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Author Topic: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".  (Read 425893 times)

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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #825 on: August 23, 2014, 06:04:34 PM »
An LLC tank of two pancake coils and one variable capacitor could be powered by a D.C. power source and potentiometer. Bifilar pancake coils of 20 gauge, 4 inches in diameter match a specific capacitance for 180 khz. Two controls, a variable capacitor and power potentiometer to regulate the precise frequency and amplitude of the oscillating sine wave to match the magnet's resonating frequency. Only a few cheap components!


"Coler also invented another device called the Stromzeuger (Current Generator). He claimed that, "with an input of a few watts from a dry battery an output of 6 kW could be obtained indefinitely."

Six coil wrapped magnets, two capacitors and two solenoid coils, one sliding inside the other!


"Possibly the soft iron magnets which Coler used were subjected to such stress by ultrasonic magnetostriction from the coil windings at the 180 kHz resonant frequency".
« Last Edit: August 23, 2014, 11:34:31 PM by synchro1 »

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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #826 on: August 24, 2014, 09:00:57 PM »
This kind of dual Butterfly Capacitor is an ideal component for the "Synchro Stromzeuger". From zero to a few hundred pico farads with the normal tuner coupled to a fine tuner in the 50 pico farad range: Maximum voltage is determined by the distance between the plates. The plates can even touch if insulated for the lowest voltage operational configuration. We only need to store and deliver around twenty volts. Capacitance is determined by the thickness and surface area of the plates.

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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #827 on: August 25, 2014, 06:05:28 PM »
Voltage is independent of capacitance. Air gap "Butterfly Capacitors" are normally designed for high voltage tuning. The "Low Voltage" magnet wave variable capacitor needs to be a "Dielectric Capacitor" where the blades are compressed and separated by a high dielectric ceramic insulator. A thin film of Tungsten Carbide or Barrium Titanite coating between the snug aluminum conductor plates would work best.


Capacitors are additive in parallel, so the "Dielectric Trimmer" can be in the zero to five hundred pico farad range, and increase through coupling. I'm searching for a suitable manufactured type, but nothing has come to light as yet! The "Synchro Stromzeuger" may require this one custom built component.

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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #828 on: August 25, 2014, 07:30:07 PM »
Factors affecting capacitance:


There are three basic factors of capacitor construction determining the amount of capacitance created. These factors all dictate capacitance by affecting how much electric field flux (relative difference of electrons between plates) will develop for a given amount of electric field force (voltage between the two plates):

PLATE AREA: All other factors being equal, greater plate area gives greater capacitance; less plate area gives less capacitance.
Explanation: Larger plate area results in more field flux (charge collected on the plates) for a given field force (voltage across the plates).

PLATE SPACING: All other factors being equal, further plate spacing gives less capacitance; closer plate spacing gives greater capacitance.
Explanation: Closer spacing results in a greater field force (voltage across the capacitor divided by the distance between the plates), which results in a greater field flux (charge collected on the plates) for any given voltage applied across the plates.

DIELECTRIC MATERIAL: All other factors being equal, greater permittivity of the dielectric gives greater capacitance; less permittivity of the dielectric gives less capacitance. Explanation: Although its complicated to explain, some materials offer less opposition to field flux for a given amount of field force. Materials with a greater permittivity allow for more field flux (offer less opposition), and thus a greater collected charge, for any given amount of field force (applied voltage). "Relative" permittivity means the permittivity of a material, relative to that of a pure vacuum. The greater the number, the greater the permittivity of the material. Glass, for instance, with a relative permittivity of 7, has seven times the permittivity of a pure vacuum, and consequently will allow for the establishment of an electric field flux seven times stronger than that of a vacuum, all other factors being equal

The following is a table listing the relative permittivities (also known as the "dielectric constant") of various common substances:


Material        Relative permittivity (dielectric constant) ============================================================


Vacuum ------------------------- 1.0000


Air ---------------------------- 1.0006


PTFE, FEP ("Teflon") ----------- 2.0


Polypropylene ------------------ 2.20 to 2.28


ABS resin ---------------------- 2.4 to 3.2 Polystyrene -------------------- 2.45 to 4.0


