceptions.  I know I am not going to stop you from doing your thing.  At times though people like you should be called out to account for what you say.  It's a healthy process and we need it.  Without it there is a danger that your power of "ignorance and dumbing down" will adversely affect too many people.  A person with a limited and corrupted grasp of basic electronics needs to be held in check from time to time.  You stated a lot of fantastical and nonsensical stuff about the Tesla "cap coil" and I decided to comment.  It's unlikely that I will get into a full debate with you again.

My advice to you is to learn the basics about electronics and it will help you a lot and also give you a new and better understanding of Tesla.

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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #319 on: July 09, 2013, 08:07:58 PM »
Jbignes5:

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Respond to this then:


 http://www.overunity.com/10043/litmus-test-fail-by-milehigh/

 On second thought just don't respond ok. Your credibility is null.

You are pointing to an old thread where I already responded.

So you are trying deflection again.  I asked you the question and you are unable to answer it:

<<< You have an ideal inductor of three Henries.   You connect the inductor to an ideal voltage source of seven volts.  What will happen?  >>>

Think about this:  You made two long postings all about the Tesla "cap coil" a.k.a "series bifilar" coil extolling all the virtues for this device and making all sorts of outlandish and nonsensical claims about it and sounding very authoritative about it.

So I ask you to give us the solution for one of the simplest circuits possible that has only one component connected to the power supply, a coil.  And you can't answer the question.

It's your credibility that is null, dude.

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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #320 on: July 09, 2013, 08:41:10 PM »
Jbignes5:

You are pointing to an old thread where I already responded.

So you are trying deflection again.  I asked you the question and you are unable to answer it:

<<< You have an ideal inductor of three Henries.   You connect the inductor to an ideal voltage source of seven volts.  What will happen?  >>>

Think about this:  You made two long postings all about the Tesla "cap coil" a.k.a "series bifilar" coil extolling all the virtues for this device and making all sorts of outlandish and nonsensical claims about it and sounding very authoritative about it.

So I ask you to give us the solution for one of the simplest circuits possible that has only one component connected to the power supply, a coil.  And you can't answer the question.

It's your credibility that is null, dude.

MileHigh


 I answered your question but like some people on this forum you are not so patient when looking at the forum. And as usual you have no clue as to my credentials. I told you the credentials and how long I have been in this field of electronics but you ignore such things. I have nothing to prove to you and to tell you the truth you can not stop me period or the concepts that Tesla and many others were or are working on.

 In fact you are the one who hasn't answered one question that I posed. Hmmmm

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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #321 on: July 09, 2013, 08:51:02 PM »

 I answered your question but like some people on this forum you are not so patient when looking at the forum. And as usual you have no clue as to my credentials. I told you the credentials and how long I have been in this field of electronics but you ignore such things. I have nothing to prove to you and to tell you the truth you can not stop me period or the concepts that Tesla and many others were or are working on.


This Milehigh guy sends everyone back to first grade including Tesla. The bifilar coil capacitance changes with the charge unlike the jackass contraprtion he says does the same work. He would need to scarf a variable capacitor, or radio tuner onto his single wire coil to get it to match the bifilar's performance!  

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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
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« Reply #322 on: July 09, 2013, 11:05:28 PM »
Jbignes5:

I have some closing comments and that's most likely it because my points will have been made.

For the transistor issue.  I learned about how they get silicon and purify it.  I can't remember what the purification steps are.  Then they melt it so that the silicon is just above the melting point.  Then they take a seed crystal of pure silicon and touch it to the surface of the molten silicon and slowly draw it up and the molten silicon starts to form a large ingot of near-perfect crystallized silicon.  That might take a few weeks if I recall.  Then they slice that into thin wafers.  Then the thin wavers are bombarded with a spray of aluminum or phosphorus atoms in a vacuum chamber (if I recall correctly) in combination with a photo-lithography process to "dope" the silicon into "N" and "P" regions to make the PN and NP junctions to make transistors.  Then the wafers are cut up into dice and packaged into transistors.  This process requires multi-million dollar machines in a wafer fabrication plant that typically costs billions of dollars.

Now, I was ignorant of the fact that in the 1950s people used to look for various minerals and cleave them and put them together to make home-made transistors.  Since I was ignorant of this, mainly because I am not from that generation, and my only frame of reference was a multi-billion dollar wafer fabrication plant, I said what I said and I was wrong.  So I made a mistake out of ignorance and I have no apologies for thinking like that because it seemed too far fetched to me that you could make a transistor yourself.  None the less, in the thread I apologized for my mistake after learning that you can indeed make your own transistors.

