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Mechanical free energy devices => Regen-X generator by Thane Heins => Topic started by: DeepCut on March 20, 2013, 04:49:44 PM

Title: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: DeepCut on March 20, 2013, 04:49:44 PM
This thread is to explore, explain and exploit the Regenerative Acceleration and Bi-Toroid Transformer Technologies of Thane C. Heins.

I hope we can all have good discussions and benefit from this, as it is very real and i think it will be a commercial success over the next couple of years.


All the best,

DC.

Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: DeepCut on March 20, 2013, 05:13:21 PM
We have all heard of Jean-Louis Naudin, whom i respect very much.

He has performed very good tests of both the BiTT and the RegenX technologies.

At Thane Heins' slideshare pages, you can view summaries of these replications.

Here is the RegenX slideshow :

http://www.slideshare.net/ThaneCHeins/regenx-jln-labs-independent-report1

Here is the BiTT slideshow :

http://www.slideshare.net/ThaneCHeins/bitoroid-transformer-bitt-jlnreport

Here is the website of Jean-Louis Laboratories with his recent testing :

http://jnaudin.free.fr/

Here is Jean-Louis' YT channel :

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCWBgBvRQ0nJkotHljpyrvGQ

At my channel you can see OverUnityGuides excellent explanation of the Heins Effect :

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4CUJ-q-dXiRjiUaoaM_ReAtmGyM2Ic1q

as well as my humble replications :

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4CUJ-q-dXiQpECWjBooJY8fdVT_3Kh9s

Read, watch, learn and enjoy - then replicate !


All the best,

DC.





Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: THANE HEINS on March 21, 2013, 01:53:42 PM
Just about anything anyone would want to know about the ReGenX and BiTT developments and commercialization is here on my Slideshare Account: slideshare http://www.slideshare.net/ThaneCHeins   

Recent developments on PDi's Youtube Channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/pdicanada1 

and LinkedIn: Linkedin http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=107557432&trk=tab_pro

Regards
Thane

Thane C. Heins
President & CEO
Potential +/- Difference Inc. R & D
"Change catalysts using our potential to make a positive difference"
Email: thaneh@potentialdifference.ca
Cell: 613.795.1602
YOUTUBE http://www.youtube.com/user/pdicanada1 
Linkedin http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=107557432&trk=tab_pro
slideshare http://www.slideshare.net/ThaneCHeins 

Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: synchro1 on March 21, 2013, 05:11:19 PM
Repost from "Confirming Lenz delay":
 
They'll be no Nobel Prize for Thane Heins, primarily because the speed up effect of high impedance output coils on magnet rotors was a well established effect, observed by numerous experimenters, long before Thane ever got involved with it. Everyone went up the same tree with it that Thane's perched in with his complaint of 3 laboratory ransackings. All Thane's regenerative patents are practically worthless because the effect is too ordinary and well documented going all the way back to Nicola Tesla; Like trying to patent a new food dehydrator! Thane won't address my magnet core discovery, because it's too simple to patent, and sends all Thane's proprietary work to a trash dumpster. The magnet core allows for overunity with a mere fraction of Thane's bulky copper wire coil wraps. I've been sedate about the discovery to not rock Thane's boat, but I'm forcing it out now.
 
Skycollection's latest "Lenz Delay" video demonstrates how powerfull the rotor acceleration is with wire coils alone. His stack of 6 Tesla Pancake coils are coreless, with zero magnetic core drag. Ferrite cores are a handicap. All Thane's work with ferrite core output coils for regenerative purposes, was a complete waste of time. Thane's research has been eclipsed by thousands of contributors working in unison from all over the Planet. Skycollection's setup renders all Thane's ferrite core coil patents obsolete.
Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: THANE HEINS on March 21, 2013, 05:45:46 PM
Repost from "Confirming Lenz delay":
 
They'll be no Nobel Prize for Thane Heins, primarily because the speed up effect of high impedance output coils on magnet rotors was a well established effect, observed by numerous experimenters, long before Thane ever got involved with it. Everyone went up the same tree with it that Thane's perched in with his complaint of 3 laboratory ransackings. All Thane's regenerative patents are practically worthless because the effect is too ordinary and well documented going all the way back to Nicola Tesla; Like trying to patent a new food dehydrator! Thane won't address my magnet core discovery, because it's too simple to patent, and sends all Thane's proprietary work to a trash dumpster. The magnet core allows for overunity with a mere fraction of Thane's bulky copper wire coil wraps. I've been sedate about the discovery to not rock Thane's boat, but I'm forcing it out now.

ACTUALLY SYNCHRO I WON'T ADDRESS YOUR MAGNET CORE DISCOVERY OR ANY OF YOUR FUTURE POSTS BECAUSE YOU ARE A NASTY PRICK ;)

AND DC IS ACTUALLY A VERY GOOD JUDGE OF CHARACTER.

I HOPE HE HAS MODERATOR PRIVILEGES SO HE CAN DELETE YOUR RANT... AND KEEP THIS DISCUSSION CLEAN FOR A WHILE?

BTW. PDi's PATENTS DON'T PERTAIN TO ROTOR ACCELERATION ANYWAY BUT FLUX HARVESTING IN ReGen-X MOTORS, ReGenX GENERATORS AND BiTTS.

NOW YOU'LL HAVE TO WAIT ANOTHER 16 MONTHS BEFORE YOU CAN SPOUT SOUR GRAPES ON THAT INNOVATION...

CHEERS
Thane

Thane C. Heins
President & CEO
Potential +/- Difference Inc. R & D
"Change catalysts using our potential to make a positive difference"
Email: thaneh@potentialdifference.ca
Cell: 613.795.1602
YOUTUBE http://www.youtube.com/user/pdicanada1 
Linkedin http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=107557432&trk=tab_pro
slideshare http://www.slideshare.net/ThaneCHeins 

Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: synchro1 on March 21, 2013, 05:54:33 PM
ACTUALLY SYNCHRO I WON'T ADDRESS YOUR MAGNET CORE DISCOVERY OR ANY OF YOUR FUTURE POSTS BECAUSE YOU ARE A NASTY PRICK ;)

AND DC IS ACTUALLY A VERY GOOD JUDGE OF CHARACTER.

I HOPE HE HAS MODERATOR PRIVILEGES SO HE CAN DELETE YOUR RANT... AND KEEP THIS DISCUSSION CLEAN FOR A WHILE?

BTW. PDi's PATENTS DON'T PERTAIN TO ROTOR ACCELERATION ANYWAY BUT FLUX HARVESTING IN ReGen-X MOTORS, ReGenX GENERATORS AND BiTTS.

NOW YOU'LL HAVE TO WAIT ANOTHER 16 MONTHS BEFORE YOU CAN SPOUT SOUR GRAPES ON THAT INNOVATION...

CHEERS
Thane

Thane C. Heins
President & CEO
Potential +/- Difference Inc. R & D
"Change catalysts using our potential to make a positive difference"
Email: thaneh@potentialdifference.ca
Cell: 613.795.1602
YOUTUBE http://www.youtube.com/user/pdicanada1 (http://www.youtube.com/user/pdicanada1) 
Linkedin http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=107557432&trk=tab_pro (http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=107557432&trk=tab_pro)
slideshare http://www.slideshare.net/ThaneCHeins (http://www.slideshare.net/ThaneCHeins)

Yet another example of someone who, lacking intelligence, resorts to name calling. Your bully tactics can not cover your stupidity! There's no way you can harvest more flux by slowing the magnet rotor down!
Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: THANE HEINS on March 21, 2013, 06:09:27 PM
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1:30pm EST to bring you onto the live show on Orion Talk Radio, 1,200,000 listener radio station broadcasting from New York.

I am looking forward to interviewing you on our show.

Very kind regards.
Kevin
 
Thanks for Emailing Kevin Bull
 
The Earth Needs Rebels Show
 
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CHEERS
Thane

Thane C. Heins
President & CEO
Potential +/- Difference Inc. R & D
"Change catalysts using our potential to make a positive difference"
Email: thaneh@potentialdifference.ca
Cell: 613.795.1602
YOUTUBE http://www.youtube.com/user/pdicanada1 
Linkedin http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=107557432&trk=tab_pro
slideshare http://www.slideshare.net/ThaneCHeins
Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: Newton II on March 21, 2013, 06:47:49 PM

Thane Heins Sir,

Do you have a AUL  generator - motor set in which output of generator is fed back to motor making the set perpetual without consuming energy from any external source?  If  you have such a set,  can you please post a video of it?   

I have also conducted several experiments on AUL with different methods.  But sofar I have failed to make the system perpetual.  I don't think that sending output from generator to charge a battery is the correct test for overunity.  Because battery will have its own parameters.
Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: THANE HEINS on March 21, 2013, 08:09:13 PM
Thane Heins Sir,

Do you have a AUL  generator - motor set in which output of generator is fed back to motor making the set perpetual without consuming energy from any external source?  If  you have such a set,  can you please post a video of it?   

I have also conducted several experiments on AUL with different methods.  But sofar I have failed to make the system perpetual.  I don't think that sending output from generator to charge a battery is the correct test for overunity.  Because battery will have its own parameters.

SORRY NO VIDEO YET - MAYBE SOON...!  :P
GOOD STORY BELOW HOWEVER.

ANY GENERATOR THAT ACCELERATES UNDER LOAD IS ADDING ENERGY INTO THE SYSTEM AND IS OVERUNITY - I WOULD SUGGEST THAT EVERYONE DO SOME HOMEWORK AND READ ENERGY, WORK, AND ABOVE ALL THE WORK ENERGY PRINCIPLE HERE: http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/work.html#wep

THE WORK ENERGY PRINCIPLE SAYS THAT:
 
"The change in the kinetic energy of an object MUST equal to the net work done on the object."

AND THE NET WORK DONE ON THE OJECT HAS TO BE PROVIDED EXTENALLY NOT INTERNALLY BECAUSE THE ENERGY REQUIRED TO DO SAID WORK CANNOT BE CREATED OR DESTROYED.

THE KINETIC ENERGY IN A ReGenX SYSTEM IS ALWAYS HIGHER ON-LOAD THAN ON NO-LOAD AND IS CREATING ITS OWN ENERGY REQUIRED TO ACCELERATE ITSELF (AND INCREASE AND CHANGE ITS OWN KINETIC ENERGY).

CHEERS
Thane

Thane C. Heins
President & CEO
Potential +/- Difference Inc. R & D
"Change catalysts using our potential to make a positive difference"
Email: thaneh@potentialdifference.ca
Cell: 613.795.1602
YOUTUBE http://www.youtube.com/user/pdicanada1 
Linkedin http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=107557432&trk=tab_pro
Slideshare http://www.slideshare.net/ThaneCHeins

Technology Endorsements & Industry Comments

"As I'm concerned this is a work of GENIUS (and a rather major one at that)."
- Les Virany BSEE MIT Former USPTO examiner and Registered Patent Agent

"As a mechanical engineer I'm here to explain how it works and why it works. And it does work;
over a dozen of us were witness to that last Monday (as well as a film crew--filming in 3D no less!)."
-Mike Brace, Tech Editor EV World (2012)

"This is the Holy grail for generators."
-NRC Scientist Doug Hartwick at Ottawa University (2009)

"This is a freakin' game changer!"
-Mike Elwood, Chairman Electric Mobility Canada at Ottawa University (2009)

"Of course it accelerates when a load is applied...! This represents several new chapters in physics, that is why we are consulting MIT."
-Dr. Habash, University of Ottawa (2007)

"It works and it is not something I would have expected, now I am just trying to figure it out?"
-Dr. Marcus Zahn at MIT (2007)

"A number of your experiments are not lying in the field of Maxwellian electrodynamics? That is fascinating! I will inform you on any progress that i'll make along with reports."
-Dr. Evstigneev N.M., Leading Ssientist, Department of Chaotic Dynamics, Institute for System Analysis, Russian Academy of Science (2009)

"Your claims seem to violate the law of conservation of energy and Maxwell's equations of electro-magnetics." I will send you a short proposal, including my plan of work, estimate of cost, etc. Then we can sign a short agreement and proceed."
-Mehrdad (Mark) Ehsani, Ph.D., P.E., F.IEEE, F.SAE, Robert M. Kennedy Professor & Director, Power Electronics and Motor Drives Laboratory & Advanced Vehicle Systems Research Program, Department of Electrical & Computer Engineering, Texas A&M University (2008)

"This is absolutely fascinating stuff you are doing!"
-Joseph Shin, Electricity and Magnetism Professor, Concordia University (2011)

"If possible would like to meet with you to discuss your approach to the Association and of course to get a better feel about the physics behind your invention. I would still like to see what you are doing and perhaps we can include some of your material on our website newsletter?"
-David Mann, Canadian Association for the Advancement of Science (2009)

"Thane, Your Press Release was most interesting to me as a physicist and an engineer. The level of technical detail was adequate to tell me that you probably have made a very significant advance in applied physics and in safely and successfully handling a new source of electric power. Congratulations!"
-Dr. Stanley Townsend, University of Toronto & Former Managing Editor of the Canadian Journal of Physics (2006)

"We are interested in using the ReGenX technology in our LinkVolt Project to reduce roadside refueling."
-Neil Young, LincVolt Project (2011)

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-NASA (2008)

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-US Air Force (2009)

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-Al Cormier, Executive Director Electric Mobility Canada (2009)

"You seem to have made an interesting discovery. Our internal physics experts review this information and have determined that it is very interesting work."
-Mike Simpson, Transportation Analyst Rocky Mountain Institute (2009)

"Would you be willing to contribute an article on this technology to the Journal for Engineering and Public Policy?"
-Donald Wallace, Executive Director Ontario Centre for Engineering and Public Policy (2009)

"Thanks for providing technical information. If the effect of your invention is really true, I am sure there will be strong needs in the market."
-Nissan Japan (2012)

"I would like to know why you are not the toast of the town... this technology can be offered as a range extension option to our clients."
-Thomas Fritz, Vice President Electric Vehicle Operations, CODA Automotive (2012)

"The technology looks really interesting and is revolutionary. I would like to learn more about the technology. Is it possible to organize a demo or a lecture in the USA?"
-Chrysler Electrified Powertrains (2012)

"This sounds interesting. I'd like you to connect with our Fuel Economy Learning Program manager, to schedule a time for you to come in and share the technology with us. We need to know more about the Physics behind it."
-General Motors (2012)

"It would be fitting for the inventor of the automobile to be first with your revolutionary technology and for me to play a role in that would be awesome!"
-Mercedes-Benz (2012)

"When we finally understand what Thane Heins has discovered, we likely will have to rewrite the laws of electromagnetism."
-Mike Brace EV World Tech Editor (2010)
Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: DeepCut on March 21, 2013, 08:24:30 PM
Repost from "Confirming Lenz delay":
 
They'll be no Nobel Prize for Thane Heins, primarily because the speed up effect of high impedance output coils on magnet rotors was a well established effect, observed by numerous experimenters, long before Thane ever got involved with it. Everyone went up the same tree with it that Thane's perched in with his complaint of 3 laboratory ransackings. All Thane's regenerative patents are practically worthless because the effect is too ordinary and well documented going all the way back to Nicola Tesla; Like trying to patent a new food dehydrator! Thane won't address my magnet core discovery, because it's too simple to patent, and sends all Thane's proprietary work to a trash dumpster. The magnet core allows for overunity with a mere fraction of Thane's bulky copper wire coil wraps. I've been sedate about the discovery to not rock Thane's boat, but I'm forcing it out now.
 