Waxed paper -------------------- 2.5


Transformer oil ---------------- 2.5 to 4


Hard Rubber -------------------- 2.5 to 4.80


Wood (Oak) --------------------- 3.3


Silicones ---------------------- 3.4 to 4.3


Bakelite ----------------------- 3.5 to 6.0


Quartz, fused ------------------ 3.8


Wood (Maple) ------------------- 4.4


Glass -------------------------- 4.9 to 7.5


Castor oil --------------------- 5.0


Wood (Birch) ------------------- 5.2


Mica, muscovite ---------------- 5.0 to 8.7


Glass-bonded mica -------------- 6.3 to 9.3


Porcelain, Steatite ------------ 6.5


Alumina ------------------------ 8.0 to 10.0


Distilled water ---------------- 80.0


Barium-strontium-titanite ------ 7500


This means Barium Titanite will produce an "Electric Field" nearly 7,000 times as great as air per volt!  Materials with a greater permittivity allow for more field flux to develop for a given amount of electric field force (voltage between the two plates).


Higher permittivity dielectric material will strengthen the field force of a low voltage power supply. We need this force to strengthen the magnet waves projected from the twin Tesla pancake bifilars. It should be simple enough to dip a few teardrop shaped aluminum capacitor plates in a Tungston Carbide powdered slurry of linear polyurethane, for a five plate trimmer!


The increased field force in the dielectric capacitor will strengthen the amplitude of the oscillating sine wave in the LLC magnet exciter tank.
 


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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #829 on: August 25, 2014, 09:32:49 PM »
The dual Teardrop Variable Dielectric, set in a frame and a bath of mineral oil is in parallel with a DPDT switch that connects the capacitor to the D.C. power source, then connects the capacitor to the Tesla bifilars. The combined coil inductance determines the capacitance for the self resonant frequency, and the DPDT switch frequency is then based on the capacitor discharge rate, probably around a hertz. Power generated in the magnet output coil by the oscillating LLC tank sine wave between the capacitor charge cycles should accrue as gain!

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« Reply #830 on: August 26, 2014, 03:33:29 AM »


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60ec6rQuk14


The uneven nature of the switch "ON" time for the DPDT is easily controlled by changing the capacitor and resistor values in this circuit according to formula. It takes longer for the tank oscillation to peter out then it does to charge the capacitor. The "Astable Multi-Vibrator" circuit needs a separate power source, perhaps a 9v battery. The primary power source should be a variable voltage and amperage type transformer that allows for adjustment of power factors like 10 volts and .5 amp.   


Farmhand directly tapped his tank resonance for output and ran into the power in power out conundrum. Here, the oscillating sine wave excites a permanent magnet field through "Sympathetic Vibration" without any effect or back influence on the resonant tank frequency! Zero "Lenz Drag"!


The high dielectric variable capacitor can tune an "Egg Crate" of magnet coil resonators.


In the DPDT switch schematic, A1 & A2 are the Battery terminals. B1 & B2 are the coil leads, and C1 & C2 the capacitor: The C to A interval is naturally shorter then the C to B tank contact. The "Astable Multi-Vibrator" circuit is up to the task.
« Last Edit: August 26, 2014, 12:17:14 PM by synchro1 »

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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #831 on: August 26, 2014, 11:05:08 PM »


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-Xrwt-50AA&list=UUZFlznLV3IyePfbc2TfDetA


Quote from TinselKoala:

"I was inspired to build a little magnet spinner by synchro1's interesting work".

TK's axial disk magnet spinner is rotating between two red wire radio shack coils in series. He's spinning the disk with a pure sine wave at twenty volts and 180 hertz with 175 milli amps of current. Merely 1/35th of a watt!

The variable hi dielectric capacitor should spin this disk with no problem, coupled with the capacitor charger and equivilant power source. Starting with a low frequency high amplitude signal of high capacitance, then speeding the spinner up with capacitance reduction.

What would the input economy look like spinning the rotor off an LC tank oscillating sine wave with a pulsed D.C. power source, compared to a signal generator? How would the addition of a second series of coils and A.C. sine wave disk magnet spinner effect the D.C. input?

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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #832 on: August 27, 2014, 05:12:49 AM »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60ec6rQuk14


The uneven nature of the switch "ON" time for the DPDT is easily controlled by changing the capacitor and resistor values in this circuit according to formula. It takes longer for the tank oscillation to peter out then it does to charge the capacitor. The "Astable Multi-Vibrator" circuit needs a separate power source, perhaps a 9v battery. The primary power source should be a variable voltage and amperage type transformer that allows for adjustment of power factors like 10 volts and .5 amp.   