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It is not a diversion it is a valid question

Here we are revisiting the "what is an electric field?/what does water taste like?" issue.   Here is an analogy for you:  You need new tires for your car and you go to the tire dealer.  The salesman starts to show you the latest models of tires and the prices, etc.   But you look at the salesman and stop him.   You say to him, "What is rubber, really?  What is a polymer chain, really?"  The salesman will look at you like you are nuts.  We are talking about the Tesla patent for the "series bifilar" coil here.  We are not talking about what electric fields and magnetic fields _really_ are.  That's just a diversion that I have seen many times before.

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Here is another good question. Lets look at when you use impulses into the very same coil? What happens. Now what happens when you apply those impulses to the bifilar coil. <- this you don't know at all since you have done zero work at all in this field

I can't answer that question because you are not posing it correctly.  I doubt that you are aware of that fact.  What's the circuit?  I have done lots of work on the bench believe me.

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I on the other hand am not stating a fact I am stating my direction in experiments that I think will help us understand energy with a complete concept.  Your intent is to discredit, attack or even discourage people to ask why or how and then prove it to them selves.

When I challenged you, I challenged you to make you think, to help you and the audience to understand energy, and most importantly to give the audience a balanced viewpoint so that they can make up their minds for themselves.  I am not discrediting or attacking, I am giving you the truth.  Will you understand what's going on on your bench or will you see it all through the lens of your dogma?  Will you be open to all ideas?  Those are important issues for you to contemplate.

Okay, I will break this up into two parts.

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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #323 on: July 09, 2013, 11:28:05 PM »
Jbignes5:

Here is the biggie:

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Again the bifilar coil is not an ordinary coil. It does not operate in the same way and doesn't have the push back (false current, self inductace) that a normal solenoid coil has to any current besides they use them in wire wound resistors. If they acted like normal coils off the shelf then wire wound resistors are null and void. Obviously they are not and you argument is false. A normal coil when hooked up to a normal current like DC will resist the current flow as it charges up. This is due to the self inductance and the resistance of the wire in the normal coil. Eventually the coil will choke out the current and no current will flow until there is a change in the current. But a bifilar coil uses the capacity between the pairs of wires to cancel the self inductance. This allows the coil to convert all current into the "magnetic and electric fields" and will not resist the current flow. It also will not gain in voltage as well like a traditional coil, that process must be experimented with and data collected to figure out the difference.

I will repeat that I am assuming that we are talking about the Tesla patent, "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS," as per the title of this thread.

The coil will have the same "push back" a.k.a. inductance as a similar regular coil if you give it a DC energizing pulse.  This can be easily verified on the bench.

Special attention to this comment from you, "besides they use them in wire wound resistors. If they acted like normal coils off the shelf then wire wound resistors are null and void."

They don't put the kind of coil we are talking about in wire-wound resistors.  So you are in the clouds here.  You can buy wire-wound resistors where the turns of the wire go clockwise and counter-clockwise to eliminate as much of the inductance in the wire as possible through magnetic flux self-cancellation.  This has absolutely nothing to do with what we are talking about.  So your dogma just got corrected.  See you got lucky and you have me here to educate you a bit.

Quoting you again, "But a bifilar coil uses the capacity between the pairs of wires to cancel the self inductance."

Only at the main resonant frequency.  In other words this only applies for AC excitation of the coil.  I get the strong feeling  that you thought that this cancellation of self-inductance applied to all aspects of the coil.  You need to do some soul searching Jbignes5 and open up some books.

So please think about these things Jbignes5.  No need for you to go running to "mommy" because you had a strong debate with someone on the forum.  There is a very strong peer pressure in places like this that says "I don't dare correct the posting my friend made."  I am 100% sure that you have made postings where you say stuff that I took issue with, like from your first two big postings in this thread, but nobody said anything even though your friends knew that you were wrong.  I will coin a new term for that, "Orwellian stagnation."

Finally, you clearly did not answer my question about the coil connected to the voltage source.  If you think that I am supposed to extract the answer to my question from the big paragraph in your last posting then you got the answer wrong.  So if you are up to trying again, go for it and quote the question and supply your answer.

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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #323 on: July 09, 2013, 11:28:05 PM »
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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #324 on: July 09, 2013, 11:56:39 PM »

 Easily verified. You are a liar and here is the proof:


 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvb39SwTXBE

 Since some work has been done on this already I think I shall continue without your tripe interfering.

 Strong debate is one thing but you are a person that likes to debase anything you don't understand. You get off on it and it is easily seen from your previous post history that you enjoy debasing people because they don't follow your path. This debasing is a multiple technique that you use. If you can not win you insult people and if that doesn't work you try to make other people afraid to experiment along the lines of the intended thread.