Skycollection's latest "Lenz Delay" video demonstrates how powerfull the rotor acceleration is with wire coils alone. His stack of 6 Tesla Pancake coils are coreless, with zero magnetic core drag. Ferrite cores are a handicap. All Thane's work with ferrite core output coils for regenerative purposes, was a complete waste of time. Thane's research has been eclipsed by thousands of contributors working in unison from all over the Planet. Skycollection's setup renders all Thane's ferrite core coil patents obsolete.

1. Thane isn't after a Nobel prize.
2. Yes it was an established effect. Adams, Muller, Newman, i agree with this point but Thane has taken it further.
3. You make claims about your magnetic core and yet show no results. I am trying to confirm this for you and all of us even though you and i have fallen out.
4. If Thane had made a post like your post i am quoting here, you would have responded to him, as you unfairly responded to me, with "these are my final words to you".
5. I suggest you do some self-examination and perhaps ignore this thread if it upsets you.


All the best,

DC.
Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: MileHigh on March 21, 2013, 09:28:18 PM
If I can try to make a helpful suggestion about motor testing in neutral territory it would be this:

If you can measure the deceleration of a rotor after you remove the power it can tell you how much mechanical power the pulse motor is putting into the rotor to make it steady-state turn to drive the pick-up coils to drive the load.  The other key piece of information you need is the moment of inertia of the rotor.

Let's assume that you either have a DSO to record "ticks" or you can load a program into your microcontroller to record the time stamp of "ticks."

Suppose your rotor has four magnets.  So if you use a Hall sensor you can get four ticks per rotation.  So you cut power to the motor and record the ticks.  Obviously as the rotor slows down the time between ticks increases.  That's showing you the deceleration.

To measure the moment of inertia of the rotor, you could attach a weight to a thread that is spooled around the shaft of the rotor.  So as the weight falls the rotor slowly speeds up.  Here you need to measure ticks again or perhaps analyze video frames.  You know the weight and the shaft diameter.  Therefore you know the torque that the weight puts on the shaft.  You just measured the acceleration of the rotor with the ticks, so that gives you enough information to derive the moment of inertia of the rotor.

When you cut the power to the pulse motor, the rotor keeps spinning and powering the load.  That causes the rotor to decelerate and since you know the moment of inertia, you know how much energy is stored in the rotor at a given RPM.

When you crunch the numbers you can then derive the mechanical watts required to keep the rotor spinning at a given RPM and drive the load through the pick-up coils.  So you can measure the pulse motor electrical power input, and also measure the pulse motor mechanical power output.

MileHigh
Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: hoptoad on March 21, 2013, 10:50:15 PM
ACTUALLY SYNCHRO I WON'T ADDRESS YOUR MAGNET CORE DISCOVERY OR ANY OF YOUR FUTURE POSTS BECAUSE YOU ARE A NASTY PRICK ;)

snip...

AND KEEP THIS DISCUSSION CLEAN FOR A WHILE?

You could help keep it clean by refraining from your usual name calling.
Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: DeepCut on March 21, 2013, 11:02:58 PM
If I can try to make a helpful suggestion about motor testing in neutral territory it would be this:

If you can measure the deceleration of a rotor after you remove the power it can tell you how much mechanical power the pulse motor is putting into the rotor to make it steady-state turn to drive the pick-up coils to drive the load.  The other key piece of information you need is the moment of inertia of the rotor.

Let's assume that you either have a DSO to record "ticks" or you can load a program into your microcontroller to record the time stamp of "ticks."

Suppose your rotor has four magnets.  So if you use a Hall sensor you can get four ticks per rotation.  So you cut power to the motor and record the ticks.  Obviously as the rotor slows down the time between ticks increases.  That's showing you the deceleration.

To measure the moment of inertia of the rotor, you could attach a weight to a thread that is spooled around the shaft of the rotor.  So as the weight falls the rotor slowly speeds up.  Here you need to measure ticks again or perhaps analyze video frames.  You know the weight and the shaft diameter.  Therefore you know the torque that the weight puts on the shaft.  You just measured the acceleration of the rotor with the ticks, so that gives you enough information to derive the moment of inertia of the rotor.

When you cut the power to the pulse motor, the rotor keeps spinning and powering the load.  That causes the rotor to decelerate and since you know the moment of inertia, you know how much energy is stored in the rotor at a given RPM.

When you crunch the numbers you can then derive the mechanical watts required to keep the rotor spinning at a given RPM and drive the load through the pick-up coils.  So you can measure the pulse motor electrical power input, and also measure the pulse motor mechanical power output.

MileHigh

Thanks very much MH, that's really helpful :)

I've not gotten to the stage where i have to do these measurements so i knew nothing about them.


All the best,

DC.
Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: MileHigh on March 21, 2013, 11:50:53 PM
If you can make the measurements then you can understand the basic power dynamics of any similar setup.

Input electrical power will get split into mechanical power to the rotor and waste heat(1).

Mechanical power to the rotor will get split into the electrical power to the load and waste heat(2).

So if you can measure input electrical power (with multimeters), the rotor power (with ticks), and output power to the load (with multimeters), then you can also calculate waste heat(1) and waste heat(2).
Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: Newton II on March 22, 2013, 03:24:28 AM

THE KINETIC ENERGY IN A ReGenX SYSTEM IS ALWAYS HIGHER ON-LOAD THAN ON NO-LOAD AND IS CREATING ITS OWN ENERGY REQUIRED TO ACCELERATE ITSELF (AND INCREASE AND CHANGE ITS OWN KINETIC ENERGY).



Any system cannot creat its own energy to accelerate itself.   If you remove motor from the AUL set will the generator alone rotate on its own creating its own energy?  IT WILL NOT.   The motor - generator set behaves as a single energy unit so that any change in generator output will cause a change in the motor output keeping the energy of the system constant as a whole.

When generator accelerates under load it will also rotate the motor rotor at higher speed since both are coupled.  When motor rotor rotates at higher speed,  it will cause more back emf induced in the rotor winding which in turn automatically reduce the torque of motor.

It means that the loss of torque on the motor side will appear as acceleration under load on the generator side.  But the total output of this system as a whole will always remain lesser than the power input to the system from the external source.   If not when generator accelerates on load, if you remove the motor or cut off the external power supply to motor will the set run on its own?   IT WILL NOT. (I have tried it).

I think you are conducting experiments on AUL since 2003 which is since a decade.  But so far you have failed to make the system perpetual.  I don't think it is possible with  your method.  (sorry to say that)
 




Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: hoptoad on March 22, 2013, 05:47:05 AM
snip...

I think you are conducting experiments on AUL since 2003 which is since a decade.  But so far you have failed to make the system perpetual.  I don't think it is possible with  your method.  (sorry to say that)

Don't be sorry for expressing your views and sharing your knowledge. Your view on this phenomenon is shared by myself and many others who have extensively explored AUL since the 1980's/90's, after Robert Adams resurrected interest in it in the 1970's.
Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: vineet_kiran on March 22, 2013, 09:31:43 AM


When generator accelerates under load it will also rotate the motor rotor at higher speed since both are coupled.  When motor rotor rotates at higher speed,  it will cause more back emf induced in the rotor winding which in turn automatically reduce the torque of motor.



You are right.  That is the reason why you have to first convert torque motor to speed motor so that when generator accelerates under load,  it will not  have much effect on performance of motor and this process has to be done in stages.
Just to refresh your memeory : (Reply # 573)
http://www.overunity.com/11350/confirming-the-delayed-lenz-effect/msg353548/#msg353548 (http://www.overunity.com/11350/confirming-the-delayed-lenz-effect/msg353548/#msg353548)
See this also : (Reply  # 410  - Magnetic Chain Reaction)
http://www.overunity.com/11350/confirming-the-delayed-lenz-effect/msg303530/#msg303530 (http://www.overunity.com/11350/confirming-the-delayed-lenz-effect/msg303530/#msg303530)
 
 
Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: DeepCut on March 22, 2013, 11:20:32 AM
Thanks Newton and HopToad for your input.

We've now established you don't believe this sytem works.

I won't waste your time or mine by trying to convince you that it does, and i'm not having this thread turn into a war of views on the subject, the first post in this thread explains its purpose.

I'm going to be a complete fascist and say that, anyone who posts in the thread with their only objective being to keep repeating the fact that they think it won't work, will be blocked from posting in it again.

I know that's not democratic but i really don't want this thread to turn into a flame war so that's my cards on the table.


All the best,

DC.
Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: Newton II on March 22, 2013, 01:53:07 PM
Thanks Newton and HopToad for your input.
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We've now established you don't believe this sytem works.



Dear DC Sir,


I would wait till you post a video and desing details of your above said working system.   Now I am 62 years old.  If I remain alive till such time,  I will be the first person to congratulate you.

Thanks


 



Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: DeepCut on March 22, 2013, 01:59:32 PM

Dear DC Sir,


I would wait till you post a video and desing details of your above said working system.   Now I am 62 years old.  If I remain alive till such time,  I will be the first person to congratulate you.

Thanks

Dear Newton Sir,

respect to your seniority and implied wisdom.

I don't have a working system, Thane does.

If you want videos all of the relevent videos and documents are posted at the beginning of this thread.


All the best,

DC.
Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: Farmhand on March 23, 2013, 01:15:07 AM
Thane you state that a shorted output is an infinite load or like an infinite load, but how can it be defined like that ?

eg. a 25 Watt light globe dissipates 25 Watts out of the system as heat and light if powered by a supply that is suitable.

How much energy does a short circuited output dissipate out of the system as heat and light or whatever else ?

I guess it depends on the nature of the output, it's impedance ect.

I think a short circuit is quite different to a resistive load, unless the short circuit has significant resistance in itself and
there is significant current as well. The fact that the acceleration can be seen with a load as well but only when a
voltage drop is seen, to me shows the load on the prime mover is reduced because the voltage produced is reduced.
And this is what I see on the scope. The generator in the video at lower speeds acts as a regular generator and reduces speed under load.

Accelerating a rotor under load is easy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFWin-crxQY

The input power reduces as it accelerates under load or short circuit. Are you saying I produced OU ?

Because it most certainly didn't look like it to me. I've also done the reducing input under load with a transformer,
that didn't look much like OU or free energy either. Oh and I can do it with a pair of Tesla transformers too, one as the AC generator
and the other as the output transformer, in all cases the reduction in input is because of a reduction in the load on the prime mover,
or the source of EMF in the case of the transformers, I can see this with the transformers because the battery loaded voltage increases with load
as there is a decrease in input from the battery indicating less loading on the battery, which is an indicator of the load causing a reduction
of load on the source as compared to when there is no load. With a motor this would cause the rotor to accelerate.

Idle power consumption is considered in motor, transformer and generator efficiency because the idle losses can be reduced
as the devices are loaded up more, the power factor and efficiency can improve.

In this field of endeavor I think we are concerned more with the total efficiency of the entire process.

The overall efficiency of a motor, transformer or generator can be improved by reducing it's actual or (real) idle input power (no load running input power) .

The way I see it a generator that uses 300 Watts input at idle with no load, then when a 100 Watt load is applied the generator input reduces to 200 Watts
then that generator is 50% efficient with a 100 Watt load. How can it not be ?

Anyway proof is in the pudding if you can produce a self running machine using those methods you will have the last laugh.

Cheers 
Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: Overschuss on March 23, 2013, 03:47:50 AM
Thane you state that a shorted output is an infinite load or like an infinite load, but how can it be defined like that ?
[...]
I think a short circuit is quite different to a resistive load, unless the short circuit has significant resistance in itself and
there is significant current as well.
[...]


You're right !
Everyone who has already 'played' with Coils, Magnets, Motors/Dynamos knows that this statement is absolutely correct.
Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: THANE HEINS on March 23, 2013, 02:40:58 PM
Thane you state that a shorted output is an infinite load or like an infinite load, but how can it be defined like that ?

eg. a 25 Watt light globe dissipates 25 Watts out of the system as heat and light if powered by a supply that is suitable.

How much energy does a short circuited output dissipate out of the system as heat and light or whatever else ?

I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO PUT A 25 WATT LIGHT BULB IN ONE OF YOUR YOUR HOUSE AC SOCKETS AND THEN PUT A DEAD SHORT ACROSS ANOTHER SOCKET AND LET THE CIRCUIT BREAKER TELL YOU WHICH LOAD IS HIGHER AND IS DISSIPATING MORE POWER. :o

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I think a short circuit is quite different to a resistive load, unless the short circuit has significant resistance in itself and
there is significant current as well.

NOW PUT A SHORT CIRCUIT [INFINITE LOAD] ACROSS YOUR LEAD ACID BATTERY TERMINALS AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS...

GET READY TO PUT OUT THE FIRE WHEN THE HIGH CURRENT FLOW THROUGH NEAR ZERO OHM LOAD SETS THE WIRE'S INSULATION ON FIRE OR BLOWS UP THE BATTERY. :P

LOAD RESISTANCE IS A INDICATOR OF HOW MUCH CURRENT CAN FLOW THROUGH IT.

A HIGH RESISTANCE LOAD I.E. 10,000 OHMS IS A VIRTUAL NO-LOAD, OPEN CIRCUIT CONDITION BECAUSE VIRTUALLY NO CURRENT FLOWS.

A LOW RESISTANCE LOAD I.E. 0.01 OHMS IS A VIRTUAL INFINITE LOAD, SHORT CIRCUIT CONDITION BECAUSE MAXIMUM CURRENT FLOWS.

THIS IS ELECTRICITY 101 FRIENDS - BUT SADLY MANY PhDs DON'T EVEN KNOW THIS SIMPLE FACT. :-\

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Accelerating a rotor under load is easy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFWin-crxQY

YES IF YOU SATURATE THE CORE.

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The input power reduces as it accelerates under load or short circuit. Are you saying I produced OU ?

ABSOLUTELY IF YOU ARE NOT SATURATING THE COIL'S CORE... :D

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Idle power consumption is considered in motor, transformer and generator efficiency because the idle losses can be reduced as the devices are loaded up more, the power factor and efficiency can improve.

NOT TRUE AT ALL BECAUSE AN UNLOADED MOTOR, TRANSFORMER AND GENERATOR ALL HAVE ZERO OUTPUT AND ZERO EFFICIENCY! ???

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In this field of endeavor I think we are concerned more with the total efficiency of the entire process.

The overall efficiency of a motor, transformer or generator can be improved by reducing it's actual or (real) idle input power (no load running input power) .

The way I see it a generator that uses 300 Watts input at idle with no load, then when a 100 Watt load is applied the generator input reduces to 200 Watts then that generator is 50% efficient with a 100 Watt load. How can it not be ?

I WOULD ALSO ENCOURAGE YOU TO GET EDGEMUCATED AND READ THE WORK ENERGY PRINCIPLE AND THE LAW OF CONSERVATION OF ENERGY WHICH STATES THAT "THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A FREE LUNCH" AND "ENERGY CANNOT BE CREATED OR DESTROYED"

SO IF A GENERATOR IS ABLE TO DELIVER EVEN AN INFINITELY SMALL AMOUNT OF POWER WITH NO INCREASE IN ON-LOAD INPUT THEN IT IS CREATING ENERGY (INTERNALLY) AND IS OU ;D - AS LONG AS THE LOSSES ARE NOT BEING REDUCED SOMEHOW IN THE PROCESS.

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Anyway proof is in the pudding if you can produce a self running machine using those methods you will have the last laugh.
Cheers

I THOUGHT THIS OU FORUM WAS A SELF RUNNING MACHINE?

