Hi JouleSeeker,

Thanks.

This is just going from observation of the videos so I may be wrong.

1.  Did he use neo-magnets?

Looks like 8 neos on the rotor, 6 ceramic on the stator bar.

2.  Any idea of the orientations of the magnets?

It looks like all N pointing outwards from the rotor.
The angles in the picture are pretty rough since perspective distortion isn't  accounted for but it does look like an alternating grouping(4 groups) by ~20degrees spaced by ~30 degrees between groups.
On the bar, looking at in Vizimag a N-S-N-S arrangement could be used as it creates a neutral spot at the corner of the angle. It's like the field is folded around one corner then the opposite field is folded back on the other corner in the N-S-N-S arrangement. Other arrangements could be tried though.

3.   Are you considering a build?

I did start to build a 3D support structure around a 3" diameter steel cap for the rotor. All the rotors he has in the videos the magnets are backed by metal but not sure what kind. Spring cleaning has slowed me down on the build though.

4.  Any comments on the Yildiz motor?

What I see, which is similar to the MMD track, is the barbed pattern in the magnetic field. Much like a one way gear or ratchet.

http://www.bsmhturk.com/gallery/magnetic_field_paper/magnetic_field_paper.html

I hope Stirling Allan gleans more information on his trip.

@Gwandau,

I understand it's very frustrating to have to reverse engineer every claim. While some are fairly easy to discount it's also hard to discount the probability that some might be functional without a few simple experiments to test feasibility.

@Bartguy98,

Welcome to the forum.

@E2matrix,
I have doubts about the plate video also, the way it moves when it starts just doesn't seem natural it seems to start even before the bar is bought near. The power bill is only creeping higher every month so it's worth a shot to try though. Material cost and build times have been cut down significantly with the printer. If something doesn't fit just hit the scale button and re-print.

Hmmm
"The is no arrangement of magnets that can ever give rise to a working motor without additional supply of energy" The intention of this statement was not just a dismisal of this particular "motor" but mag motors in general.  Obviously an initial outside energy source will always be required to start a mag motor. But the indictment of mag motors seems to me to be a curious but common response. There have been several actual working mag motors over the last 40+ years. Having said that I don't have a clue whether or not this specific variation works or not. But that is not the point; the point is that for those machines that do not present obvious flaws, unless you have physically observed the machine first hand  no one can be 100% sure that it doesn't work. And it is amusing to watch just how much negativity is unleashed when ever a new machine, idea or concept is unveiled. Occasionally you get the feeling that the closer some one gets to overunity the more determined the attempts to derail it become. The negativity becomes a barometer if you will. This particular thread is relatively benign in comparision to many on overunity.
 I am curious about is why there is not more follow up on the many ideas and creations that approach over unity. Taking some of these ideas and putting them in the current context of energy production could yield massive benefits to the world at large. And yet so many good ideas are dismissed out of hand because they fail overunity. This is sad indeed.

@DreamThinkBuild:


Sounds like you have been busy 


I took a look at the "UFO - Alternative Energy" link you provided. I don't know what to think of it. I certainly wish you the best.


As a side question for you: In all of your "magnet research" have you looked at the Japanese patent #JP53-67814 (pdf attached)? What is your opinion on that design?


truesearch

Hi Gianna,
 

Irrespective of what magnetism actually is...(whether that be electron spin or whatever) we can characterise the nature of the effects manifested by it.

Wrong, we can only characterize the nature of the known effects manifested by observation attained from our present limited angle of underdstanding.
We still don't know if magnetism consists of a wave that propagates, we don't even know if there is a field in such way as we theorize it.
 
This absolute lack of knowledge of the source dynamics of magnetism in relation to time space and matter makes us lack mandate to decide whether the magnetic field is conservative or not.

Today it might seem like it is a conservative field, tomorrow new insights may open novel paths of understanding, discarding all the old stuff as premature conclusions based upon wrongly interpreted observations. As long as mankinds mandate in this regard consists of mere observation and no underlying understanding whatsoever, saying magnetism is conservative is by default more talking than walking.


Maybe you are right, nobody knows, but personally I prefer to keep my mind open.


There are still so many possibilities awaiting in regard to magnetism when dealing with future room temperature superconductors and genuine shielding techniques, and so forth. Why hurry into premature conclusions when this area still is a white spot on the map?

Personally I regard magnets as not even being the source of the magnetic effect, but merely acting as "lenses" refracting the very space around them,
but since I have come to learn the nature of your mindset, I won't occupy you with such "nonsense".


But one thing is for sure, on this planet The Age of Magnetism is still to come.


Gwandau
 

Gwandu:

Wrong, we can only characterize the nature of the known effects manifested by observation attained from our present limited angle of underdstanding.