 Stop please. You are no more credible then the ones who oppose anything they don't understand or even didn't do any bench work ever. Stick to subjects you have experience with. Oh wait you are I guess... Because this is all that you do from your post history. Again why is it you have the same logical fallacies that Verpies has shown in the past with his various multiple accounts on here and your post style mimics his exactly? Never mind you statements have been proven wrong now go away and let us finish our investigations before I get mommy involved.

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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #325 on: July 10, 2013, 12:25:15 AM »
Jbignes5:

That experiment is flawed and even if it wasn't flawed what would it prove?  Differently wound coils can couple differently?  Wow that really confirms all of your "mind blowing" statements.

You couldn't answer my question about the circuit with a single inductor as the only component in the circuit.  Why should anyone listen to you about coils with that fact now established?  Don't you want to know the answer?  Do you have enough character to ask me to explain the answer to you?

For what it's worth, you were the first one to tell me that I was clueless in our debate.  I am not Verpies and you could use some character and debate like a man.  Nor am I out to debase people, I challenged you on your quasi educational stance in your postings where almost all that you posted about the Tesla "series bifilar" coil was wrong.  I challenged your ideas and statements, I didn't try to debase you.  Don't play the spin game.

Electronics is not some Tesla-inspired fantasy land.  It's real, real electronics make the world go round.  It's the largest industry in the world.  The debate is done and we have both made our points and the readers can decide for themselves.

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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #325 on: July 10, 2013, 12:25:15 AM »
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« Reply #326 on: July 10, 2013, 12:47:56 AM »
 It proves you were wrong about the difference of the two coils. Now go argue your tripe somewhere else. It proves you are wrong that there is nothing special about the coil.

 And again I answered your question. But you never answered my questions as expected.

 As for your statement about a Tesla inspired electronics fantasy land? Who exactly do you think designed the AC system you use now? Or concepts like radio transmission?

 I am trying to be civil here. You are not. " I challenged you on your quasi educational stance" and this is not debasing me? I do not wish to detract from our original conversation any further. You are derailing the thread and you are disrupting the thread. The evidence is clear there are big differences between the coils. And that was my original assertion. Everything else is proposed experiments and of course is being left to experiment on to validate. For which you responded with a statement that I might get someone hurt. That is a low tactic. Go back to the Mary Ainsely thread and get your rocks off there.

 This is the last time I respond to you "Friend".

 Here is a good way to show your ignorance of Tesla technology. This guy knows as much as you probably (nil). He doesn't even know anything about Tesla and his statements show it. Was that you in the front row?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A63u3i_O4AQ

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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #327 on: July 10, 2013, 01:01:30 AM »
Jbignes5:

Please clearly show me where you answered my question.  Please tell me what questions you want answered and I will answer them.

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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #328 on: July 10, 2013, 02:42:07 AM »
Jbignes5:

I looked at the gentleman's clip and it was very good.  It would be good for you to look at all of of his clips and and absorb the information.  It's a shame that his clips have so few views because he obviously put a lot of effort into producing them and he looks like a seasoned retired person with a wealth of experience in electronics to share.

As far as the Wardenclyffe tower goes, it was a viable early attempt at very long distance communications.  But the notion of using it to power ships at sea or power individual houses in cities goes, that would never have worked.  It's simply too inefficient, and most of the broadcast power would never make it to the end users, it would be lost.  Not to mention that to the best of my knowledge, Tesla did not have the time or finances or technology to broadcast thousands of megawatts of power though the air.  It would never have been a viable solution because perhaps for every kilowatt of power broadcast into the air, perhaps a few watts at best would make it to the end user.  So that would mean a lot of coal or oil would be burned for nothing which would be unacceptable.  The ridiculously low efficiency would make it too expensive.  Finally, nobody would want to live in a city knowing that serious amounts of lower-frequency power was being broadcast through the air.  People simply would not accept that.   So ultimately, it was an early experimental communications tower.

I have made a valuable contribution to this thread.  Instead of a bunch of back-slapping were people post that the Tesla "series bifilar" coil is the greatest thing since sliced bread, people hopefully are using their critical thinking skills and thinking more seriously about this coil.  Your argument that TK's clip shows something special because the coupling is different (which would likely be confirmed if the clip was redone and the errors corrected) is not correct.  I can wind another coil with a different geometry and the coupling will be different again.

My argument is that right now it appears the patent may have been a stop-gap measure to make an LC resonator, and no more than that.  It appears that the coil configuration is no more than a curiosity that never saw any serious application.