WELL A SELF RUNNING IGNORANCE MACHINE 8) ANYWAY...

ANY SYSTEM THAT IS RUNNING (ROTATING) AT A STEADY STATE SPEED NO MATTER HOW INEFFICIENT HAS A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF KINETIC ENERGY STORED IN IT (INERTIA/POTENTIAL ENERGY) AND CAN ONLY DO SO MUCH WORK.

IN ORDER TO INCREASE THE SPEED, THE KINETIC ENERGY, THE INERTIA, AND THE POTENTIAL ENERGY - WORK MUST BE DONE ON THAT OBJECT, ENERGY MUST BE PUT INTO THE SYSTEM FROM THE OUTSIDE TO BRING IT TO A HIGHER POTENTIAL ENERGY...

(ANYONE WHO HAS DRIVEN A CAR, RODE A BICYCLE, OR WALKED UP A FLIGHT OF STAIRS [NO MATTER HOW FAT AND OUT OF SHAPE/INEFFICIENT IN ORDER TO INCREASE THEIR POTENTIAL ENERGY BEFORE THEY JUMPED OFF KNOWS THAT THIS STATEMENT IS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT!) :-*

WHEN YOU CAN DO ANY WORK (EVEN A SUPER SMALL AMOUNT OF WORK) WITHOUT PUTTING ENERGY IN FROM THE OUTSIDE (OR CONSUMING MORE POWER) OR DECREASING THE INITIAL INEFFICIENCY THEN YOU ARE DOING SOMETHING (WORK) FOR FREE WHICH IS THE ESSENCE OF OU AND THE ESSENCE OF FREE ENERGY NO MATTER HOW SMALL.

THIS "SELF RUNNING MACHINE" IDEA WAS PROBABLY PLANTED BY A OIL COMPANY MOLE TO KEEP OU PIONEERS FROM REALIZING THEIR OWN AWESOME ACCOMPLISHMENTS IN ORDER TO PERPETUATE THE COMPLETELY FALSE LAW OF CONSERVATION OF ENERGY HOAX AND TO KEEP TEACHING THIS CRAP TO OUR CHILDREN INSTEAD OF CORRECTING THE PHYSICS BOOKS.  :-X
 
REGARDS
T
 
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Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: THANE HEINS on March 23, 2013, 03:06:31 PM
From Thane:
Not necessarily so. It could also mean that the efficiency of the generator was increased from some original value below 100%, to some higher value than the previous one, but still less than 100%.

SO IF A GENERATOR IS ABLE TO DELIVER EVEN AN INFINITELY SMALL AMOUNT OF POWER WITH NO INCREASE IN ON-LOAD INPUT THEN IT IS CREATING ENERGY (INTERNALLY) AND IS OU  :D - AS LONG AS THE LOSSES ARE NOT BEING REDUCED SOMEHOW IN THE PROCESS.

IF THE SYSTEM HAS ACCELERATED (ITSELF) AND THE ON-LOAD KINETIC ENERGY OF THE SYSTEM IS HIGHER THAN THE INITIAL NO-LOAD CONDITION THEN THERE IS MORE OUTPUT POTENTIAL ENERGY (ON-LOAD) THAN THERE WAS ON NO-LOAD AND IS OU!  ;)

IGNORANCE IS NOT BLISS...

CHEERS
T
Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: DeepCut on March 23, 2013, 03:19:23 PM
Work-Energy Principle :

"The change in the kinetic energy of an object is equal to the net work done on the object."

Net work = (0.5*mV^2 final)-(0.5*mv^2 initial)

Do the maths.


All the best,


DC.
Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: THANE HEINS on March 23, 2013, 03:20:53 PM
@DeepCut,
 
             You can do without any further postings on this thread from me. Both you and Thane Heins are completely obnoxious assholes!

WELL AS OBNOXIOUS AND NOXIOUS MY ASSHOLE CAN BE SOME TIMES IT CERTAINLY DOES SERVE A VERY IMPORTANT SERVICE  TO GET THE CRAP OUT AND INTO THE CESSPOOL (OF IGNORANCE) WHERE IT BELONGS.  :P

OTHERWISE WE'D ALL BE FULL OF CRAP...

HAPPY TRAILS DUDE.
T
Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: THANE HEINS on March 23, 2013, 03:32:23 PM
Work-Energy Principle :

"The change in the kinetic energy of an object MUST BE equal to the net work done on the object."

THE PHYSICS PERVEYORS OF DUNCE  :-[ ARE SWEATING NOW...  YEH!  ;)

T
Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: MileHigh on March 23, 2013, 03:39:40 PM
Thane:

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SO IF A GENERATOR IS ABLE TO DELIVER EVEN AN INFINITELY SMALL AMOUNT OF POWER WITH NO INCREASE IN ON-LOAD INPUT THEN IT IS CREATING ENERGY (INTERNALLY) AND IS OU  (http://www.overunity.com/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) - AS LONG AS THE LOSSES ARE NOT BEING REDUCED SOMEHOW IN THE PROCESS.

The assumption is that losses are being reduced (a.k.a. the motor is running more efficiently) when you add a load to the generator coils.  So "speed up under load" is just reducing the fraction of input power that is lost as waste heat, and increasing the fraction of input power that becomes the mechanical output power of the motor.  Even if your input power decreases when you add a load, this change in waste heat as compared to mechanical output can explain the speeding up to the new steady-state RPM of the rotor.

That's why I explained a method for measuring the mechanical output power of the rotor to Deep Cut.  If you can measure the mechanical output power of the rotor and the input electrical power of the motor then you can derive the waste heat power.  Without knowing these values you are operating in the dark.

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IF THE SYSTEM HAS ACCELERATED (ITSELF) AND THE ON-LOAD KINETIC ENERGY OF THE SYSTEM IS HIGHER THAN THE INITIAL NO-LOAD CONDITION THEN THERE IS MORE OUTPUT POTENTIAL ENERGY (ON-LOAD) THAN THERE WAS ON NO-LOAD AND IS OU!

This statement is simply not true.  For starters, "accelerating itself" is a poor choice of words.  What we are really talking about is the motor going to a higher steady-state RPM after you add a load.  The motor always finds a balance point to a new non-accelerating steady-state RPM.  Why would having more kinetic energy in the spinning rotor (giving you more potential energy to drive a load from the spinning moment of inertia of the rotor) be an indication of OU?  All that means is that the motor went from a lower-RPM steady-state to a higher RPM steady-state over a certain period of time.  The energy to do this came from the input electrical power to the motor.  So the spinning rotor can absorb and store some of the input electrical power that was supplied to the motor over a certain period of time.  That is not OU.

MileHigh
Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: THANE HEINS on March 23, 2013, 03:58:12 PM
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Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: Newton II on March 23, 2013, 04:28:52 PM
Work-Energy Principle :

"The change in the kinetic energy of an object MUST BE equal to the net work done on the object."

THE PHYSICS PERVEYORS OF DUNCE  :-[ ARE SWEATING NOW...  YEH!  ;)

T



Dear Thane Heins Sir,


Change in kinetic energy of  an object  can also come from conversion of  some other form of energy imparted on the system.   

For example  an object kept at a height from the ground will have only potential energy and its kinetic energy will be zero.   When it is dropped from that height, its potential energy slowly vanishes and kinetic energy rises.  When it hits the ground it will have maximum kinetic energy and zero potential energy.   

If kinetic energy developed by  the object is more than the potential energy stored in it,  then it can be called as 'overunity fall'.    Using this kinetic energy you can again send it up making the up and down journey perpetual.

Similarly AUL can occur at the cost of some other energy form input to the system.   If total output developed by AUL system is more than the total input to the system,  then it can be called as OU device.

If total output of AUL device is more than total input,  then you shouldnot have any problem in making the system perpetual. (self running)

Correct me if I am wrong.  I am poor in physics.









Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: THANE HEINS on March 23, 2013, 10:25:00 PM
IGNORANCE IS NOT BLISS PART DEUX

AS PART THE DISPENSING OF IGNORANCE ON THIS FORUM - THERE ARE TWO ANOTHER IMPORTANT ENERGY CONCEPTS THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.

1)
EVERY SYSTEM IS 100% EFFICIENT.

ANYTHING FROM A MOTOR TO A MATCH FLAME IS 100% EFFICIENT.

THE LAW OF CONSERVATION OF ENERGY INSISTS THAT ENERGY CANNOT BE CREATED OR DESTROYED - JUST CONVERTED FROM ONE FORM TO ANOTHER.

THIS MEANS THAT IF YOU ACCOUNTED FOR ALL THE CONVERSION OF ENERGY IN ANY SYSTEM (TO HEAT, NOISE ETC.) THE OUTPUT WILL ALWAYS EQUAL THE INPUT AND THE SYSTEM WILL ALWAYS BE 100% EFFICIENT. IT HAS TO BE... ACCORDING TO THE LAW OF CONSERVATION OF ENERGY.

2)
THE LAW OF CONSERVATION OF ENERGY IS FALSE AND HAS ALWAYS BEEN FALSE IN ANY ELECTRICAL SYSTEM IF A BEMF MAGNETIC FIELD IS CREATED. BECAUSE THIS BEMF ENERGY CAN AND DOES DO WORK...

EVERY GENERATOR, EVERY TRANSFORMER, EVERY MOTOR OR PIECE OF WIRE THAT PRODUCES BEMF IS ALREADY AN OVER-UNITY DEVICE.  ;)

THE ABSOLUTE (NON-DIRECTIONAL) VALUE OF ALL THE ENERGIES CREATED ALWAYS EXCEEDS 100%.

IF WE LOOK AT A GENERATOR ON NO-LOAD FOR EXAMPLE IT IS ALWAYS 100% EFFICIENT.

ALL THE INPUT ENERGY IS BEING CONVERTED TO AN OUTPUT OF MECHANICAL ENERGY, HEAT, NOISE ETC...

WHEN THE GENERATOR IS PLACED ON-LOAD THE MECHANICAL INPUT IN THE DRIVE SHAFT IS CONVERTED TO ELECTRICAL OUTPUT AND SOMETHING ELSE! SOMETHING OFTEN OVERLOOKED AND ALWAYS MISUNDERSTOOD (OR MORE LIKELY COMPLETELY UNDERSTOOD AND DELIBERATELY TWISTED).  :-X

THIS SOMETHING ELSE IS CREATED INTERNALLY AND IS A FORM OF ENERGY - THE SELF-INDUCED BEMF MAGNETIC FIELD WHICH CREATES AN ELECTROMECHANICAL COUNTER-TORQUE AND DECELERATES THE SYSTEM.

IF WE LOOK AT WHAT IS REQUIRED TO CREATE TORQUE (IN ANY DIRECTION) WE WILL SEE THAT FORCE IS REQUIRED TO CREATE TORQUE AND DO WORK AND IF WE LOOK EVEN FURTHER WE WILL SEE THAT ENERGY IS REQUIRED FOR A FORCE TO BE PRODUCED AND DO THE WORK OR TWISTING ACTION. http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/torq.html

NOW IF WE ADD THE ABSOLUTE VALUE OF ALL THE NON-DIRECTIONAL ENERGIES IN THE SYSTEM... THE GENERATOR OUTPUT + THE COUNTER TORQUE WE WILL SEE THAT THIS ALWAYS EXCEEDS THE INPUT ENERGIES.

EXAMPLE IN ANY CONVENTIONAL GENERATOR SYSTEM ...

NO-LOAD INPUT MECHANICAL POWER = 100 WATTS

NO-LOAD EFFICIENCY,

INPUT ENERGY - RESISTANCE + POTENTIAL KINETIC ENERGY / INERTIA = 100% EFFICIENCY

ON-LOAD GENERATOR OUTPUT = 10 WATTS

ON-LOAD INPUT INCREASE REQUIRED TO MAINTAIN SYSTEM RPM AND DELIVER 10 WATTS = 10 WATTS

NEW INPUT = 110 WATTS

BEMF INDUCED COUNTER-ELECTROMOTIVE TORQUE FORCING SYSTEM DECELERATION (AND INPUT INCREASE) = 10 WATTS

NEW ON-LOAD INPUT MECHANICAL POWER = 110 WATTS

GENERATOR OUTPUT = 10 WATTS + BEMF INDUCED TORQUE ENERGY (10 WATTS)

FOR EVERY 1 WATT OF ENERGY DELIVERED TO ANY LOAD AND EQUAL 1 WATT OF COUNTER-ELECTROMOTIVE TORQUE ENERGY IS ALSO CREATED...  ???

TOTAL ON-LOAD OUTPUT = 20 WATTS

TOTAL ON-LOAD INPUT = 10 WATTS

EFFICIENCY 20/10 X 100 = 200%  8)

REGARDS
T

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Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: THANE HEINS on March 24, 2013, 01:18:04 AM
why do you write with all caps ? it's more difficult to read

TO MAKE IT MORE DIFFICULT TO READ...

AND TO SLOW DOWN THE READING PROCESS TO REDUCE SKIMMING AND ENHANCE ABSORPTION.

TO ENCOURAGE CONSCIENTIOUS READING AND FOCUS RATHER THAN THE BELOW...

I cdnuolt blveiee taht I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was rdanieg. The phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid. Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoatnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be in the rghit pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit a porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Amzanig, huh ? Yaeh, and I awlyas thought slpeling was ipmorantt ! Tahts so cool !


Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: DeepCut on March 24, 2013, 01:20:21 AM
no way man, dnot wtrie lkie taht wehn im durnk !


Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: hoptoad on March 24, 2013, 01:42:05 AM
snip...
NEW INPUT = 110 WATTS
snip...
TOTAL ON-LOAD OUTPUT = 20 WATTS
O/U by (-)81.2%. Slightly better than your results a few years ago. Now you've only got to recoup another 81.201 % to be O/U
Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: Newton II on March 24, 2013, 02:57:29 AM
IGNORANCE IS NOT BLISS PART DEUX

AS PART THE DISPENSING OF IGNORANCE ON THIS FORUM



Dearest  Thane Heins Sir,


You should feel lucky to make your postings in ignorant forums because if you make such postings in knowledgible forums, people reading it may fire you with bad words.
 



TOTAL ON-LOAD OUTPUT = 20 WATTS

TOTAL ON-LOAD INPUT = 10 WATTS

EFFICIENCY 20/10 X 100 = 200%  8)

 


Such sort of efficiency calculation may be taught  only in Ottawa University as a part of latest developments in mathematical physics.   I am an old man, studied in old school of physics where I was taught that overall efficiency of any system is the ratio of overall output to overall input.  As per your above description,  no generator in this world would have overall efficiency more than 50%.   If you tell the same thing to a generator manufacturer,  he may also fire you with bad words.

http://www.powerelectricalblog.com/2007/03/generator-efficiency.html




Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: THANE HEINS on March 24, 2013, 03:19:12 AM

I am an old man, studied in old school of physics where I was taught that overall efficiency of any system is the ratio of overall output to overall input.  As per your above description,  no generator in this world would have overall efficiency more than 50%.   If you tell the same thing to a generator manufacturer,  he may also fire you with bad words.

http://www.powerelectricalblog.com/2007/03/generator-efficiency.html

WELL SIR PERHAPS THEY SHOULD HAVE WRITTEN IN ALL CAPS IN YOUR SCHOOL BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T SEE THE TRUE FACT THAT THE INPUT IS NOT THE "OVERALL INPUT" AS YOU SAY BUT RATHER THE OUTPUT OF THE DRIVING ENGINE IN MECHANICAL WATTS NOT THE "OVERALL" INPUT POWER CONSUMPTION OF THE DRIVING ENGINE...  ;)

AS I SAID BACK IN 2008 - AND REPEATED AGAIN IN 2013...