I am assuming, and you can correct me if I am wrong, that you too have a present limited angle of understanding.  Did you ever sit in a physics or electromagnetics class and go over some simple derivations of Maxwell's equations?  One of the simplified ones is that when you do a closed line integral of the force on a hypothetical magnetic monopole in the presence of an unchanging magnetic field, the closed line integral always gives a zero result.  So you can take any meandering path and go in any direction, but when you come back to where you started, the net resulting work you have to do to take your meandering path is zero.

What is a simplified example of this in real life?   There is a big bar magnet on your bench.   You are holding a small bar magnet in your hand.  You push the hand-held magnet close to the bar magnet.  Then as you move the hand-held magnet back to your starting position you feel the magnet push back on your hand.  The net work you end up doing is zero.  When you brought the magnet closer, you did positive work.  The energy you expended is now stored inside the hand-held magnet and the bar magnet and their associated deformed fields.  The axes of the magnetic dipoles of the individual iron atoms are all slightly deflected from their normal orientation.  In effect, each iron atom is like a little mechanical spring that has been compressed slightly.  The deflected atoms and the deflected fields act like perfect, frictionless mechanical springs.  When your hand moves back to the starting position, all the little stressed magnetic dipoles and the stressed magnetic fields will push back and go to their resting position.  That represents you doing negative work.  That stored energy is converted into the line integral of the (force x displacement) on your hand as it moves back to the starting position.  The positive work plus the negative work equals zero net work done.

You do the same test on rotors and the little force vector that you integrate on as the rotor passes the stator becomes trickier because it wiggles, but it's still the same thing.  Remember, you can take any closed path and when you get back to where you started from the net energy expenditure will be zero.

Anyway, check out the action on PESN for the upcoming Yildiz demo for another alleged magnet motor.  There is a lot of talk about upcoming testing at the Geneva Expo and it's very interesting.

MileHigh

Personally I regard magnets as not even being the source of the magnetic effect, but merely acting as "lenses" refracting the very space around them,
but since I have come to learn the nature of your mindset, I won't occupy you with such "nonsense".

I agree. Faradays paradox should be a clear example.  Also, magnetic metals tend to allow like fields to be in close proximity as compared to like fields in open space from a magnets poles where they want to expand outward and away from each other. So magnetic metals are similar to magnets as in the lens effect, just the magnets 'lens' is a bit more 'polished' than just magnetic metals.

Mags

DreamThinkBuild -- thanks for your responses to my questions.  I wish you well in this research effort.
  Glad to see the interest in the Yildiz motor also.  Not that I'm "holding my breath" regarding Sterling's trip, but I certainly think this is worth looking into!

Caddpro - welcome, and thank you for these insights:

...
 And it is amusing to watch just how much negativity is unleashed when ever a new machine, idea or concept is unveiled. Occasionally you get the feeling that the closer some one gets to overunity the more determined the attempts to derail it become. The negativity becomes a barometer if you will. This particular thread is relatively benign in comparision to many on overunity.
 I am curious about is why there is not more follow up on the many ideas and creations that approach over unity. Taking some of these ideas and putting them in the current context of energy production could yield massive benefits to the world at large. And yet so many good ideas are dismissed out of hand because they fail overunity. This is sad indeed.

Agreed.  You may find interest in this thread:  http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/8448-mib-now-monitoring-skype.html#post228506 
where I comment under my username PhysicsProf.

    We may know about the Yildiz magnetic motor by the end of the week, as Sterling Allan has flown to Geneva to observe - along with many others -- the Yildiz device.  His day-by-day blog is here:
 
 http://peswiki.com/index.php/Event:2...ean_University
 
 Here is a magnetic motor going on public, international display beginning April 10, 2013.
 Please note, there is no need to make pre-judgements about this motor; we can observe and decide for ourselves.
 
 Sterling writes:
 

Quote:  Update (as of April 5, 2013): Mr. Yildiz has been invited by the Turkish patent office to demonstrate his all-magnet motor at the Inventors Expo in Geneva, Switzerland, from April 10-14. They are paying his way. He plans to have more than one motor, and for at least one of them to run the entire duration. The idea is to run it more than long enough to rule out the possibility of hidden batteries inside. Yildiz has invited me to participate in this event, and thanks to so many of you who have chipped in, I will be attending and reporting from there.
 
 This page is to provide an updated chronicle of events pertaining to the test of Muammer Yildiz' All-Magnet Motor at the Inventors Expo in Geneva, Switzerland from April 10-14, 2013. At least three universities will be involved in observing and documenting the demonstrations done there. After the Geneva expo, Mr. Yildiz plans to have the motor(s) tested in a university lab, in a more controlled environment. Yildiz is very determined to achieve vindication, after all these years of people questioning his technology and his motives.
 
 As these things are accomplished, the scientific world [may] have to revise their models of physics that predict that such a motor is impossible. Also, Yildiz will have the verification he needs to bring this to market. He may also do an open license (allowing people download plans, build a company, remit royalty once commercial) on the lower power version in the range of 1 kW.