So I have a challenge posed to the readership of this thread and the experimenters to demonstrate something truly out of the ordinary or especially unique and advantageous associated with this "series bifilar" Tesla coil that's based on inter-woven windings of two half-coils put together.  That rules out showing that it can act like an LC resonator.  Even an ordinary coil can act as an LC resonator, and the real-world way to make an LC resonator is to mate an ordinary coil with a capacitor.  The notion that like "magic" you can quickly pump current into the coil when you DC pulse it is false, and I have covered that several times now.  There is no logical reason for that to happen.  The notion that it can produce a stronger magnetic field as compared to a similar regular coil is also false.  All of the fantastical attributes you assigned to this coil in your original two postings are also not true.  If you disagree, please by all means make a clip demonstrating your proposition.

So the challenge is still open.  Right now this coil is only marginally different from an equivalent regular coil.  I can only guess that Tesla was experimenting with an LC resonator for temporary energy storage but the project went nowhere.

You have to understand that Tesla's technology is something like five human generations removed from where we are now and in technological generations it's more like 50 generations.  Tesla didn't "invent" AC power, what he really did was apply existing knowledge and engineer a system based on the concept of AC induction.  That in itself is a major accomplishment and it was responsible for bringing power to the masses and changing the world.

So unless there is something remarkable that someone can bring to the discussion about the series bifilar Tesla coil, it looks to me like we are looking at a curiosity at best.

The problem Jbignes5 is that people see a patent from the 19th century and say to themselves, "I will use this patent to make an amazing pulse motor!!!"  In other words they read stuff into the patent that is simply not there.  Amateur experimenters make an incorrect connection between the 19th century patent and their pulse motors, among other things.

So you are welcome to bring something new and valuable to the table, preferably with a serious YouTube clip that is properly set up and properly explained with all of your measurements and conclusions properly documented in the clip itself.

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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #329 on: July 10, 2013, 04:14:58 AM »
Jbignes5:

I looked at the gentleman's clip and it was very good.  It would be good for you to look at all of of his clips and and absorb the information.  It's a shame that his clips have so few views because he obviously put a lot of effort into producing them and he looks like a seasoned retired person with a wealth of experience in electronics to share.

As far as the Wardenclyffe tower goes, it was a viable early attempt at very long distance communications.  But the notion of using it to power ships at sea or power individual houses in cities goes, that would never have worked.  It's simply too inefficient, and most of the broadcast power would never make it to the end users, it would be lost.  Not to mention that to the best of my knowledge, Tesla did not have the time or finances or technology to broadcast thousands of megawatts of power though the air.  It would never have been a viable solution because perhaps for every kilowatt of power broadcast into the air, perhaps a few watts at best would make it to the end user.  So that would mean a lot of coal or oil would be burned for nothing which would be unacceptable.  The ridiculously low efficiency would make it too expensive.  Finally, nobody would want to live in a city knowing that serious amounts of lower-frequency power was being broadcast through the air.  People simply would not accept that.   So ultimately, it was an early experimental communications tower.

I have made a valuable contribution to this thread.  Instead of a bunch of back-slapping were people post that the Tesla "series bifilar" coil is the greatest thing since sliced bread, people hopefully are using their critical thinking skills and thinking more seriously about this coil.  Your argument that TK's clip shows something special because the coupling is different (which would likely be confirmed if the clip was redone and the errors corrected) is not correct.  I can wind another coil with a different geometry and the coupling will be different again.

My argument is that right now it appears the patent may have been a stop-gap measure to make an LC resonator, and no more than that.  It appears that the coil configuration is no more than a curiosity that never saw any serious application.

So I have a challenge posed to the readership of this thread and the experimenters to demonstrate something truly out of the ordinary or especially unique and advantageous associated with this "series bifilar" Tesla coil that's based on inter-woven windings of two half-coils put together.  That rules out showing that it can act like an LC resonator.  Even an ordinary coil can act as an LC resonator, and the real-world way to make an LC resonator is to mate an ordinary coil with a capacitor.  The notion that like "magic" you can quickly pump current into the coil when you DC pulse it is false, and I have covered that several times now.  There is no logical reason for that to happen.  The notion that it can produce a stronger magnetic field as compared to a similar regular coil is also false.  All of the fantastical attributes you assigned to this coil in your original two postings are also not true.  If you disagree, please by all means make a clip demonstrating your proposition.

So the challenge is still open.  Right now this coil is only marginally different from an equivalent regular coil.  I can only guess that Tesla was experimenting with an LC resonator for temporary energy storage but the project went nowhere.

You have to understand that Tesla's technology is something like five human generations removed from where we are now and in technological generations it's more like 50 generations.  Tesla didn't "invent" AC power, what he really did was apply existing knowledge and engineer a system based on the concept of AC induction.  That in itself is a major accomplishment and it was responsible for bringing power to the masses and changing the world.

