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Author Topic: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles  (Read 71507 times)

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Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
« Reply #60 on: March 24, 2013, 07:51:01 PM »
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Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
« Reply #61 on: March 25, 2013, 04:07:09 PM »

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Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
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Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
« Reply #63 on: March 26, 2013, 12:37:39 PM »
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: PDi UNOFFICIAL ReGenX Demo to U.S. - Argonne National Laboratory (ANL) & DOE
From: <thaneh@potentialdifference.ca>
Date: Mon, March 25, 2013 2:04 pm
To: Johnson Larry   anl.gov
Cc: christy cooper doe.gov, yury kalish doe.gov , David Danielson hq.doe.gov, patrick davis ee.doe.gov , Ian Potter VP NRC nrc-cnrc.gc.ca, David Lisk nrc-cnrc.gc.ca, Gilles.Leclerc asc-csa.gc.ca>, james e hansen NASA.gov>, Michael Steinitz stfx.ca


Dear Larry,
 
Thank you and I completely understand your position after all we spent 2.5 "unofficial" years in the Power Lab at the University of Ottawa.
 
I am glad to hear that you obey the Laws of Physics as do I but the Theory of Thermodynamics is not a Law, it at best an incomplete theory or scientific glimpse and as a result has never been applicable where electric generators and transformers are concerned.
 
Below I explain (twice) why the Theory of Thermodynamics and the Theory of Conservation of Energy have never ever applied in electric generators or electric transformers. Many PhDs that we have introduced this new perspective to over the years already agree to its validity albeit "unofficially." :-)
 
REASON 1
Why the Theory of Conservation of Energy, the Theory of Thermodynamics, Lenz's Law and Newton's Third Law
have NEVER applied in Electric Generators or Transformers


Newton's Third Law states that:  

"For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton's_laws_of_motion
 
Lenz's Law is simply an extension of Newton's Third Law and the Law of Conservation of Energy as it applies to generators and is well know colloquially in electric vehicles as "regenerative braking."
 
Lenz's Law states that:  

"A voltage (emf) that is induced by a changing magnetic field always gives rise to a current whose induced magnetic field always has a magnetic polarity that is identical to the original changing magnetic field polarity and as such always opposes the original changing magnetic field" 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenz's_law
 
Equal magnetic fields but opposite direction = Newton's Third Law.
 
When these laws are manifested in an electric vehicle's generator or any electric generator for that matter the result is a resistance effect produced by the generator and a deceleration effect or magnetic friction (i.e. electric vehicle regenerative braking) which requires an increase in input torque and input power to overcome.
 
Obviously the magnitude of the deceleration effect is directly proportional to the magnitude of current flow*** as dictated by Len's Law. (***very important for Reason 2 below...)
 
From a conceptual standpoint, Newton's Third Law is seen when a person walks: they push against the floor, and the floor pushes against the person. Similarly, the tires of a car push against the road while the road pushes back on the tires - the tires and road simultaneously push against each other.
 
Everything up to this point makes absolute sense until we realize that:
 
the floor or the road are NOT creating a FORCE INTERNALLY which pushes on the person or the car forward.
 
Whereas, an electric generator while operating according to all of the theories above, absolutely MUST self-produce an internal force or torque or Counter-Electromotive-Force or Torque to be exact. (motive is the key word here BTW...)
 
Torque is defined by:  

"an influence which tends to change (accelerate or decelerate) the rotational motion of an object"   or  Torque = Force applied x lever arm http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/torq.html
 
And the Work Energy Principle states that:

"The change in the kinetic energy (acceleration or deceleration) of an object is equal to the net work done on the object."
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/work.html#wepr 
 
The fact of the matter for an electric generator is simply this:

In order to have a torque (in any direction - counter-electromotive or complementary-electromotive, whatever) that will,
change the rotational motion of an object (in any direction, accelerating or decelerating),

a force MUST FIRST be applied,
and you cannot have a force without doing work,
and you cannot do work without energy.

So when an electric generator obeys Lenz's Law and Newton's Third Law et al, it is actually:

Creating a counter-electromotive-TORQUE which does WORK by CHANGING THE ROTATIONAL MOTION of the system - which ALL requires ENERGY to do so. (you can't create a torque and do any kind of work without energy)

Therefore:
 
IF the ABSOLUTE VALUE of ALL the NON-DIRECTIONAL ENERGIES created in any electric generator were correctly accounted for i.e. the ELECTRICAL ENERGY + the MECHANICAL ENERGY which does the work required to change the rotational motion (and decelerate) the system, then we would have to conclude that ALL of the "laws" above are FALSE and have never applied in electric generators or transformers - and science has been duped and it is high time it un-duped itself. 
(ideally before we destroy ourselves). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_value
 
REASON 2
Lenz's Law ONLY applies IF the induced current that gives rise to the opposing magnetic field energy and counter-electromotive-torque are operating IN THE SAME TIME DOMAIN.
Any time delay NEGATES Lenz's Law, Newton's Third Law and the Theory of Conservation of Energy and the ReGenX generator delays current flow in the coil by 180 degrees - so it operates in a boundary region where these Laws do not apply.
 