A GENERATOR IS A DEVICE WHICH CONVERTS MECHANICAL POWER TO ELECTRICAL POWER AND THEREFORE THE INPUT TO A GENERATOR IS THE MECHANICAL POWER IN THE DRIVE SHAFT DRIVING THE GENERATOR AND HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THE EFFICIENCY OR INPUT TO THE MECHANICAL DRIVING ENGINE BUT RATHER THE OUTPUT OF THE MECHANICAL DRIVING ENGINE IN DRIVE SHAFT MECHANICAL WATTS...  :P

THANK YOU FOR HELPING CLEAR THAT UP.

NOW IF WE USE THE TRUTH ABOVE AND APPLY IT TO THIS VIDEOS HERE:
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLkH1zLdXy1SypPD7inxAYi8MjkQk91syC

WE WILL CONCLUDE THAT A GENERATOR THAT HAS A DRIVESHAFT THAT IS ALREADY DECELERATING ON NO-LOAD HAS ABSOLUTELY NO POWER IN IT TO DRIVE A GENERATOR AND CERTAINLY NO ABILITY TO ACCELERATE A GENERATOR AND SUPPLY INCREASING POWER TO A LOAD BECAUSE;

MECHANICAL DRIVE SHAFT POWER = TORQUE x SPEED

AND A DRIVE SHAFT THAT IS DECELERATING HAS NEGATIVE TORQUE (LESS THAN ZERO).

SO WHEN THE ReGenX GENERATOR ACCELERATES ITSELF AS SHOWN IN THE VIDEO AND SUPPLIES INCREASING AMOUNTS OF POWER TO THE LOAD - IT'S STARTING WITH A DRIVE SHAFT THAT HAS ZERO WATTS OF MECHANICAL POWER IN IT AND IS OPERATING WITH INFINITE EFFICIENCY.

REGARDS
T
Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: Farmhand on March 24, 2013, 07:00:06 AM
Writing posts in all Capitol letters is like yelling at people, which is rude. I refuse to read posts that are all capitols.
If you don't want me to read your post's Thane then write in all capitol letters.

Short circuiting the grid output or a battery is a whole lot different from short circuiting a generator which drops significant voltage while powering
less than 100 Watts, they are very different supplies. Like comparing watermelons to grapes or like comparing a 1 mega Watt generator to a 50 Watt generator.
When you short circuit a high impedance coil connected a grid socket it is different to shorting a 0.5 Ohm coil connected to a grid socket. A high resistance high inductance coil
can have more DC resistance than a bulb an so therefore dissipate more energy as heat.

Fact 1. I produced a generator which accelerated under load, it was not OU or over 100 % efficient. I didn't require any high impedance coils.
Fact 2. I produced the effect of a decreased input to a transformer under load, it wasn't OU either. Adjusting the magnitude of the effect was easy I could make it so that the
input did not change, so the input increased or so the input decreased.
Fact 3. I used a Tesla transformer to generate a sine wave output which I used to input to another transformer to power loads, I could also produce the reduction of input with
load and short circuit with that arrangement, and guess what it wasn't OU or over 100 % efficient either.

All experiments reduced the load on the supply battery when a load was applied, it is the application of the load which improves the efficiency of the devices.

As I showed in my demo a small load can be powered fully and still see the acceleration, but not a larger load.

The trick is to create a generator or transformer with a very high idle input power because of increased Lenz effect at idle due to the high capacitance, inductance
of the coils and voltage produced, storing significant energy and causing significant Lenz drag, when the load is applied the energy able to be stored in the coil is
less because of the voltage drop the load imparts, hence the loaded lenz effect is less than the unloaded Lenz effect.

I think my scope shots show that.

As I said proof is in the pudding, when it comes to a vehicle there is no grid to use and say that the input to the prime mover from the grid is irrelevant.

Using the Tesla coils one as the generator supplied by a battery I could almost reduce the input to the generator to nothing, but with no input there is no output either.

Cheers

P.S. And a regular generator has a function where if the output voltage tries to drop the input power to the prime mover is increased so that the load is always
supplied with the rated power of the system 240v, 110v ect. You're regenX setups just let the voltage drop and don't power all loads at the rated voltage or thereabouts.

..

What would happen to the input power of a regular generator if it did not increase the input power to accommodate the load at the rated power ? Maybe  the rpm would drop
less fuel could be used and the input would decrease maybe to the point it could sustain the load at a lowered input voltage and power. I'm not sure I haven't tried it.

..

 
Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: MileHigh on March 24, 2013, 07:04:58 AM
Thane:

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THE LAW OF CONSERVATION OF ENERGY IS FALSE AND HAS ALWAYS BEEN FALSE IN ANY ELECTRICAL SYSTEM IF A BEMF MAGNETIC FIELD IS CREATED. BECAUSE THIS BEMF ENERGY CAN AND DOES DO WORK...

EVERY GENERATOR, EVERY TRANSFORMER, EVERY MOTOR OR PIECE OF WIRE THAT PRODUCES BEMF IS ALREADY AN OVER-UNITY DEVICE.

The law of conservation of energy is not false when you examine electrical systems that make use of a back-EMF spike or discharge.  I think even most people on the free energy forums realize this or eventually have come to realize this.  If you think you know better then I challenge you to make a clip of an experiment that clearly demonstrates this claim you are making with all input power or energy measurements and all output power or energy measurements clearly indicated and explained.

For your second statement above I would imagine that many readers are puzzled because in typical applications for transformers and and electrical generators there is no back-EMF spike at all.  The simplest analogy that explains the back-EMF spike is putting rotational energy into a flywheel and then suddenly applying the breaks to the flywheel.  Several experimenters around here get this.

The simple answer is that all of the energy in the back-EMF spike came from the battery that energized the coil in the first place.  So it would appear that you have to rethink your comments about back-EMF spikes in electrical systems or show an experiment that proves your claim.

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SO WHEN THE ReGenX GENERATOR ACCELERATES ITSELF AS SHOWN IN THE VIDEO AND SUPPLIES INCREASING AMOUNTS OF POWER TO THE LOAD - IT'S STARTING WITH A DRIVE SHAFT THAT HAS ZERO WATTS OF MECHANICAL POWER IN IT AND IS OPERATING WITH INFINITE EFFICIENCY.

There is no way that there are zero watts of mechanical power supplied to the drive shaft of a generator when it starts to accelerate under load to eventually stabilize at a higher RPM.

There is always mechanical power being applied by the prime mover to the drive shaft of a generator to keep it turning.  And that of course means that the generator is always applying an equal and opposite mechanical load to the supplied shaft power.  You seem to be stating that when the electrical load is applied to the generator coils that the generator stops producing back-torque to counter the torque applied by the prime mover.  That makes no sense.  The generator is still producing back-torque even as the rotor is accelerating in speed.   There are seveal sources of the back torque; mechanical friction, Lenz drag, and overcoming the moment of inertia of the rotor during the acceleration phase.

Look, you apply a load to a generator and you see the generator RPM speed up to stabilize at a new higher RPM.

Some possible explanations for the speed up after you attach a load to the generator coils:

1.  The prime mover of the generator (like an external motor) applies more power to the drive shaft.
2.  The generator coils offer less resistance to the turning of the generator rotor.  That could be due to some combination of Lenz' Law back-torque effects and how much rotational resistance is caused by the sticky spots (or lack of sticky spots) interacting with, and disturbing, the bearings.
3.  The generator becomes more efficient with more of the drive shaft power going to rotate the rotor and less of the drive shaft power being lost to waste heat in the form of bearing friction and air friction.
4.  Some combination of 1, 2 and 3 above.

I suspect that what you call "regenerative acceleration" is simply point #3 above in action.

So it's not as simple as seeing "acceleration" and thinking something unique or special is going on.   There is a clip on YouTube of a "star motor" or something like that where when a guy simply sticks a few big magnets on the outside of running motor chassis the motor speeds up.  I am assuming that many people have seen this clip but I couldn't find it.  The person in the clip makes some kind of claim that something special is happening.  In this case and without doing any measurements, it appears that the motor simply becomes more efficient because the rotor is seeing stronger external magnetic flux and presumably that causes more output torque, and therefore a higher RPM.  In the clip there is no load on the motor shaft before and after the applying of the magnets.  He applies the external magnets to the motor chassis and then the motor speeds up.

So, in this case you get a more efficient motor but there is a huge trade-off for getting that extra performance.  The motor is much bigger and much heavier after the external magnets are stuck onto the motor chassis.

MileHigh
Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: Newton II on March 24, 2013, 10:45:01 AM

WELL SIR PERHAPS THEY SHOULD HAVE WRITTEN IN ALL CAPS IN YOUR SCHOOL BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T SEE THE TRUE FACT THAT THE INPUT IS NOT THE "OVERALL INPUT" AS YOU SAY BUT RATHER THE OUTPUT OF THE DRIVING ENGINE IN MECHANICAL WATTS NOT THE "OVERALL" INPUT POWER CONSUMPTION OF THE DRIVING ENGINE...  ;)

A GENERATOR IS A DEVICE WHICH CONVERTS MECHANICAL POWER TO ELECTRICAL POWER AND THEREFORE THE INPUT TO A GENERATOR IS THE MECHANICAL POWER IN THE DRIVE SHAFT DRIVING THE GENERATOR AND HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THE EFFICIENCY OR INPUT TO THE MECHANICAL DRIVING ENGINE BUT RATHER THE OUTPUT OF THE MECHANICAL DRIVING ENGINE IN DRIVE SHAFT MECHANICAL WATTS...  :P



Dear, dearer and dearest Thane Heins Sir.


Forget about the engine and think that your AUL generator is coupled with  a DC motor.   In that case the input power to motor will be in watts.  The output of generator will also be in watts.  The overall efficiency will be the ratio of output watts to input watts.  If this ratio is more than one,  then you can feed the generator out put back to motor making the unit self running.

Your argument is  that input  is the power available at motor shaft and not the wattage supplied to motor.

Think that you are supplying 100 Watts of electric power to the motor.  It may develop 90 watts of mechanical power at the shaft after losses in armature.  This 90 watts  shaft is connected to a AUL generator.    If AUL generator produces 101 watts,   then you can transfer 100 watts back to motor and take out 1 watt perpetual energy.     

When things are so simple, why sofar you are unable to make  a self running machine?

The reason would be that when you connect 90  watts shaft to AUL generator,   it will not produce 101 watts.   Generator will have maximum efficiency only at specific speed and on specific load.  ( see the efficiency vs speed curve and efficiency vs load curve ).   When generator accelerates beyond certain speed its efficiency goes down and in addition there will be regular generator losses.
     

AND A DRIVE SHAFT THAT IS DECELERATING HAS NEGATIVE TORQUE (LESS THAN ZERO).



If you load a 8 ton capacity truck with 16 tons and start the truck, the truck will not move.  It only means that the truck doesnot have capacity to pull 16 tons and does not mean that it is developing negative energy.  When drive shaft decelerates, it only means that it is unable to overcome the load and does not mean that it is developing negative torque.  ( what do you mean by negative torque?)


AND IS OPERATING WITH INFINITE EFFICIENCY.



As a old man I would request lord Electricus ( God of electricity)  to bless your generator with infinite efficiency, infinite current, infinite voltage, infinite wattage and your bike to run with  INFINITE SPEED.





Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: THANE HEINS on March 24, 2013, 12:40:03 PM
When you short circuit a high impedance coil connected a grid socket it is different to shorting a 0.5 Ohm coil connected to a grid socket. A high resistance high inductance coil can have more DC resistance than a bulb an so therefore dissipate more energy as heat.

GOOD SCIENCE IS GOOD OBSERVATION AND AS MY MOTOR PROF ALWAYS SAID "IF IT DOESN'T WORK THE 1ST TIME GO BACK AND FOLLOW THE DIRECTIONS!"

NOTICE I NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT SHORTING A HIGH IMPEDANCE COIL CONNECTED TO A GRID SCOCKET...

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Fact 1. I produced a generator which accelerated under load, it was not OU or over 100 % efficient. I didn't require any high impedance coils.

YES I KNOW YOU SATURATED THE CORE... WHICH IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT STORY.

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Fact 2. I produced the effect of a decreased input to a transformer under load, it wasn't OU either. Adjusting the magnitude of the effect was easy I could make it so that the input did not change, so the input increased or so the input decreased.

YOU SHOULD PATENT IT.

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What would happen to the input power of a regular generator if it did not increase the input power to accommodate the load at the rated power ?

THE INPUT POWER TO ANY GENERATOR IS THE MECHANICAL POWER IN THE DRIVE SHAFT.

THE COUNTER-ELECTROMOTIVE-TORQUE FROM THE REGULAR GENERATOR WOULD ROB THE DRIVESHAFT OF TORQUE AND THE SYSTEM WOULD DECELERATE.

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Maybe the rpm would drop less fuel could be used and the input would decrease maybe to the point it could sustain the load at a lowered input voltage and power. I'm not sure I haven't tried it. 

IN FACT THE RPM WOULD DROP AND THE GENERATOR OUTPUT WOULD DROP AS WELL. IF THE FUEL WAS NOT INCREASED TO SUPPLY THE LOAD THE SYSTEM WOULD EVENTUALLY STALL AS PER HERE:

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLkH1zLdXy1SypPD7inxAYi8MjkQk91syC

IN A CORRECT ReGenX APPLICATION NO MAGNITUDE OF LOAD (AN INFINITE NUMER OF LIGHT BULBS CONNECTED IN PARALLEL)WILL NEVER CAUSE SYSTEM DECELERATION.

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Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: minnie on March 24, 2013, 12:56:33 PM
Hi,
   could anyone say what's an AUL  generator please?
                                                                         John.
                                                                                 
Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: THANE HEINS on March 24, 2013, 01:11:50 PM
Thane:

There is no way that there are zero watts of mechanical power supplied to the drive shaft of a generator

WHEN IT IS DECELERATING - YOU BETTER BELIEVE THERE IS!  :D

AND IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW MUCH MECHANICAL POWER IS SUPPLIED TO IT - IT ONLY MATTERS WHAT THE DRIVESHAFT IS DOING...

A DRIVE SHAFT THAT IS ACCELERATING HAS ENERGY IN IT AND POSITIVE TORQUE.
(and will drive a generator until the generator counter-torque reduces the positive torque to NET zero)

A DRIVE SHAFT THAT IS AT A STEADY STATE SPEED HAS ZERO NET TORQUE AND ZERO NET ENERGY.
(will not drive a generator and will decelerate under an infinitely small load)

A DRIVE SHAFT THAT IS DECELERATING HAS A NEGATIVE TORQUE (I.E. LESS THAN ZERO).
(is the worst case scenario - absolutely zero mechanical input power and no way to ever be able to accelerate anything ever)

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There is always mechanical power being applied by the prime mover to the drive shaft of a generator to keep it turning.


NOT WHEN IT IS DECELERATING BABY!  ;)

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And that of course means that the generator is always applying an equal and opposite mechanical load to the supplied shaft power.  MileHigh

ABSOLUTELY AT A STEADY STATE SPEED YES.

MECHANICAL INPUT POWER = MECHANICAL LOAD REQUIREMENTS

SO THE NET TORQUE AND NET DRIVE SHAFT POWER IS ALWAYS ZERO AT ANY STEADY STATE SPEED IN ANY SYSTEM.