So unless there is something remarkable that someone can bring to the discussion about the series bifilar Tesla coil, it looks to me like we are looking at a curiosity at best.

The problem Jbignes5 is that people see a patent from the 19th century and say to themselves, "I will use this patent to make an amazing pulse motor!!!"  In other words they read stuff into the patent that is simply not there.  Amateur experimenters make an incorrect connection between the 19th century patent and their pulse motors, among other things.

So you are welcome to bring something new and valuable to the table, preferably with a serious YouTube clip that is properly set up and properly explained with all of your measurements and conclusions properly documented in the clip itself.

MileHigh

"I have made a valuable contribution to this thread."

I think some things you say in this post contradict that statement.

You are hammering Jbigs about him posting what you see are untruths. Well what about your statement here...."As far as the Wardenclyffe tower goes, it was a viable early attempt at very long distance communications.  But the notion of using it to power ships at sea or power individual houses in cities goes, that would never have worked.  It's simply too inefficient, and most of the broadcast power would never make it to the end users, it would be lost."

Where did 'you' get that information from other than in your head??? You now need to prove or show reference you what is in quotes above. Show me your sources for what you are saying there.

Do you know what eventually happened to Wardenclyffe tower and why??



"Not to mention that to the best of my knowledge, Tesla did not have the time or finances or technology to broadcast thousands of megawatts of power though the air. "
Didnt have the time?????  Show me your sources 'to the best of your knowledge'. ;) Oh he had the finances, and do you know why those finances were taken away????

Or maybe your knowledge, well, isnt the best. ;) So far your way off. ;D




"Finally, nobody would want to live in a city knowing that serious amounts of lower-frequency power was being broadcast through the air.  People simply would not accept that.   So ultimately, it was an early experimental communications tower."

Sources please.  If you cant provide the sources then you are inventing it as you go. I dont think there is a soul in this forum that would agree with you on any of that. ;)

nobody would want to live in a city knowing that serious amounts of lower-frequency power was being broadcast through the air. ?????????????  Dude you act as if people knew about that stuff back then as well as how to milk the cows. You have got to be kidding!!!!  First you say that the technology back then was so basic and crude, but nobody would want to live in a city knowing that serious amounts of lower-frequency power was being broadcast through the air. ????????????? Do you not see the irony there dude?????  lol  its just silly talk. or your bipolar, a flip flopper. YOUR story has a lot of quakes in it. Not cracks, literal quakes.



"My argument is that right now it appears the patent may have been a stop-gap measure to make an LC resonator, and no more than that. "

First off, your argument before was that the freq of operation would be too high to be useful in any way for a pulse motor and now just an LC resonator and nothing more. The title of the patent exclaims elctro-magnet. many of Teslas patents would state in the title if it was of a high freq nature. I have sources. ;) Your arguments are imaginary. They are in your head and you are the first to say them. :P




"The problem Jbignes5 is that people see a patent from the 19th century and say to themselves, "I will use this patent to make an amazing pulse motor!!!"  In other words they read stuff into the patent that is simply not there.  Amateur experimenters make an incorrect connection between the 19th century patent and their pulse motors, among other things."

Soooo what dude. Ive said it before and Ill say it again. You hammer on this bifi stuff so relentlessly that I believe there must be something to it and you are here to discourage those that post about it when ever they do, again and again and again. Why is that?? You dont spank the Kapanadze crowd and look how much time and efforts people have wasted on that in a million directions. Why this coil and always this coil when it is brought up????? And thats a fact. It can be proven here without a doubt. This site is the source. And you even bring posts from Farmhand, as you must be following in the bifi coil thread at Energetic.  ;) Yep, you have an itch about this coil and it aint pretty. ;) ;D   You give me faith in this coil more and more with every utterance from your mouth about this coil. its encouraging. ;) But that doesnt mean I will let your false statements stand undebated. ;)



"Tesla didn't "invent" AC power, what he really did was apply existing knowledge and engineer a system based on the concept of AC induction.  That in itself is a major accomplishment and it was responsible for bringing power to the masses and changing the world."

Tesla did invent 'AC power' as we know it today. It was him that fought to prove it was better than DC.  You give him no credit at all. 8) You are a suppressor.  8)   Ive said it before and Im saying it again just as others have in these last pages. You put out disinformation and distort what is written about tesla. 8)

I was trying to keep my cool but you just opened the biggest can of stink Ive heard in a while. You better get your facts straight or provide sources for your statements, because clearly you have a lot of it wrong. ;)


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