Farmhand directly tapped his tank resonance for output and ran into the power in power out conundrum. Here, the oscillating sine wave excites a permanent magnet field through "Sympathetic Vibration" without any effect or back influence on the resonant tank frequency! Zero "Lenz Drag"!


The high dielectric variable capacitor can tune an "Egg Crate" of magnet coil resonators.


In the DPDT switch schematic, A1 & A2 are the Battery terminals. B1 & B2 are the coil leads, and C1 & C2 the capacitor: The C to A interval is naturally shorter then the C to B tank contact. The "Astable Multi-Vibrator" circuit is up to the task.

Synchro if you post any more silly comments I am going to abandon this thread and begin another which I will request due to
past actions that you do not post in, if you do post in it I will abandon that as well.

Synchro I request that you post no more speculation, and that you show experimental evidence for your claims.

I used several methods to load the main tank.

You have shown nothing but claim a lot. I request you begin posting some evidence of your own experiments. And concern
yourself less with trying to make out everyone is silly except you.

I wound those coils probably over 2 years ago and there is proof of that. It is simply two coils in series with a primary between
there is nothing special about the setup, except the coils only need about 1000 pF of external capacitance to tune to resonance
when they should need about 1280 pF, so I estimate the coils have about 250 pF or so of inherent capacitance. The current
associated with the extra inherent capacitance in the tank will not appear to contribute to the charging of the tank capacitor
but to the charging of the coils capacitance, and so about 1/5 of the tank activity does not see the external tank capacitor.

You actually stated my setup was "backwards" haha what a joke. It can be a receiver or a transmitter or a transformer both a
step up and a step down, it's a generator of AC sine waves, and a generator of "tank activity".

Show us your setup and what it can do. Since my setup is considered as "backwards" by you.  There are backwards things
around here but it's not my arrangement.  :) It works as intended and as expected.

Synchro, can you even build a "solid state continuous wave resonant air core transformer" ?  If so show us and show us the
wave forms as well. If not then you have things to learn. If you can't show it then it might as well be fairy dust.

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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #833 on: August 27, 2014, 10:41:23 AM »
Here's a diagram of how different loads can be connected. People like Thane Heins and the Babcock and Murry ect. measure the
input to their device at the output of "Tx1" being the transformer connected to the output coil "C2" of "the generator of HF AC Power".
The output of coil "C2" across capacitor C6 being "Analogous" to the grid wall outlet. Everything before that is "generator of AC".

Any reactive power claim which relies on the grid as a "provider and receiver of reactive power" is only taking part of the real
costs into consideration.

If we ignore the output phase 1 with the fluro and just look at output phase 2, (right hand phase), the below makes sense.

This is evident when we look at my arrangement and see that I can measure the power out of "Tx1" and the power into any DUT
as well as any load power for a load connected to the DUT tested there ect. and all I get is an efficiency for powering the load
from that device when that device is powered by the supply that supplies it.
Not the true cost of powering the load in it's entirety.  :)

Just saying.



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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
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« Reply #834 on: August 27, 2014, 02:05:15 PM »
@Farmhand,


Answer two questions for me please;


One: Do you think an LC resonant tank sine wave alone can power a tiny disk magnet spinner like the one TinselKoala demonstrates from a signal generator?   

The other question is; Would the spinner retard the tank frequency?

Look at this high inductance coil with the high perm ferrite core. We can spin inside the the toroid hole. This would allow for a much higher capacitance charge and increased amplitude! Couple this to a hi-dielectric variable capacitor, and Voila, we have an overunity motor.


Highest permitivity Barium Titanite dielectric capacitor, and highest permeability Metglass inductor core. These "Space Age" materials would allow us to strengthen the sine wave amplitude sufficiently to power a magnet spinner from zero to 10k rpm. This couples with the cap charger and timer.


This kind of motor would accelerate accompanied by power reduction. An effect I demonstrated in my videos. This answers question number two: No, the spinner generates power that helps reduce input into the tank. It's a negative load! TinselKoala shows this effect in his mini spinner video.

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« Reply #835 on: August 27, 2014, 04:48:11 PM »
Imagine a fixed capacitance LC tank of high inductance with a self resonating frequency of 100 hertz.  Now we spin the magnet rotor up to 6000 rpm from the side with a separate pulse coil. Will the negative load value from the spinner output be sufficient to replenish the tank depletion to resistance loss? The LC tank spinner should begin to power itself, as I've described in my "Self Accelerating Magnet" thread. The speed would be limited by the fixed tank frequency in this case.