WHEN THE ReGenX GENERATOR BEGINS TO ACCELERATE ITSELF AND SUPPLY POWER TO THE LOAD IT DOES SO WITH ZERO WATTS OF MECHANICAL DRIVE SHAFT POWER AND INFINITE EFFICIENCY.

BTW, INFINITE EFFICIENCY IS NOT THE SAME AS INFINITE POWER, SPEED ECT.

REGARDS
Thane

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Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: THANE HEINS on March 24, 2013, 01:43:38 PM

Forget about the engine and think that your generator is coupled with  a DC motor.


AS WE DO HERE: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLkH1zLdXy1Sz9Osny42gbLvxLpdZsyDxw

HERE: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTH23w7p1OA&list=PLkH1zLdXy1SzzHRYMvvrodtTA7UPj6Zmy&index=1

AND HERE: http://www.slideshare.net/ThaneCHeins/regenx-jln-labs-independent-report1

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The overall efficiency will be the ratio of output watts to input watts. 

YES WHEN WE "FORGET ABOUT THE ENGINE"...

THE INPUT IS THE MECHANICAL POWER IN THE DRIVE SHAFT AND THE OUTPUT IS THE POWER TO THE LOAD.

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If this ratio is more than one,  then you can feed the generator out put back to motor making the unit self running.
ABSOLUTELY TRUE! BUT THE GENERATOR OUTPUT HAS TO EXCEED ALL THE LOSSES IN THE SYSTEM.

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Your argument is that input is the power available at motor shaft and not the wattage supplied to motor.

NOT MY ARGUEMENT YOUR ARGUEMENT BUT YOU ARE THE POOR OLD GUY RIGHT?

YOU PROBABLY FORGOT? SO I PUT IT BELOW AGAIN.

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Think that you are supplying 100 Watts of electric power to the motor.  It may develop 90 watts of mechanical power at the shaft after losses in armature.  This 90 watts  shaft is connected to a generator.

WHEN THIS 90 WATTS IS CONNECTED TO A GENERATOR THE GENERATORS INERTIA WILL REDUCE THIS AVAILABLE POWER ACCORDINGLY.

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If generator produces 101 watts,   then you can transfer 100 watts back to motor and take out 1 watt perpetual energy.
     

NOPE.

THE ENERGY REQUIRED TO DRIVE THE GENERATOR'S MECHANICAL LOAD ALSO HAS TO BE FACTORED IN.

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When things are so simple, why sofar you are unable to make  a self running machine?

WHO SAID WE HAVEN'T?

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As a old man I would request lord Electricus ( God of electricity)  to bless your generator with infinite efficiency, infinite current, infinite voltage, infinite wattage and your bike to run with  INFINITE SPEED.

THANK YOU POOR OLD MAN...  ;)
Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: DeepCut on March 24, 2013, 02:08:37 PM
Hi,
   could anyone say what's an AUL  generator please?
                                                                         John.
                                                                               

Hi minnie.

AUL just stands for acceleration-under-load. A phenomenon noticed by Adams, Muller, possibly Newman (i don't know who spotted it first ?).

It can be saturation of the core or it can be to do with the retarded rise-time of the inductor.

I think it's something more than this, there are some strange effects that can't be explained conventionally.

Motor-generators are a mature technology, which means that noone tries to make them very differently, which means that exploration of topology, speed, frequency has taken a few, fixed paths.

Thane has taken this effect further than anyone, he's pushed the boundaries.

If you go to the first page of this thread there are videos and documents that explain the theory.


All the best,

DC.
Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: THANE HEINS on March 24, 2013, 02:26:17 PM
Thane has taken this effect further than anyone, he's pushed the boundaries.

AND WITH ANY LUCK - ALL THE WAY TO THE ANL AND US DOE  :)

AND WHY VETTING ALL THE POSSIBLE IDIOTIC ARGUEMENT(S) IS SO IMPORTANT AND NECESSARY HERE AS IS EXPANDING THE KNOWLEDGE BASE AND PRESERVING THE INNOVATION.

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: PDi ReGenX Demo to U.S. - Argonne National Laboratory (ANL) & DOE
From: <thaneh@potentialdifference.ca>
Date: Sat, March 23, 2013 12:16 pm
To: "Johnson, Larry R."
Cc: Christy Cooper, Yury Kalish, David Danielson, Patrick Davis, Ian Potter, David Lisk, Gilles Leclerc, James E Hansen

Dear Larry,
 
Thank you for responding.
 
PDi would be very happy to come to Chicago at our expense and provide your engineers at the Argonne National Laboratory (and DOE) with a live ReGenX demo as soon as the arrangements can be made.
 
We would also be very happy to show you how the USA can begin to meet President Obama's Target below in one year (not 10) and for zero dollars (not $2 billion).
 
With support (official or unofficial) from the ANL and the DOE, PDi will provide any US company interested with a manufacturing and or distribution IP license and we will provide all the necessary manufacturing templates via our engineering partners in the UK, Germany, France, Canada and the USA.
 
No additional research funds are required and the innovation is currently being integrated into several EV platforms globally.
 
Here is an interim ReGenX report as prepared for Richard Branson and Prince Charles for their pending demo in the UK from the same scientist who has provided demonstrations previously to Kofi Annan and the UN.

JLN Labs FRANCE ReGenX Report: http://www.slideshare.net/ThaneCHeins/regenx-jln-labs-independent-report1
 
Also please find attached independent test data as provided by a retired National Research Council of Canada scientist which shows the ReGenX generator delivering over 200% more power to a load with 40% less input energy required over a conventional generator at the same RPM (lines 5 & 7). As you know in an EV this would translate to over 200% more range with 40% less battery power and about triple the current range of any EV on the road today. We would replay this test protocol identically for your engineers in any informal or formal demonstration.
 
Kind regards
Thane
 
Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil  

President Barack Obama is pushing Congress to authorize $200 million a year for research into clean energy technologies that can wean automobiles off oil.
 
Obama proposed the idea of an energy security trust last month in his State of the Union address, but he was putting a price tag on the idea during a trip Friday to the Argonne National Laboratory outside Chicago - $2 billion over 10 years. The White House said the research would be paid for with revenue from federal oil and gas leases on offshore drilling and would not add to the deficit.
 
The money would fund research on "breakthrough" technologies such as batteries for electric cars and biofuels made from switch grass or other materials. Researchers also would look to improve use of natural gas as a fuel for cars and trucks.
http://www.pddnet.com/news/2013/03/obama-wants-research-wean-vehicles-oil-0?et_cid=3142699&et_rid=353761931&linkid=http%3a%2f%2fwww.pddnet.com%2fnews%2f2013%2f03%2fobama-wants-research-wean-vehicles-oil-0&goback=%2Egmr_3049403%2Egde_3049403_member_223327427 
 
 
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: U.S. - China Clean Energy Research Center Introduction to Regenerative Acceleration Generator (ReGenX) Technology
From: Johnson, Larry R.
Date: Fri, March 22, 2013 5:20 pm
To: "thaneh@potentialdifference.ca" <thaneh@potentialdifference.ca>
Cc: christy.cooper, yury.kalish, David.Danielson, patrick.davis, Ian Potter, David Lisk, Gilles.Leclerc, James.e.hansen


Thane Heins
 
I regret the delay in responding, but our engineers were very busy last week preparing for President Barack Obama visit to Argonne on Friday to see our transportation research. 
 
A few of us have taken a quick look at the links you provided.  Needless to say, it is an interesting concept.  We appreciate the offer to come to Ottawa to see a live demonstration, but with tight budgets, we would not be able to do that.  You mention that you could also demonstrate the device at TRACC’s location.  Do you have a working relationship with TRACC?  Certainly if you come to the Chicago area, we could carve out some time to observe a demonstration. 
 
To be clear, we are not funded by the Department of Energy to conduct testing and evaluations of novel energy concepts.  On occasion, we have conducted these types of tests at the specific direction of DOE or in rare cases when funded by a company.  Therefore unless we are directed by DOE to conduct an assessment of your new generator, we would only be able to observe your demonstration, but would not likely be in a position to officially comment on it. That said, several of us would be interested seeing your demonstration should you have occasion to be in the Chicago area.
 
Regards,
 
   Larry
 
From: thaneh@potentialdifference.ca [mailto:thaneh@potentialdifference.ca]
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2013 5:55 AM
To: Johnson, Larry R.
Cc: christy.cooper; yury.kalish; David.Danielson; patrick.davis; Ian Potter; David Lisk; Gilles.Leclerc; james.e.hansen

Subject: U.S. - China Clean Energy Research Center Introduction to Regenerative Acceleration Generator (ReGenX) Technology

Dear Dr. Johnson,
 
Please allow me to introduce you to (and invite you to a live demonstration) of a new electric generator innovation that has been developed here in Canada at the University of Ottawa which has the capacity to reverse the regenerative braking paradigm that currently exists in EVs and produce regenerative acceleration in its place.
 
The ReGenX generator innovation reverses the counter-electromotive-torque or decelerative torque produced by all generators which causes EVs to decelerate while recharging their batteries and creates a complementary-electromotive-torque or accelerative torque in its place.
 
This innovation allows EVs to recharge themselves as they drive and does not rely on vehicle inertia to drive the generator.
 
Because a complementary-electromotive-torque is produced, the ReGenX generator can begin recharging an EV's batteries at 4 mph and continue to do so during acceleration, coasting and during braking. Regenerative braking can also be retained if desired.
 
The graph below shows a conventional 'regenerative braking' generator (in red) on load and the ReGenX regenerative acceleration generator in blue.
 
The conventional generator creates a counter-electromotive-torque and causes system deceleration under load whereas the ReGenX generator creates a complementary-electromotive-torque and accelerates the system under load. These tests are being produced independently in France http://jnaudin.free.fr/dlenz/DLE08en.htm 
 
This link (http://jnaudin.free.fr/dlenz/DLE09en.htm) provides test data concerning charging an EV battery with system acceleration.
 
If you are interested in a live Regenerative Acceleration Generator demonstration here in Ottawa or in at TRACC's location in Chicago please let me know at your convenience. The demonstration would be very similar to this one:http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLkH1zLdXy1SypPD7inxAYi8MjkQk91syC
 
http://jnaudin.free.fr/dlenz/DLE08en.htm

http://jnaudin.free.fr/dlenz/DLE09en.htm
 
Kind regards
Thane
 
Thane C. Heins
President & CEO
Potential +/- Difference Inc. R & D
"Using our potential to make a difference"
Email: thaneh@potentialdifference.ca
Cell: 613.795.1602
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Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: DeepCut on March 24, 2013, 02:45:05 PM
I know a few of you have long thought this technology a mere interesting but useless anomaly.

Luckily, all it takes is time. I think you'll be amazed within 18-24 months, perhaps even sooner.

And that day won't be a day of 'i told you so', it'll be a day of 'thank god it works', because the global economy isn't getting better.


All the best,

DC.


Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: THANE HEINS on March 24, 2013, 03:02:59 PM
And that day won't be a day of 'i told you so', it'll be a day of 'thank god it works', because the global economy isn't getting better.

All the best,

DC.

THE USA'S OFFICIAL NATIONAL DEBT IS $120 TRILLION AND GROWING (as planned).

WHEN CHINA'S HOUSING BUBBLE BURSTS (as planned),

THE USA WILL HAVE TO DECLARE FORCE MAJEURE - BUT NOT BEFORE THEY GET THE GUNS AWAY FROM THE PEOPLE (as planned)...

THEN THEY WILL ROLL OUT THE AMERO (as planned)

IT'S CLASSIC PROBLEM, REACTION, SOLUTION

THE ONLY POSSIBLE WAY TO AVIOD THIS IS TO TRY TO CHANGE THE USA'S (AND CHINA'S) ENERGY PARADIGM ASAP BEFORE THE SH-T HITS THE FAN ABOVE...


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Canada's Peaceful Energy Solution to the US Financial Bankruptcy, Energy Self Reliance, Oil Wars and Global Warming
From: <thaneh@potentialdifference.ca>
Date: Tue, March 05, 2013 8:53 am
To: "David.Danielson"
Cc: "james.e.hansen" , "Gilles.Brassard", "chris.hadfield-1", "Gilles.Leclerc", "David Lisk", "Ian Potter","anup.jacob" virgingreenfund


Hello David,
 
Our company is currently developing an energy solution here in Canada and France which will make the USA energy independent in 2013 and beyond.
 
This innovation will also save your country from bankruptcy and help pay your down your "official" $120 trillion national debt:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/mikepatton/2012/07/23/is-america-bankrupt/
 
This innovation will also help the USA meet the Kyoto targets and help bring your soldiers home from the current oil wars they are fighting and dying in.
 
The innovation has already been validated by Defence Research and Development Canada at the University of Ottawa in 2009 (attached) and under further development and validation below.
 
Kind regards
Thane
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cm-YQdfEqBA
 
http://jnaudin.free.fr/dlenz/DLE11en.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwUAAKFd69s&list=PLkH1zLdXy1Sy3_St1tUwtY_6qiusDkyG9&index=5
 
Thane C. Heins
President & CEO
Potential +/- Difference Inc. R & D
"Using our potential to make a difference"
Email: thaneh@potentialdifference.ca
Cell: 613.795.1602
 
 
-----Original Message-----Subject: For Steve Isakowitz VIRGIN GALACTIC and David Danielson US D.O.E as sent to NASA.
From: thaneh <thaneh@potentialdifference.ca>
To: virgingalactic <virgingalactic@virgingalactic.com>; David.Danielson
Cc: james.e.hansen ; Gilles.Brassard ; chris.hadfield-1 ; Gilles.Leclerc ; Elaine.O'Farrell NRCan-RNCan.gc.ca>; David Lisk,  Ian Potter anup.jacob virgingreenfund
Sent: Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:29 pm

Dear Mr. Isakowitz and Mr. Danielson,
 
Please allow me to take a moment of your time to introduce you both to a very important energy innovation which has recently been introduced to NASA at their request.
 
This innovation has important implications for the aerospace industry but more importantly and immediately as a global warming energy solution and a means for the United States of America to greatly reduce its foreign energy requirements and for the USA to reduce its national debt.
 
The energy innovation is called a Bi-Toroid Transformer (BiTT) and it is important because it delivers Real Power like any normal transformer but it consumes only Reactive Power in the transformer primary. Reactive power has a zero net average power consumption.
 
The BiTT was developed by our company, Potential Difference Inc. in our satellite lab at the University of Ottawa in cooperation with Toroid Technologies of Toronto and was performance validated by four PhDs from Canadian National Defence, Research and Development. Defence Research and Development Canada's test data is attached as taken by Dr. Giovanni Fusina. The BiTT was later computer modelled by a senior scientist at Philips (Philips computer modeling also attached).
 
Because the BiTT only consumes purely Reactive Power but delivers real power it has the capacity to reduce the power consumption of any electrical device to near zero levels. For example a 100 Watt light bulb could potentially be illuminated to full brightness with only 0.04 Watts of actual power being consumed if we employ Dr. Fusina's DRDC calculations and 0.00 Watts if  Philip's calculations are employed. 
 
In reality the BiTT consumes net zero Watts in the transformer primary (reactive power only) but delivers any magnitude of real power to any load.
 
If a BiTT were connected between the White House (or any house or business in America) and the grid their power consumption would each be reduced to virtually zero.
 
While all this may seem like fantasy at first glance, I can assure you that the BiTT has been rigorously tested and independently performance validated and currently being validated in France. The BiTT is also being commercialized worldwide with three transformer manufacturers currently on board.
 
