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Author Topic: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".  (Read 405381 times)

Offline gyulasun

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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #795 on: January 27, 2014, 06:19:26 PM »


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Maybe someone has a better idea about how to name a new thread?
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Hi Conrad,

I would suggest a title: "Some tests on mono and bifilar coils"  or something like that and you may wish to copy all your relevant posts, pictures  into your new thread. 

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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #795 on: January 27, 2014, 06:19:26 PM »

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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #796 on: January 27, 2014, 06:27:09 PM »
Hi Conrad,

I would suggest a title: "Some tests on mono and bifilar coils"  or something like that and you may wish to copy all your relevant posts, pictures  into your new thread.

Good title, and I will copy the few results and some important explanations to the new thread.

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #797 on: January 27, 2014, 06:39:36 PM »
What are the parameters in the gravity oscillation in the "Gilbondfac" video? Newton's law of gravity: The ratio in feet per second per second in acceleration of mass by attraction of gravity, to the elevation of power coil pulse in Joules.


What are the dynamics involved the re gauging of flux positioning? Dr. Dragone produced a working formula that predicts the power to flux restructuring ratio. There's a resonant feature involved with sping back of magnet flux, just like in the tube magnet gravity piston!


How does this compare to the 7.8 oscillation in Marco's dancing magnet video? Can anyone imagine a flux spring back frequency that corresponds to the gravity oscillation? What about perceiving the Earth as a magnet? "That's just a coincidence" from a group of ivory tower eggheads!


Maybe magnet fields have a spring back rate "mind of their own" and don't conform to any laws!


Suppose we build an LC tank around the magnet and gauge the coil's resonant frequency to match the field restructuring frequency so a sympathetic oscillatory relationship exists? How would this effect any kind pulsating power input? A light wind of 4uH and a fat capacitor of 100mF would give the magnet coil a sympathetic oscillatory frequency! Like the one I asked Conradelektro to use.


Now Einstien Elektro's moving on to a new more important "Mythbuster" thread. Whoppy do!

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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #797 on: January 27, 2014, 06:39:36 PM »
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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #798 on: January 27, 2014, 07:28:37 PM »
Dr. Dragone wrapped an axial polarized tube magnet with a wire coil. Then he pulsed the coil with sufficient power to neutralize the permanent magnet field. Then he posed the question: Where did the field of the permanent magnet go?


It went some place, and when the coil charge is deleted, the permanent magnet field reappears! Voila!


How long does it take for it to come home? Does this return time differ between magnets? Do some magnet fields linger longer then others?


Dr. Dragone reported a COP of >40 with his simple "MAGNET PUMP". How did he do this? An LC tank perhaps? Suppose we get the tank frequency to push the field return frequency like a swing? What happens inside the capacitor?


Magnetism is not solid. The south pole is always trying to force itself into the north pole, and the north pole fights back to restore the balance. This tug of war goes on between the Earth's poles as well as in all permanent magnets. First a penetration followed by a recoiling. Are they ebbing and flowing at different rates, or is there a constant frequency in the match?

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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #799 on: January 27, 2014, 09:30:02 PM »
Here's a quote from Dr. Leon Dragone:

"The entire cycle would require from 10 to 100 milliseconds so that from 10 to 100 cycles can be made per second. The numbers chosen herein are typical of the orders of magnitude that I have experimented with".


Here, Dr. Dragone's placing the frequency of the magnet's field return from coil pulse at between 10 and 100 hertz. This places the range of the oscillatory frequency of the spinning rotor, between 600 RPM and 6000 RPM. This is the rotor speed range the magnet core output coil has to operate within. Is it any coincidence that 7.83 divides into 5481 exactly 700 times?


The LC tank has to correspond to the rotor hertz, so at the low end of 10 hertz a 100 microfarad capacitor would need 2.533 Henrys of wire coil wraps, no more or no less! The question is where in this 5400 RPM range can we find an oscillatory sweet spot? We have to ask if the Shumman constant of 7.83 Hertz divides into the oscillatory range of 5481 hertz exactly 700 times as a matter of coincidence?


I  think a rotor speed of 2700 RPM would be a good place to fix the optimum oscillatory frequency for a "Synchro coil", and to build an LC tank with a 100 uF capacitor. This is very close to the RPM's Conradelektro was spinning at when he got his rattling effect. The resonant inductance would require exactly 36.791 Henrys of wire wraps with that large of a capacitor in the mid frequency range, no more and no less!

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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #800 on: January 28, 2014, 01:15:04 AM »
We have the example of the magnet repulsion gravity piston. There's an operating range. The magnet can't keep up with too great a frequency, depending on the pulse strength. The more powerful the pulse, the longer it takes for the magnet to return to the power coil at the base. Too high a frequency won't produce any thing but a fibrillation!


The same relationship holds true to the pulsing of the flux field in the magnet while holding it stationary. Dr. Dragone places the frequency between 10 and 100 hertz. This is a constant, and holds true for all magnets. This is the ability of the flux field to produce measurable power in the coil after rebounding from the restriction pulse.


The irrational feature, is that Dr. Dragone measured up to 2000 times the power from the resurgence of the flux field then the power the coil consumed to induce the restriction pulse. The magnet cools and consumes ambient heat to do the atomic restructuring on the quantum plane. The power pulse only needs a short duration and a low duty cycle, followed by an extended pulse for recovery, perhaps 3 times as long, after the current is switched to recovery through a DPDT switch. Simple as that!