Below the ReGenX coil's Critical Minimum Frequency (CMF) the Regenerative Acceleration (ReGenX) Generator operates in accordance with Lenz's Law and decelerates when a load is applied.
 
When operated above the CMF the ReGenX generator coil ceases to store energy in the electromagnetic field as all inductors do and begins to store energy in the electrostatic field -inside the coil as a capacitor. The rising frequency of the changing magnetic field increases the coil's impedance and restricts the current flow until it ceases at the CMF.
 
As a result the ReGenX coil's internally stored voltage (emf) and current flow is delayed until the "changing magnetic field" is no longer changing.
 
The changing magnetic field is no longer changing when the magnetic field is neither approaching nor receding the coil's core at Top Dead Centre (TDC).
 
At this delayed point in time (TDC) the entire voltage that is stored inside the coil, capacitively between the wires (or plates with the air as the dielectric) can now be dissipated and current can flow throuth coil and the load because the Frequency Component (of the equation Zt = 2 pi F L + Rdc) is zero when the magnetic field is neither approaching nor receding and the impedance of the coil drops to the low DC resistance of the coil.
 
This simple video below shows this very effectively.
 
"Time delays violate Newton's Third Law [and the Law of Conservation of Energy] because even an infinitesimal time without the second force violates the idea of force-pairs and hence of Newton's Third Law."
Professor Nathaniel Lasry, Physics John Abbot College 
 
Operation of the ReGenX Generator BELOW and Above the CRITICAL MINIMUM FREQUENCY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJ236Gd-CVQ&list=PLkH1zLdXy1Sz9Osny42gbLvxLpdZsyDxw&index=1
 
The truth is isolated forces can and do exist in the operation of the ReGenX Generator Innovation above the CMF.
 
Here is a Peer Reviewed Official ReGenX Report as prepared by Kinectrics (an Ontario Hydro Research lab) which shows some early schematics. Unfortunately for us this report required a substantial official price tag. http://www.slideshare.net/ThaneCHeins/kinectrics-draft-report-with-over-100-errors-k-011 
 
And a very good schematic provided by a Dutch Electrical Engineer.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVFXSZzUNmE&list=PLkH1zLdXy1SwReqk9qpqXRzxDDOIPwDFH&index=2
 
Please feel free to let me know anytime you might be interested in observing the innovation in person unofficially?
 
Kind regards
Thane
 
 
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: PDi ReGenX Demo to U.S. - Argonne National Laboratory (ANL) & DOE
From: "Johnson, Larry R."
Date: Mon, March 25, 2013 10:25 am
To: "thaneh@potentialdifference.ca" <thaneh@potentialdifference.ca>
Cc: christy cooper doe.gov yury kalish hq.doe.gov , David Danielson hq.doe.gov, patrick davis ee.doe.gov, Ian Potter  nrc-cnrc.gc.ca, David Lisk nrc-cnrc.gc.ca, Gilles.Leclerc asc-csa.gc.ca, james e. hansen NASA.gov


Thane
 
You should not construe from my e-mail that Argonne or DOE would be providing support for your concept.   My words were: “we would only be able to observe your demonstration, but would not likely be in a position to officially comment on it.” 
 
We would be interested in seeing ahead of time a diagram or schematic of your demonstration and may have some suggestions for modifications (e.g., placement of clamp meters).  We are open minded, but just so you know, we are law-abiding citizens at Argonne; we obey the laws of thermodynamics.
 
Regards,
 
   Larry

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Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
« Reply #64 on: March 26, 2013, 01:29:17 PM »
Thane:

Is there any electric bike or scooter or car that is on the market today that makes use of your system?  If not today, are there any plans to produce an electric bike or scooter or car that makes use of your system?  If yes, when will the product or products be put on the market?

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And a very good schematic provided by a Dutch Electrical Engineer.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVFXSZzUNmE&list=PLkH1zLdXy1SwReqk9qpqXRzxDDOIPwDFH&index=2

I am familiar with this guy and his clips.  He is an amateur experimenter, he is not an electrical engineer.  You have to graduate from a recognized university and then work in the field and get your professional papers to call yourself an electrical engineer.

In the clip he talks about the L/R time constant and relates that to a so-called "delayed Lenz effect."  The problem is that there is no relationship at all between the L/R time constant for the energizing or discharging of an inductor trough a resistance and any timing issues in a generator.  They are completely different things.  When a magnet passes by a generator coil that produces instantaneous EMF in the generator coil - no delay at all.  That instantaneous EMF will then push current through the generator coil and the load.

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Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
« Reply #65 on: March 26, 2013, 04:06:01 PM »


A person walking on ground will be in contact with ground and a car moving on road will be in contact with road.  If ground is full of clay or loose soil the person cannot walk on it  and if road is full of sand car cannot move on it.   It means ground is providing a supporting force to preson or car in the form of  equal and opposite reaction.

In the case of a generator the situation is different.  The rotor and stator  are separated by a gap.  Rotor is supported on bearings  and stator is supported on a base frame on ground.  In this case the lenz's field need not work as a supporting force but it will only try to prevent any change in its magnetic field.  In that process it provides a opposing force to rotor which in turn conserves energy.