For your review. please find below (and attached) detailed testing and analysis which anyone can easily understand.
 
Kind regards
Thane
 
http://www.slideshare.net/ThaneCHeins/how-to-make-a-bitoroid-transformer-and-exceed-100-percent-efficiency-in-2013
 
http://www.slideshare.net/ThaneCHeins/how-a-bi-toroid-transformer-outperforms-a-conventional-transformer-16328830
 
http://www.slideshare.net/ThaneCHeins/pdi-multiple-bitoroid-transformer-bitt-testing-for-magna-international-2009
 
http://www.slideshare.net/ThaneCHeins/how-to-eliminate-transformer-cooling-requirements-using-bitoroid-transformer-design
 
http://jnaudin.free.fr/dlenz/DLE06en.htm
 
http://jnaudin.free.fr/dlenz/DLE03en.htm
 
http://jnaudin.free.fr/dlenz/DLE11en.htm 
 
BiTT Demo Videos http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLkH1zLdXy1Sy3_St1tUwtY_6qiusDkyG9
 
Thane C. Heins
President & CEO
Potential +/- Difference Inc. R & D
"Using our potential to make a difference"
Email: thaneh@potentialdifference.ca
Cell: 613.795.1602
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Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: MileHigh on March 24, 2013, 03:16:23 PM
Thane:

I believe about a year ago you went to the States to work with a small electric scooter manufacturer.  You were going to add your system to the electric scooter to increase the battery range and were doing field trials with them.

May I ask what the status of that project is?

Thanks,

MileHigh
Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: THANE HEINS on March 24, 2013, 03:38:42 PM
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: NRC / DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE CEASE AND DESIST LETTER... & Live Demonstration Invitation.
From: <thaneh@potentialdifference.ca>
Date: Thu, March 07, 2013 2:51 pm
To: Bogdan.Ciobanu@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca
Cc: "Ian Potter" Ian.Potter@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca, louise.boudreau@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca, "David Lisk"<David.Lisk@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca>, investigate@cbc.ca, W5@ctv.ca, jschnurr@ctv.ca, jackiesyrett@rogers.com, "Tyler Hamilton"<mcmurchie@gmail.com>, "Lucy Hass" <Lucy.Hass@metroland.com>, "RickMercer Report" <info@rickmercer.com>, fifth@cbc.ca


Dear Bogdan,
 
Thank you for your letter threatening me with legal action if I don't stop trying to bring the NRC's attention to the new generator innovation developed a few kilometers from NRC that allows EVs to recharge themselves as they drive. I am sorry I won't be able to comply with your request however.
 
Instead I'd like to offer you a compromise to a court case and a waste of taxpayers money and any NRC embarrassment.
 
Please allow me to invite you to a live demonstration of a new electric generator innovation that now allows all EVs to recharge themselves as they drive.
 
This innovation reverses Lenz's Law (Newton's Third Law for generators) and by extension NEGATES the Law of Conservation of Energy.
 
If any NRC scientist can PROVE in public testing that the innovation is NOT ABSOLUTELY TRUE then I will cease and desist and provide letters of apology and pay any damages. (one retired NRC scientist, Doug Hartwick already proved it true at the University of Ottawa [please see attached])
 
It ought to be easy enough to prove false when you consider it would be the GREATEST SCIENTIFIC ENERGY BREAKTHROUGH IN HUMAN HISTORY if proven true.
 
Please consider for a moment what this innovation can mean for the world if I am right...
 
The innovation has been developed here in Ottawa at the University of Ottawa and it has the capacity to reverse the regenerative braking paradigm that currently exists in EVs and produce regenerative acceleration in its place. The ReGenX generator innovation reverses the counter-electromotive-torque or decelerative torque produced by all generators which causes EVs to decelerate while recharging their batteries and creates a complementary-electromotive-torque or accelerative torque in its place.
 
Because a complementary-electromotive-torque is produced, the ReGenX generator can begin recharging an EV's batteries at 4 mph and continue to do so during acceleration, coasting and during braking. Regenerative braking can also be retained if desired.
 
The graph below shows a conventional 'regenerative braking' generator (in red) on load and the ReGenX regenerative acceleration generator in blue.
 
The conventional generator creates a counter-electromotive-torque and causes system deceleration under load whereas the ReGenX generator creates a complementary-electromotive-torque and accelerates the system under load. These tests are being produced independently in France http://jnaudin.free.fr/dlenz/DLE08en.htm   
 
This link (http://jnaudin.free.fr/dlenz/DLE09en.htm) provides test data concerning charging an EV battery with system acceleration.
 
If you are interested in a live Regenerative Acceleration Generator demonstration here in Ottawa please let me know at your convenience. The demonstration would be very similar to this one: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLkH1zLdXy1SypPD7inxAYi8MjkQk91syC and takes about 10 minutes.
 
http://jnaudin.free.fr/dlenz/DLE08en.htm
 
http://jnaudin.free.fr/dlenz/DLE09en.htm
 
Kind regards
Thane
 
Thane C. Heins
President & CEO
Potential +/- Difference Inc. R & D
"Using our potential to make a difference"
Email: thaneh@potentialdifference.ca
Cell: 613.795.1602
Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: Newton II on March 24, 2013, 04:03:03 PM


Dear Thane Heins Sir,


Why are you trying to attract me with  your secretary, Sir?   I said I am a old man.

Anyway when can I expect your bike in the market?   Can you send  one bike free of cost to this poor old man as a friendly compliment?
 
Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: THANE HEINS on March 24, 2013, 04:34:03 PM

Dear Thane Heins Sir,


Why are you trying to attract me with  your secretary, Sir?   I said I am a old man.

Anyway when can I expect your bike in the market?   Can you send  one bike free of cost to this poor old man as a friendly compliment?


OK YOU ARE OLD - FINE BUT ARE YOU NOT DEAD YET ARE YOU...?  :-\

OUR DELIVERY GIRL WILL BE OVER SOON... BUT DON'T HAVE A HEART ATTACK WHEN SHE ASKS YOU WHERE YOU WANT TO STICK IT!  :o
Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: Newton II on March 24, 2013, 06:02:12 PM


I think your bike, your secretary and your delivery girls are as cheap as you?  Non-productive wastes?
Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: DeepCut on March 24, 2013, 06:04:23 PM
Let's try and keep it clean please !

Thane, don't be rude to seniors, even if you think they are not what they claim to be.

Mr Newton, no personal insults please.


All the best,

DC.

Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: THANE HEINS on March 24, 2013, 06:11:08 PM
Let's try and keep it clean please !

Thane, don't be rude to seniors, even if you think they are not what they claim to be.

All the best,

DC.

SORRY DC...

BE A DEAR AND COME OVER AND SCRUB MY BACK WHEN YOU HAVE A MOMENT WON'T YOU?  :P

THANKS
Thane <3
Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: DeepCut on March 24, 2013, 06:14:11 PM
It would be all my pleasure, treasure !

Let me fetch the elephant brush !


DC.

Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: THANE HEINS on March 24, 2013, 06:21:48 PM
AND DON'T FORGET THE MOISTURIZER LIKE LAST TIME!

MY FOLDS ARE ALL CHAFING NOW.  >:(

T
Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: Newton II on March 24, 2013, 06:24:01 PM
Let's try and keep it clean please !

Mr Newton, no personal insults please.


All the best,

DC.


Sorry,  DC Sir,  if you are hurt, you can delete it.   But as a old man my sincere advice is 'keep away from bad people'


Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: THANE HEINS on March 24, 2013, 06:45:48 PM

"History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the 'bad people', but the appalling silence of the good people."
~ Martin Luther King, Jr.


The greatest danger to the world is not the bad people but it's the good people who don't speak out.
~ Albert Einstein

Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: THANE HEINS on March 24, 2013, 06:48:55 PM
deleted double post
Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: Bob Smith on March 24, 2013, 07:41:55 PM
I'd say that guy at the computer had a little too much regenerative acceleration :)
 
But seriously... Thane, I've been an admirer of your work - from the west end of the Ottawa Valley - since you first appeared on this forum.  I've learned a lot from these discussions, and sincerely hope to see your technology widely used.  Humanity has a lot to gain.
All the best, and
Nisi illegitimi carburundum :)
Bob
Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: THANE HEINS on March 24, 2013, 07:51:01 PM
Nisi illegitimi carburundum :)
Bob

NICE! Steve Jobs said the same thing although a little more wordy...

Thanks
Thane

Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower...
Your time is limited, so don't waste it living someone else's life.
Don't be trapped by dogma - which is living with the results of other people's thinking.
Don't let the noise of others' opinions drown out your own inner voice.
And most important, have the courage to follow your heart and intuition.
~ Steve Jobs

Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: Newton II on March 25, 2013, 04:07:09 PM

The greatest danger to the world is not the bad people but it's the good people who don't speak out.
~ Albert Einstein



Bisogna prima pensare e poi fare.

Idiomatic translation: A closed mouth catches no flies.



Steve Jobs said the same thing although a little more wordy...


Carta canta.

Idiomatic translation: "If the beard were all, even the goat might preach.”





Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: Newton II on March 26, 2013, 04:33:36 AM


http://www.sciscoop.com/thane-heins-perepiteia-explained-away.html

http://www.sciscoop.com/perepiteia.pdf
Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: THANE HEINS on March 26, 2013, 12:37:39 PM
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: PDi UNOFFICIAL ReGenX Demo to U.S. - Argonne National Laboratory (ANL) & DOE
From: <thaneh@potentialdifference.ca>
Date: Mon, March 25, 2013 2:04 pm
To: Johnson Larry   anl.gov
Cc: christy cooper doe.gov, yury kalish doe.gov , David Danielson hq.doe.gov, patrick davis ee.doe.gov , Ian Potter VP NRC nrc-cnrc.gc.ca, David Lisk nrc-cnrc.gc.ca, Gilles.Leclerc asc-csa.gc.ca>, james e hansen NASA.gov>, Michael Steinitz stfx.ca


Dear Larry,
 
Thank you and I completely understand your position after all we spent 2.5 "unofficial" years in the Power Lab at the University of Ottawa.
 
I am glad to hear that you obey the Laws of Physics as do I but the Theory of Thermodynamics is not a Law, it at best an incomplete theory or scientific glimpse and as a result has never been applicable where electric generators and transformers are concerned.
 
Below I explain (twice) why the Theory of Thermodynamics and the Theory of Conservation of Energy have never ever applied in electric generators or electric transformers. Many PhDs that we have introduced this new perspective to over the years already agree to its validity albeit "unofficially." :-)
 
REASON 1
Why the Theory of Conservation of Energy, the Theory of Thermodynamics, Lenz's Law and Newton's Third Law
have NEVER applied in Electric Generators or Transformers


Newton's Third Law states that:  

"For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton's_laws_of_motion
 
Lenz's Law is simply an extension of Newton's Third Law and the Law of Conservation of Energy as it applies to generators and is well know colloquially in electric vehicles as "regenerative braking."
 
Lenz's Law states that:  

"A voltage (emf) that is induced by a changing magnetic field always gives rise to a current whose induced magnetic field always has a magnetic polarity that is identical to the original changing magnetic field polarity and as such always opposes the original changing magnetic field" 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenz's_law
 
Equal magnetic fields but opposite direction = Newton's Third Law.
 
When these laws are manifested in an electric vehicle's generator or any electric generator for that matter the result is a resistance effect produced by the generator and a deceleration effect or magnetic friction (i.e. electric vehicle regenerative braking) which requires an increase in input torque and input power to overcome.
 
Obviously the magnitude of the deceleration effect is directly proportional to the magnitude of current flow*** as dictated by Len's Law. (***very important for Reason 2 below...)
 
From a conceptual standpoint, Newton's Third Law is seen when a person walks: they push against the floor, and the floor pushes against the person. Similarly, the tires of a car push against the road while the road pushes back on the tires - the tires and road simultaneously push against each other.
 
Everything up to this point makes absolute sense until we realize that:
 
the floor or the road are NOT creating a FORCE INTERNALLY which pushes on the person or the car forward.
 
Whereas, an electric generator while operating according to all of the theories above, absolutely MUST self-produce an internal force or torque or Counter-Electromotive-Force or Torque to be exact. (motive is the key word here BTW...)
 
Torque is defined by:  

"an influence which tends to change (accelerate or decelerate) the rotational motion of an object"   or  Torque = Force applied x lever arm http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/torq.html
 
And the Work Energy Principle states that:

"The change in the kinetic energy (acceleration or deceleration) of an object is equal to the net work done on the object."
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/work.html#wepr 
 
The fact of the matter for an electric generator is simply this:

In order to have a torque (in any direction - counter-electromotive or complementary-electromotive, whatever) that will,
change the rotational motion of an object (in any direction, accelerating or decelerating),

a force MUST FIRST be applied,
and you cannot have a force without doing work,
and you cannot do work without energy.

So when an electric generator obeys Lenz's Law and Newton's Third Law et al, it is actually:

Creating a counter-electromotive-TORQUE which does WORK by CHANGING THE ROTATIONAL MOTION of the system - which ALL requires ENERGY to do so. (you can't create a torque and do any kind of work without energy)

Therefore:
 
IF the ABSOLUTE VALUE of ALL the NON-DIRECTIONAL ENERGIES created in any electric generator were correctly accounted for i.e. the ELECTRICAL ENERGY + the MECHANICAL ENERGY which does the work required to change the rotational motion (and decelerate) the system, then we would have to conclude that ALL of the "laws" above are FALSE and have never applied in electric generators or transformers - and science has been duped and it is high time it un-duped itself. 
(ideally before we destroy ourselves). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_value
 
REASON 2
Lenz's Law ONLY applies IF the induced current that gives rise to the opposing magnetic field energy and counter-electromotive-torque are operating IN THE SAME TIME DOMAIN.
Any time delay NEGATES Lenz's Law, Newton's Third Law and the Theory of Conservation of Energy and the ReGenX generator delays current flow in the coil by 180 degrees - so it operates in a boundary region where these Laws do not apply.
 
Below the ReGenX coil's Critical Minimum Frequency (CMF) the Regenerative Acceleration (ReGenX) Generator operates in accordance with Lenz's Law and decelerates when a load is applied.
 
When operated above the CMF the ReGenX generator coil ceases to store energy in the electromagnetic field as all inductors do and begins to store energy in the electrostatic field -inside the coil as a capacitor. The rising frequency of the changing magnetic field increases the coil's impedance and restricts the current flow until it ceases at the CMF.
 
As a result the ReGenX coil's internally stored voltage (emf) and current flow is delayed until the "changing magnetic field" is no longer changing.
 
The changing magnetic field is no longer changing when the magnetic field is neither approaching nor receding the coil's core at Top Dead Centre (TDC).
 
At this delayed point in time (TDC) the entire voltage that is stored inside the coil, capacitively between the wires (or plates with the air as the dielectric) can now be dissipated and current can flow throuth coil and the load because the Frequency Component (of the equation Zt = 2 pi F L + Rdc) is zero when the magnetic field is neither approaching nor receding and the impedance of the coil drops to the low DC resistance of the coil.
 
This simple video below shows this very effectively.
 
"Time delays violate Newton's Third Law [and the Law of Conservation of Energy] because even an infinitesimal time without the second force violates the idea of force-pairs and hence of Newton's Third Law."
Professor Nathaniel Lasry, Physics John Abbot College 
 
Operation of the ReGenX Generator BELOW and Above the CRITICAL MINIMUM FREQUENCY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJ236Gd-CVQ&list=PLkH1zLdXy1Sz9Osny42gbLvxLpdZsyDxw&index=1
 
The truth is isolated forces can and do exist in the operation of the ReGenX Generator Innovation above the CMF.
 