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« Reply #836 on: August 27, 2014, 05:09:50 PM »
Imagine a fixed capacitance LC tank of high inductance with a self resonating frequency of 100 hertz.  Now we spin the magnet rotor up to 6000 rpm from the side with a separate pulse coil. Will the negative load value from the spinner output be sufficient to replenish the tank depletion to resistance loss? The LC tank spinner should begin to power itself, as I've described in my "Self Accelerating Magnet" thread. The speed would be limited by the fixed tank frequency in this case.
Synchro, check out this video at 20:53 and following (I've got the link cued up there): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVUN3GsekKQ&feature=player_detailpage#t=1256
Look at what Tariel's using to spin the shaft - a toroidal coil...
Bob

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« Reply #837 on: August 27, 2014, 10:03:25 PM »
I'm posting here because the topic involves resonance. I started a thread entitled "Self accelerating reed switch motor" that produced Milehigh's excellent OP Amp motor.


The Reed Switch is normally open. So when the magnet rpm exceeds the switch's maximum rated frequency, the switch electrodes stay open acting as capacitor plates. I believe now that the Open Reed Switch was acting as a "Resonant Tank Capacitor" connected to the bifilar pulse coil in series. It makes sense to me now, that the magnet was boasting the amplitude of the LC resonant frequency and that this is what accounts for the spontaneous speed burst up to axle friction breaking point. Once that magnet spinner is surfing the LC sine wave, the axle could clutch onto a generator drive shaft and supply free power!   


The other point is, current can't get past the open Reed Switch electrodes after they charge to maximum capacitance. There's no longer any possibility for additional input into the circuit after the Reed Switch electrodes create capacitance and establish LC tank frequency, as my test equipment showed. Flux from the spinner at 25k would exclude any further input into the power coil as well. The resonant tank acts as an infinite resistor. Even though the battery is blocked from adding input, it's needed in this circuit as a resonating tank component. This is my latest theory!

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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #838 on: August 28, 2014, 03:15:51 PM »
Synchro, check out this video at 20:53 and following (I've got the link cued up there): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVUN3GsekKQ&feature=player_detailpage#t=1256
Look at what Tariel's using to spin the shaft - a toroidal coil...
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 No, no, no. What spins the motor is the action of the disks against the hidden iron cores below the disks. Here is the relevant Tesla information on this and below is the relevant picture attached.


 http://www.tfcbooks.com/tesla/1892-02-03.htm


 You have to understand that this is an example of a one wire system that uses the metal plate at the end as an anchor of low potential when compared to the high potential of the source transformer. This causes an gradient to form to draw from.

 Each part of this diagram is seen in the video. The transformer is inside of the metal base. The output pair of wires is two one wire circuits as evident from the dual disks and two wires coming out of the metal base box. The iron cores are shown as well. You have to look very closely but you can see the shape of each core below the disks in that video. The plate is very very obvious as the metal covering the transformer box base.

 You can even see the real engineer trying to figure out why there is no potential difference coming out of the transformer box with the two wires going to the toroid. they are two one wire channels with the same potential on each wire. This causes no potential difference between the two channels and hence why there is no apparent current going to the system.

 Hope this helps.
jbignes5

 P.S. There are a great many nuances to this technology that we can glean by watching and learning, like phase propagation between two similar impulse streams when one is separated by a coil from the base metal box. One channel will lag the other creating a difference between the two to draw from or enhances the strength of the discs rotating by retarding one stream to enhance the next impulse. There are many many things to learn from TK's devices and Tesla technology.
 
Sorry for the off topic post but I thought clarification needed to be shown here about the previous post.

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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #839 on: August 28, 2014, 09:03:12 PM »
@Jbigness5,

Thanks!

Tesla appears to power the copper disk with an oscillating sine wave from an LC tank in series, exactly like I power my magnet spinner after the Reed Switch electrodes seperate over the operating frequency and it turns into a capacitor. The big difference is, the magnet spinner reinforces the sine wave amplitude and outputs power back into the circuit!


Let me add that I'm among Farmhand's ardent fans, and believe he should be able to deal with us pirating the thread a little, without jumping overboard!.

 

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