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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #801 on: January 28, 2014, 03:01:21 AM »
Just got my second bifi wound last night using the tiny wire guide. I set the glue to dry till today and will be terminating the wires now. Will be interesting if the capacitance increases, hopefully. ;D I was really shocked at the 6nf of the first one. I dont think any of my bifi coils measure that low, and none of them have this many feet of wire. While I was winding this one, I could keep the 2 wires much tighter. The first one, I could see the every once in a while separation then back together. The coil itself is only 1/8 in deep.

 Havnt had much time. We had an NCRS show in Orlando this weekend. Took 8 cars up. Lots of prep before and unpacking after. ;D

Will be checking the coil in a bit here.

Mags

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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #801 on: January 28, 2014, 03:01:21 AM »
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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #802 on: January 28, 2014, 06:59:48 AM »
Just got my second bifi wound last night using the tiny wire guide. I set the glue to dry till today and will be terminating the wires now. Will be interesting if the capacitance increases, hopefully. ;D I was really shocked at the 6nf of the first one. I dont think any of my bifi coils measure that low, and none of them have this many feet of wire. While I was winding this one, I could keep the 2 wires much tighter. The first one, I could see the every once in a while separation then back together. The coil itself is only 1/8 in deep.

 Havnt had much time. We had an NCRS show in Orlando this weekend. Took 8 cars up. Lots of prep before and unpacking after. ;D

Will be checking the coil in a bit here.

Mags

5.3nf. :-\   And I tried very hard to keep the wires together. ???   I dont believe it would be the resistance of the wire causing funky readings. So it must be the lack of surface area of the wire. Still doesnt make sense to me. Very little air gap between wires, dense windings. I dunno for sure.

Well, even though there is a difference of 6 and 5.3, Im at a point of it is safe to say that this is what these coils are going to be. So Ill run some numbers on them and a normal coil and test them on the motor. I have some scrap kevlar to pull some long strands from to go around the edge of the rotor to keep the mags from coming out. I dont have much gap so it has to be thin and strong to increase the rpms to what I might need to get speed up and so on. Will need to be around 1500 rpm. These are air core.

The motor is in working order. I can just remove 1 coil to install the bifi and Ill just not have the 2 coils on either side connected in the motor circuit as to not affect the testing of motor effects.



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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #803 on: January 28, 2014, 07:05:03 AM »
Also, being that I am running air cores, if I get speed up effects when shorting or loading the bifi, that would be unusual, being that when the coil is open, there is no core to influence the rotor by slowing it down. So why would it speed up loaded?  ;D

Mags



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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #804 on: January 28, 2014, 12:35:23 PM »
Because it does still have an air core. The L/C of the coil at or near resonance or a harmonic will cause drag by Lenz. Maybe the bifilar air core will have less drag (less "tank" current) and that would be interesting.  :)  Though it may not be noticeable at lower frequencies. My experiments with the Tesla coil AC generator and receiver with output tank showed the supply battery was "unloaded" by a load in exactly the same way as the mechanical effect, but with an air core it was done in solid state and it was at a much higher frequency. Still when tuned in a certain way when the output was loaded the strain and current demand on the supply battery was relieved and the battery voltage rose due to less active loading. More or less the same effect.

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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #805 on: January 28, 2014, 07:20:37 PM »

Here's a hyper link to the "Energetics of Ferromagnetisem" by Dr. Leon Dragone:

http://192.211.49.220/-%20Free%20Energy/Lester%20J%20Hendershot/Energetics%20of%20Ferromagnetism%20by%20Leon%20Dragone.pdf


The adiabatic process must be factored in to account for the "Free energy" that's released from the "Synchro coil".

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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #806 on: July 10, 2014, 04:23:30 PM »

Here's a new video from Dr. Stevan Jones: He's using a Tesla series bifilar to imulse magnetize ferrite. The back spike when the circuit's broken is a transformer reaction that releases 100 percent of the stored input, because it was transformed to magnetic flux.  Dr. Steven Jones shows that the magnetic locking force is variable, and can be increased in proportion to the amount of input pulse. The stronger pulse is stored in the magnetic flux. A ferrite pendulum with this type of magnetic power coil may be able to recover nearly 100 percent of it's fly back spike, and generate power too!   

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utdrWqrEQyw&list=UUgY1w73JtptzOlzD9X7VTaQ

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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #807 on: July 10, 2014, 06:59:07 PM »
Dr. Jones causes a disconnect pulse to separate the ferrite blocks, that is less then the input locking power pulse. He sends less current in, then breaking the circuit causes the separation. Separating the bifilar strands, and using one side to charge the release pulse and the other side to recover the inductive back spike, would be a good way to collect it. A switch can reconnect the coil to series bifilar for the locking pulse.

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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #808 on: July 10, 2014, 09:18:47 PM »

At 1:33 the keeper travels 2 or 3 inches from this PMH: Plenty of distance to throw a pendulum arm. Bifilar coils could decouple and recover the pulse for a gain! Test results demonstrate an over unity COP from the demagnetization phase.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9T96aaWKc-I
« Last Edit: July 11, 2014, 01:10:10 AM by synchro1 »

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Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".
« Reply #809 on: July 11, 2014, 01:56:58 AM »
The answer, my friend, is in the B-H curve...

The answer is in the B-H curve.....

 

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