Here is a Peer Reviewed Official ReGenX Report as prepared by Kinectrics (an Ontario Hydro Research lab) which shows some early schematics. Unfortunately for us this report required a substantial official price tag. http://www.slideshare.net/ThaneCHeins/kinectrics-draft-report-with-over-100-errors-k-011 
 
And a very good schematic provided by a Dutch Electrical Engineer.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVFXSZzUNmE&list=PLkH1zLdXy1SwReqk9qpqXRzxDDOIPwDFH&index=2
 
Please feel free to let me know anytime you might be interested in observing the innovation in person unofficially?
 
Kind regards
Thane
 
 
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: PDi ReGenX Demo to U.S. - Argonne National Laboratory (ANL) & DOE
From: "Johnson, Larry R."
Date: Mon, March 25, 2013 10:25 am
To: "thaneh@potentialdifference.ca" <thaneh@potentialdifference.ca>
Cc: christy cooper doe.gov yury kalish hq.doe.gov , David Danielson hq.doe.gov, patrick davis ee.doe.gov, Ian Potter  nrc-cnrc.gc.ca, David Lisk nrc-cnrc.gc.ca, Gilles.Leclerc asc-csa.gc.ca, james e. hansen NASA.gov


Thane
 
You should not construe from my e-mail that Argonne or DOE would be providing support for your concept.   My words were: “we would only be able to observe your demonstration, but would not likely be in a position to officially comment on it.” 
 
We would be interested in seeing ahead of time a diagram or schematic of your demonstration and may have some suggestions for modifications (e.g., placement of clamp meters).  We are open minded, but just so you know, we are law-abiding citizens at Argonne; we obey the laws of thermodynamics.
 
Regards,
 
   Larry

Thane C. Heins
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Potential +/- Difference Inc. R & D
"Change catalysts using our potential to make a positive difference"
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"As a mechanical engineer I'm here to explain how it works and why it works. And it does work;
over a dozen of us were witness to that last Monday (as well as a film crew--filming in 3D no less!)."
-Mike Brace, Tech Editor EV World (2012)

"This is the Holy grail for generators."
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"This is a freakin' game changer!"
-Mike Elwood, Chairman Electric Mobility Canada at Ottawa University (2009)

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"This is absolutely fascinating stuff you are doing!"
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Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: MileHigh on March 26, 2013, 01:29:17 PM
Thane:

Is there any electric bike or scooter or car that is on the market today that makes use of your system?  If not today, are there any plans to produce an electric bike or scooter or car that makes use of your system?  If yes, when will the product or products be put on the market?

Quote

And a very good schematic provided by a Dutch Electrical Engineer.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVFXSZzUNmE&list=PLkH1zLdXy1SwReqk9qpqXRzxDDOIPwDFH&index=2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVFXSZzUNmE&list=PLkH1zLdXy1SwReqk9qpqXRzxDDOIPwDFH&index=2)

I am familiar with this guy and his clips.  He is an amateur experimenter, he is not an electrical engineer.  You have to graduate from a recognized university and then work in the field and get your professional papers to call yourself an electrical engineer.

In the clip he talks about the L/R time constant and relates that to a so-called "delayed Lenz effect."  The problem is that there is no relationship at all between the L/R time constant for the energizing or discharging of an inductor trough a resistance and any timing issues in a generator.  They are completely different things.  When a magnet passes by a generator coil that produces instantaneous EMF in the generator coil - no delay at all.  That instantaneous EMF will then push current through the generator coil and the load.

MileHigh
Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: Newton II on March 26, 2013, 04:06:01 PM


A person walking on ground will be in contact with ground and a car moving on road will be in contact with road.  If ground is full of clay or loose soil the person cannot walk on it  and if road is full of sand car cannot move on it.   It means ground is providing a supporting force to preson or car in the form of  equal and opposite reaction.

In the case of a generator the situation is different.  The rotor and stator  are separated by a gap.  Rotor is supported on bearings  and stator is supported on a base frame on ground.  In this case the lenz's field need not work as a supporting force but it will only try to prevent any change in its magnetic field.  In that process it provides a opposing force to rotor which in turn conserves energy.

You cannot add forces numerically beacuse force is a vector and resultant force only counts.   So even if  generator accelerates under load,  the final or resultant force hence resultant energy only counts. 

Hence accelerating generator can be considered as a OU device only if it is made self running.  ( because we don't know exactly what action and reactions are happenning inside the device).

If anybody has self running AUL device, then there is no need for this discussion at all.  We can simply see the machine / video and try to patch up things.
Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: Gestalt on August 12, 2013, 06:55:39 PM
Hey guys. I recently managed to replicate the "regenerative acceleration" effect quite nicely.

However when I compare my power in, to a regular coil the seeming benefit of the regen effect becomes inconsequential.

I believe there is a serious flaw in Thane's methodology in how he comes to his conclusion. This goes also for anyone else who has replicated the effect.
What you use as your base line Pin is extremely important in determining if there is a net benefit or not. An open high impedance bifilar coil artificially inflates the original Pin and causes a starting RPM to be excessively low. This is not good from a net power perspective. Especially when compared to a similar "non-regen" coil all the benefits disappear.

Please see my video for experimental results:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfRxsC9yumQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfRxsC9yumQ)

My theory as to what is occurring is as follows. The high voltage  (~1.2kV) on the open bifilar config causes an electro-static current to flow between the windings causing a substantial open circuit back-EMF. Then when shorting the coil and the high voltage goes to zero and the artificially induced electrostatic back-emf goes away. As load is added regular back-EMF from actual current in the windings occurs demonstrated by the increasing Pin.

This is validated by the voltage/electro-static potential on the open bifilar being high enough to cause substantial amounts of ozone to be produced through an air ionization process.
Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: Ein~+ein on August 23, 2013, 11:49:13 PM
Hey guys. I recently managed to replicate the "regenerative acceleration" effect quite nicely.  However when I compare my power in, to a regular coil the seeming benefit of the regen effect becomes inconsequential.

The only Proof of Concept that matters is a road test.  The fact Heins promotes RegenX as an EV solution but still hasn't developed a scooter prototype after all these years should tell you something.
Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: Farmhand on September 08, 2013, 07:37:49 AM
Hey guys. I recently managed to replicate the "regenerative acceleration" effect quite nicely.

However when I compare my power in, to a regular coil the seeming benefit of the regen effect becomes inconsequential.

I believe there is a serious flaw in Thane's methodology in how he comes to his conclusion. This goes also for anyone else who has replicated the effect.
What you use as your base line Pin is extremely important in determining if there is a net benefit or not. An open high impedance bifilar coil artificially inflates the original Pin and causes a starting RPM to be excessively low. This is not good from a net power perspective. Especially when compared to a similar "non-regen" coil all the benefits disappear.

Please see my video for experimental results:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfRxsC9yumQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfRxsC9yumQ)

My theory as to what is occurring is as follows. The high voltage  (~1.2kV) on the open bifilar config causes an electro-static current to flow between the windings causing a substantial open circuit back-EMF. Then when shorting the coil and the high voltage goes to zero and the artificially induced electrostatic back-emf goes away. As load is added regular back-EMF from actual current in the windings occurs demonstrated by the increasing Pin.

This is validated by the voltage/electro-static potential on the open bifilar being high enough to cause substantial amounts of ozone to be produced through an air ionization process.

It's been said many times by many people there is nothing free in acceleration under load.

And Counter EMF is not a resistance it does not consume power or give off heat, it is a voltage that offsets the applied voltage to make the effective voltage less and therefore cause less current. If anything Counter EMF helps to conserve power, without it the only thing to restrict current is the DC resistance. Counter EMF is a blessing, it's a given, it cannot be negated with the same results as with.

Thanes setup is about increasing the counter EMF so much that when a load is added hardly any current can flow to charge the coils, therefore the voltage waveform at the gen coils goes flat. very little voltage means very little current and very little counter EMF. He has lots of Counter EMF and load on the prime mover at lower speeds and with no load at higher speeds because the voltage produced is high and causes current to flow to charge the coils, then when he adds the load the voltage waveform goes to almost flat and the counter EMF is reduced which causes less load on the prime mover and the RPM increase as a result of that.

Thane is either a scammer or he is a paid distractor or deluded  in order of likelyhood according to me., there are no other possibilities I can think of. I can say what I want without fear of prosecution because he lies.

I understand why it happens and I can make different kinds of setups to show acceleration under load to prove my point and with scoped wave forms shown, which Thane will never do because it would give his game away.

AUL Example one. Universal motor Prime mover and driven generator. This setup could go into continuing acceleration after the load was removed past a certain RPM.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFWin-crxQY

AUL Example two. My design pulse motor with added low resistance low inductance generator coil. Acceleration under short circuit is significant but useless.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpKZw15A41Y

Now see the scope trace produced by this powerful small generator which is a small outrunner model plane engine, even with a one ohm load the waveform is unchanged when loaded because it produces an output, if I shorted one of the three windings in the little motor it would almost stop turning and throw the belt because it has low impedance and can generate significant power under a near short circuit. Thanes setups will never output significant power due to the impedance of the generator coils, it cannot happen, it the generator coils could output reasonable power the generator would load up the prime mover. The Lenz drag is the result of the actual transfer of energy.

Proper generator behavior. Yellow is the generator wave form blue is the pulse motor mosfet switch drain-circuit ground.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLiNk6yBWyY

Thanes setups are very inefficient and that shows by the high input with no load on the generator, he makes the no load input very high with lots of "parasitic load" on the prime mover then when the generator is shorted or loaded the parasitic load is reduced and the rpm increase. I think he is intentionally scamming people for investment and will never produce anything of "Worth", only parlor tricks from him.

I challenge him to do an acceleration under load run and show us the dang waveform across the load. That will show the story and his game would be up so don't expect it. In my opinion he ought to be investigated for fraud. And probably will be if he rorts an investor for too much money, my bet is no one is silly enough to invest anyway.

Cheers




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Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: tim123 on September 08, 2013, 02:38:15 PM
FYI, We've been exploring another Acceleration Under Load phenomenon here:
http://www.overunity.com/13777/tinmans-rotary-transformer/

I'm pretty sure it's not the same mechanism at work. In the RT the Lenz force is genuinely acting in the right direction - but you have to pay for it in the rotor instead...

Very impressed with Gestalt's debunking vid. Really clear. Excellent.

I'm glad Mr Heins has stopped shouting...

:)
Tim
Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: Farmhand on September 09, 2013, 04:03:44 AM
No doubt it is an interesting effect and difficult to pin down all the contributing factors, I am probably partially wrong at least, but the proof is in the pudding, i can do it with different setups on purpose and design to do it without high impedance gen coils.

Thanes effect is just a frequency - inductance - capacitance effect = near resonant or harmonic events, current restriction due to reactance and other things ect.

I'm not trained in anything to do with motors my understanding is mainly practical but I learn what I need to to understand how I can make it happen my own way but with the same basic principal.

I think it's ok if we disagree as long as we don't divide and get nasty, Gestalt did very good. I'll watch again the clips from you guys. I'm sure if we all share our theories and experimental evidence it can only lead to enlightenment and good things.  :)

Kudos to all who keep an open mind but stay objective and logical. Great to see.

Cheers

P.S. I just watched Gestalts video again and I must have fell to sleep last time I watched it due to being fatigued, it was late. His demonstration is very very good and his results are impossible to dismiss, they confirm my observations too in part at least. I've said all along Thane artificially creates a significant parasitic load then shorting the load removes that parasitic load causing the speed up. But because of the impedance of the coils and the extra "frequency induced impedance" not much power can be taken.

Excellent work Gestalt, very impressive, I am in envy of your equipment and skill at using it all.  ;)


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Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: Farmhand on September 09, 2013, 05:35:06 AM
Gestalt, I could think of some interesting experiments to do if I had that setup for sure.

Have you tried tuning a low resistance gen coil to resonance using a capacitor and use that for  third comparison test ? That works in much the same way.
A coil of say a few hundred or more turns and fairly low resistance (you may even have one on hand) then using the inductance measured select a capacitor
to give resonance at the 860 Hz or so of the generator excitement.


eg. Say you have a 15 mH coil you could place a 2.2 uF cap across the coil to tune it to resonance at 876 Hz. Then do the test with that. Doing similar but using lower harmonic frequencies of excitement shows me a incredible acceleration under short and as I said it comes on at a lower harmonic for me then it can lock into the accelerated speed and the load can be removed with still increasing acceleration. I would like to try tuning a coil to full resonance but I have not used coils with enough inductance so that I don't need over 10 uF to make it happen. I'm curious as to what will happen when tuned to full resonance. Would the acceleration take it past resonant frequency or would it stop at just under the resonant frequency, if you know what I'm getting at.

Thanks for the video and taking he time to make such a good presentation. Salute !

Oh and can you get a scope shot of the bifilar coil shorted please. That would be interesting, same with the coil and cap across it, not sure it would be possible to scope with the coil open but if it is that would be good to see the scope as the bifilar is shorted.

I've seen rpm increases up to and over 20% in my setups when shorting the gen coils. Actual rpm increases of 500 rpm from 2500 to over 3000 rpm when the unloaded acceleration began in the first video link I posted in my 2nd previous post.
Long clips - Part one - setup.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2NfmyyhbZs

Long clip - Part two - Effects/experiment.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TV_dm8COKBY

I'm not a good presenter and work messy, my apologies, I need to improve my tidiness.

I had trouble with my old scope, I think i damaged it, got a new one now.

And here is a debunking video of the "Transformer Effects" Thane said were similar or the same as the motor generator effects.
This video is the ball breaker in my opinion, things become clearer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zxde9qga79c

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Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: Jack Noskills on September 10, 2013, 02:18:07 PM

Thane, do you have any update about commercial BiTTs being done ? What kind of products can we expect powerwise and when ?


Have you done experiments using higher frequency ? It would make those trafos smaller. High frequency BiTT could be usefull in electric cars as they need DC input. Also weight would be reduced. One EV test car had 550 kg worth of batteries so rest of car must be made using lighter materials like carbon fiber. This particular EV weighted about 200 kg or so without batteries. Imagine getting rid of for example 400 kg of battery weight using regen and BiTT, car would have acceleration of a F1 car !


I replicated BiTT maybe two years ago (low power, maybe 70 watts out and 30 watts in, no air gap) but I would still rather buy a working one than building my own.
Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: Jack Noskills on September 10, 2013, 02:41:32 PM

Gestalt, you have a nice setup there. But shouldn't the coil be further away from core end ? I recall this has effect on how it behaves, causes 'delay of action'.


What happens if you turn the coils sideways ? Then the pole that is formed in the core would point away from the magnets, no sticky spots.


I want to suggest a simple experiment. Replace coils with same kind of magnets that you have in the rotor. Face them so that they always repel, so when turned it sticks and it is hard to move the rotor.


in place of coil      rotor    in place of coil   
magnet N-S          S-N      N-S magnet


Now move it faster and faster, you will notice that at certain speed it does not stick anymore but starts to flow as if there is no magnets at all. What does this mean, is this anything useful ?
Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: Ein~+ein on September 10, 2013, 04:12:03 PM
I replicated BiTT maybe two years ago (low power, maybe 70 watts out and 30 watts in, no air gap) but I would still rather buy a working one than building my own.

Bad News:  They're not for sale.

Good News: You're eligible for the still-unclaimed OU prize money (both on this site and elsewhere) enabling you to quit your day job, start a manufacturing business, hire and train staff to make as many as you want.  You're actually smarter than Heins in the fact he's still stuck in the testing and proof of concept stage, even after all these years, with absolutely nothing on the market.
Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: Jack Noskills on September 11, 2013, 08:15:35 AM

All you need is C core and  E-I core of similar size and then combine those using three coils as Thane has shown us. Coils should be high inductance to reduce idle current. If ferrite is used then you can use high frequency, but this I haven't tested. I have one E-I core but I think it is partially cut from the middle so it does not work. Core is glued so cannot see it but I trashed one that was similar and there was a cut preventing its use as a closed loop core which is essential in BiTT, damnation. I have played only using iron cores, someday would like to do tests using permeability difference between cores and high frequency.


Problem is that I like my day job and to change that into winding copper wire in circles does not sound fun at all, or to start a factory, hire people and so on. Boring management stuff.


I think Thane has things well going on behind the scenes, this is why I asked. To get a working OU device is no big deal, but to get it into market needs a quantum leap because opposition forces are so strong. Obama's 200 X-illion $ dollars to look for new energy sources is just a show off. They will pay for those people to look for things, not to actually find them. So it will be up to us free time hobbyists to crack this so that anyone can build a working device. This is why I like BiTT because it is so damn easy to build. I trashed few small trafos and one bigger one and then combined those. Used coils I got from trashed trafos so no coil winding, from zero to working device under 15 minutes lol.
Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: Jack Noskills on September 11, 2013, 08:19:26 AM

Seems I cannot edit my posts.

About the magnet test, magnets on the stator were bigger than the magnets on the rotor, in case this make a difference.
Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: tinman on September 11, 2013, 09:11:10 AM
All you need is C core and  E-I core of similar size and then combine those using three coils as Thane has shown us. Coils should be high inductance to reduce idle current. If ferrite is used then you can use high frequency, but this I haven't tested. I have one E-I core but I think it is partially cut from the middle so it does not work. Core is glued so cannot see it but I trashed one that was similar and there was a cut preventing its use as a closed loop core which is essential in BiTT, damnation. I have played only using iron cores, someday would like to do tests using permeability difference between cores and high frequency.


Problem is that I like my day job and to change that into winding copper wire in circles does not sound fun at all, or to start a factory, hire people and so on. Boring management stuff.


I think Thane has things well going on behind the scenes, this is why I asked. To get a working OU device is no big deal, but to get it into market needs a quantum leap because opposition forces are so strong. Obama's 200 X-illion $ dollars to look for new energy sources is just a show off. They will pay for those people to look for things, not to actually find them. So it will be up to us free time hobbyists to crack this so that anyone can build a working device. This is why I like BiTT because it is so damn easy to build. I trashed few small trafos and one bigger one and then combined those. Used coils I got from trashed trafos so no coil winding, from zero to working device under 15 minutes lol.
Do you have a link to a video of a replication of the OU thane BiTT? or dose Thane have the only one?
I  have seen many attempts,but not one OU device.
Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: Jack Noskills on September 11, 2013, 11:02:03 AM

No video available, but if you have some trafos lying around you can try to build it. I used primaries from christmas light trafos (rated 20 watts or so), lots of fine wire. My opinion is that replications have failed because coils were not strong enough. When power is turned on and there is no load, then there shouldn't be any current flowing in the primary. You cannot expect to see any OU effect when using grid frequency and just a few hundred turns like people seem to do. It must be high impedance coil.


I had actually four similar coils in the same core so I could compare BiTT against normal trafo mode. I put two coils in the middle of E-I and other two disconnected. Result was as expected, normal trafo operation, out power less than input. Next I used just one coil from the middle and two outer coils, BiTT mode. Result was as common sense would expect, OU because there is alternate path and back-EMF is used for amplifying effect. Amount was directly related to the size of the alternate path (C core). Output coils can be connected in parallel, series (polarities must be correct) or the other one just shorted. Shorted secondary gave slightly better result.


But enough about BiTT, it works, this thread was about regenerative acceleration. See the original BiTT thread for more info, page 17 onwards.
Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: Gestalt on September 11, 2013, 07:51:11 PM
Gestalt, I could think of some interesting experiments to do if I had that setup for sure.

Have you tried tuning a low resistance gen coil to resonance using a capacitor and use that for  third comparison test ? That works in much the same way.
A coil of say a few hundred or more turns and fairly low resistance (you may even have one on hand) then using the inductance measured select a capacitor
to give resonance at the 860 Hz or so of the generator excitement.


eg. Say you have a 15 mH coil you could place a 2.2 uF cap across the coil to tune it to resonance at 876 Hz. Then do the test with that. Doing similar but using lower harmonic frequencies of excitement shows me a incredible acceleration under short and as I said it comes on at a lower harmonic for me then it can lock into the accelerated speed and the load can be removed with still increasing acceleration. I would like to try tuning a coil to full resonance but I have not used coils with enough inductance so that I don't need over 10 uF to make it happen. I'm curious as to what will happen when tuned to full resonance. Would the acceleration take it past resonant frequency or would it stop at just under the resonant frequency, if you know what I'm getting at.

Thanks for the video and taking he time to make such a good presentation. Salute !

Oh and can you get a scope shot of the bifilar coil shorted please. That would be interesting, same with the coil and cap across it, not sure it would be possible to scope with the coil open but if it is that would be good to see the scope as the bifilar is shorted.


Yes, I have done a tuned full resonance with a cap and the results are terrible. Pin goes through the roof and the machine makes a terrible noise, and rpm plummets. It basically acts like a massive continuous load.

And you can't scope a short. At least not voltage. Current yes but then you don't have a reference so it becomes a meaningless measurment.

Gestalt, you have a nice setup there. But shouldn't the coil be further away from core end ? I recall this has effect on how it behaves, causes 'delay of action'.What happens if you turn the coils sideways ? Then the pole that is formed in the core would point away from the magnets, no sticky spots.I want to suggest a simple experiment. Replace coils with same kind of magnets that you have in the rotor. Face them so that they always repel, so when turned it sticks and it is hard to move the rotor. in place of coil      rotor    in place of coil    magnet N-S          S-N      N-S magnetNow move it faster and faster, you will notice that at certain speed it does not stick anymore but starts to flow as if there is no magnets at all. What does this mean, is this anything useful ?

I have ran tests with the core/coil further away from the disc. In my experiments it has no beneficial effect, it merely decreases Pout and Pin in step.
I have not tried the coil sideways.

At high speeds momentum compensates for sticking or "cogging" giving the appearance of a beneficial effect due to smooth rotation. The counter-torque is still there however and you have to pay for it on Pin, as can be seen by trying different materials (metglas vs ferrite vs iron vs air) and measuring Pin at a high speed. Iron coggs the most, then metglas then ferrite the least and obviously air does not.
Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: Farmhand on September 11, 2013, 07:58:15 PM

Yes, I have done a tuned full resonance with a cap and the results are terrible. Pin goes through the roof and the machine makes a terrible noise, and rpm plummets. It basically acts like a massive continuous load.

Yes exactly, but when heavily loaded or shorted does it speed up ? The full resonance would be the absolute extreme of the effect. Maximum drag with no real load.  :)

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And you can't scope a short. At least not voltage. Current yes but then you don't have a reference so it becomes a meaningless measurment.

I only meant to show the scope shot so when you apply the load or short so the waveform can be seen to change, distort or flatten. Anything can be scoped I wasn't talking of any measurement just a visual of the waveform.

Cheers


Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: Ein~+ein on September 11, 2013, 10:36:22 PM
I think Thane has things well going on behind the scenes, this is why I asked. To get a working OU device is no big deal...

Then how come there's still unclaimed prize money? 

Don't give me the circular conspiracy reasoning!  What Thane has going on behind the scenes is simply a failure to produce OU.  He'd be a household name otherwise.  Look at all those who've attempted and failed to reproduce what he claims he has and he's only one claimant in a world of FE scams.  Like I said, globally, it's a multi-million dollar a year business built on ignorance, deception and greed.
Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: Newton II on October 07, 2013, 05:57:48 AM
http://www.pureenergyblog.com/2013/06/09/1285/8502328_thane-heins-allows-open-license-of-his-regenerative-acceleration-regenx-technology/

http://www.slideshare.net/ThaneCHeins/pdi-regenerative-acceleration-generator-regenx-2013-patent-disclosure


I don't know whether the above links  are already posted some where in this forum.


Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: Ein~+ein on October 07, 2013, 07:41:22 PM
http://www.pureenergyblog.com/2013/06/09/1285/8502328_thane-heins-allows-open-license-of-his-regenerative-acceleration-regenx-technology/

http://www.slideshare.net/ThaneCHeins/pdi-regenerative-acceleration-generator-regenx-2013-patent-disclosure


I don't know whether the above links  are already posted some where in this forum.

You need to know how to read this.  They're just meant as a tease to lure more investment money his way.  If you've listened to Thane Heins' claims, you'd realize that if true, PDI stock would be the talk of Wall St as the implications of such tech would revolutionize far more than the auto sector as he himself acknowledges.   The fact no one listens anymore should tell you something about the validity of his claims.
Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: Farmhand on February 09, 2014, 07:36:50 PM
I think Thanes BiTT (bi-Toroid) works on a similar principal to the acceleration under load effect.

There would be a large "no load input" and the application of the "Tiny" load makes the system more efficient.

He never measures the entire power used from the wall. With the BiTT, there seems to be another transformer to feed the BiTT, the input power should be measured into that transformer.

Also I have never seen anything more than a couple of Watts at most from one of the BiTT setups. Lets see a replication by another party or another demonstration by Thane himself using a BiTT to power a 100 Watt incandescent globe. If one can't do that and show some OU it won't change squat.

The tiny output power is most likely dwarfed by the total input power from the wall to the setup on the bench, including the transformer feeding the BiTT.

Here's a challenge, no one else promote Thanes stuff until they can replicate and show the OU he claims, or any OU from the BiTT or any other device he has.

If he hasn't lost his investors yet then they deserve to lose their money. School of hard knocks.

Cheers
Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: JulienVictor on February 20, 2014, 09:57:43 PM
Dear

I would like to build a larger BITT, means one that support 100 VA. Do you have an idea if I could use steelwire for lower frequencies (50Hz)?
I guess th efficiency would be poor, but I would compare it to a conventenial design made with same wire.

Regards
Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: Real Boots on April 11, 2014, 02:34:26 PM
Here is the latest bitt I constructed, used ferrite to elim eddy losses and drove it with only 50vac to keep below saturation and keep input current wave pure sine.  Used borrowed 2ch scope with phase and power calculated to take data and found only lossy transfo action.  Was very disappointed as I had seen what appeared to be current drop on primary when load applied to sec when using cheap meter across shunt on input of previous devices that turned out to be false when measured with scope.  Distortion a in sign wave fool these dvms people.  Tried to make sec paths much larger than primary path for best results, not convinced on this one people. 
-boots
Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: dieter on April 12, 2014, 09:19:14 AM
I've just seen this. That's really disapointing. Do you have a shot of the waveform?




You said you made shure to stay under saturation, but didn't Heins say the primary core needs to be close to saturation? (to force the back mmf to the outer core).
A further test may be to use a cap in series with the primary, as I already stated elsewhere, i achieved  some interesting results that way. Just find the right capacitance that will let everything trough, but bring the current +90° out of phase.


Regards

Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: Real Boots on April 12, 2014, 06:22:40 PM
Dieter;
At 50vac 60 hz both the current and voltage into the primary were nice clean sign waves.  From what I have read on this device (darn near everything I could find), this test should have shown the Heins effect.  I also tried it with 120vac 60hz but was energy destroyer due to saturation that could be seen in the current waveform of the primary as distortions.  These distortions are what was tricking my digital meter in previous tests.  I did take notes and readings on all the tests but it is in notebook hand written at the moment.  All tests showed under unity.  The rod for core under primary core is .5" ferrite and the primary coil is a wire spool full of 30awg wire.  To me this calls into doubt thane's claims as I should have seen some sign of the effect.  I even tried it at different frequencies on freq generator and could not find any sweet spots showing Heins effect.  Primary current was between 9 to 12 ma at 49vac input from what I recall, 12 being loaded, 9 unloaded.  Phase angle shift towards resistive powerfactor when load applied was seen as well.  I didn't grab any pics of scope screen however as it was sinus at 50vac.  Very disappointed with this one after so many iterations and waits on large ferrite toroids from china.  I even am still waiting on some parts to arrive still but seems kinda pointless now. 
This was not a waste of time however, shows there is something missing from the models for "flux" in my openeion or else some heins effect would have shown.  On to my gabriel/tesla shield transfo experiment it is!
Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: dieter on April 12, 2014, 07:05:50 PM
Boots,


so the outer core was a wire spool? I have to say this chanches things significantly! I also made a BiTT with iron wire toroids, the outer one massive, the inner one winded in a 8-winding mode. This device had the worst efficiency I could imagine. Using Ferrite in the primary and iron in the secondary is not promising, the oppisite would make more sense. The permeability of a iron wire spool and a ferrite core is significantly diffrent, maybe more than 10x, so there may be hope .   :D


Also, unlike many OU concepts, this one did not have NO EFFECT at all, but really altered the behaviour of inductive coupling fundamentally. Not shure if it's OU, but it is something.


.I have also seen vids of people, showing scopes , power factor clearly zero, then hit the load connection switch and the scope remained in that phase angle, only the tip of the voltage came down by maybe 10%. Didn't bookmark, but I've seen it on Youtube..


Well if the gabriel device is going to work (what if not BiTT tech is the principle in your view?), then you don't have to worry anyway, otherwise use the ferrite toroids and give it one more chance.


Probably think about metglas, two pounds ribbon is 33$ on ebay.


If there is free energy, then the lobbies will suppress it, by ruining the inventors. Especially when they use reactive power, which is for free, but needs a lot of investment to be provided by the power plant and grid.




Regards

Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: Real Boots on April 12, 2014, 10:27:51 PM
Dieter;
By wire spool I mean a bobbin made of plastic that I wound 30awg copper wire onto with a drill.  Trying to take everything I could from those Thane YouTube vids you mention, very high L/R for the primary.  Think the primary resistance was around 147 ohms from what i recall. 
Just got my tesla shield transfo ready for testing, will post some more pics on that gabriel thread shortly. 
-boots
Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: Real Boots on April 20, 2014, 06:39:41 PM
I did a modification on the bitt I pictured above in thread and still got similar results, the coil actually fit in the middle so I was able to eliminate some of the ferrite pieces.  Bitt is shown with primary coil removed from around ferrite rod.  This one was now a little more efficient but still normal transfo characteristics when measured with 2 ch scope.
I made another one using same primary coil and a ferrite core from tv along with a silicone steel core, this one unfortunately also acts like normal transfo as well at 60hz, no sign of what Thane was describing.

Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: dieter on April 21, 2014, 03:37:25 AM
Would you replicate a little test that I have made:
Use the two Secondaries in series as the primary, also add a 100 uF cap in series here, test the output taken from the old primary that is now the new secondary.


How's the phase angle, with and without load? Note, cap needs high enough voltage rating, otherwise expect cap heat problems.


Regards

Title: Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
Post by: dieter on April 21, 2014, 03:44:49 AM
BTW. the last image: you may not use the red coil, otherwise this is no Heins bitoroid. Also, the green-white wire seems to have thick insulation, I always had very poor results in efficiency and coupling when I used anything other than enameled magnet wire.