You cannot add forces numerically beacuse force is a vector and resultant force only counts.   So even if  generator accelerates under load,  the final or resultant force hence resultant energy only counts. 

Hence accelerating generator can be considered as a OU device only if it is made self running.  ( because we don't know exactly what action and reactions are happenning inside the device).

If anybody has self running AUL device, then there is no need for this discussion at all.  We can simply see the machine / video and try to patch up things.

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Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
« Reply #66 on: August 12, 2013, 06:55:39 PM »
Hey guys. I recently managed to replicate the "regenerative acceleration" effect quite nicely.

However when I compare my power in, to a regular coil the seeming benefit of the regen effect becomes inconsequential.

I believe there is a serious flaw in Thane's methodology in how he comes to his conclusion. This goes also for anyone else who has replicated the effect.
What you use as your base line Pin is extremely important in determining if there is a net benefit or not. An open high impedance bifilar coil artificially inflates the original Pin and causes a starting RPM to be excessively low. This is not good from a net power perspective. Especially when compared to a similar "non-regen" coil all the benefits disappear.

Please see my video for experimental results:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfRxsC9yumQ

My theory as to what is occurring is as follows. The high voltage  (~1.2kV) on the open bifilar config causes an electro-static current to flow between the windings causing a substantial open circuit back-EMF. Then when shorting the coil and the high voltage goes to zero and the artificially induced electrostatic back-emf goes away. As load is added regular back-EMF from actual current in the windings occurs demonstrated by the increasing Pin.

This is validated by the voltage/electro-static potential on the open bifilar being high enough to cause substantial amounts of ozone to be produced through an air ionization process.
« Last Edit: August 13, 2013, 03:38:29 AM by Gestalt »

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Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
« Reply #67 on: August 23, 2013, 11:49:13 PM »
Hey guys. I recently managed to replicate the "regenerative acceleration" effect quite nicely.  However when I compare my power in, to a regular coil the seeming benefit of the regen effect becomes inconsequential.

The only Proof of Concept that matters is a road test.  The fact Heins promotes RegenX as an EV solution but still hasn't developed a scooter prototype after all these years should tell you something.

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Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
« Reply #68 on: September 08, 2013, 07:37:49 AM »
Hey guys. I recently managed to replicate the "regenerative acceleration" effect quite nicely.

However when I compare my power in, to a regular coil the seeming benefit of the regen effect becomes inconsequential.

I believe there is a serious flaw in Thane's methodology in how he comes to his conclusion. This goes also for anyone else who has replicated the effect.
What you use as your base line Pin is extremely important in determining if there is a net benefit or not. An open high impedance bifilar coil artificially inflates the original Pin and causes a starting RPM to be excessively low. This is not good from a net power perspective. Especially when compared to a similar "non-regen" coil all the benefits disappear.

Please see my video for experimental results:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfRxsC9yumQ

My theory as to what is occurring is as follows. The high voltage  (~1.2kV) on the open bifilar config causes an electro-static current to flow between the windings causing a substantial open circuit back-EMF. Then when shorting the coil and the high voltage goes to zero and the artificially induced electrostatic back-emf goes away. As load is added regular back-EMF from actual current in the windings occurs demonstrated by the increasing Pin.

This is validated by the voltage/electro-static potential on the open bifilar being high enough to cause substantial amounts of ozone to be produced through an air ionization process.

It's been said many times by many people there is nothing free in acceleration under load.

And Counter EMF is not a resistance it does not consume power or give off heat, it is a voltage that offsets the applied voltage to make the effective voltage less and therefore cause less current. If anything Counter EMF helps to conserve power, without it the only thing to restrict current is the DC resistance. Counter EMF is a blessing, it's a given, it cannot be negated with the same results as with.

Thanes setup is about increasing the counter EMF so much that when a load is added hardly any current can flow to charge the coils, therefore the voltage waveform at the gen coils goes flat. very little voltage means very little current and very little counter EMF. He has lots of Counter EMF and load on the prime mover at lower speeds and with no load at higher speeds because the voltage produced is high and causes current to flow to charge the coils, then when he adds the load the voltage waveform goes to almost flat and the counter EMF is reduced which causes less load on the prime mover and the RPM increase as a result of that.

Thane is either a scammer or he is a paid distractor or deluded  in order of likelyhood according to me., there are no other possibilities I can think of. I can say what I want without fear of prosecution because he lies.

I understand why it happens and I can make different kinds of setups to show acceleration under load to prove my point and with scoped wave forms shown, which Thane will never do because it would give his game away.

AUL Example one. Universal motor Prime mover and driven generator. This setup could go into continuing acceleration after the load was removed past a certain RPM.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFWin-crxQY

AUL Example two. My design pulse motor with added low resistance low inductance generator coil. Acceleration under short circuit is significant but useless.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpKZw15A41Y

Now see the scope trace produced by this powerful small generator which is a small outrunner model plane engine, even with a one ohm load the waveform is unchanged when loaded because it produces an output, if I shorted one of the three windings in the little motor it would almost stop turning and throw the belt because it has low impedance and can generate significant power under a near short circuit. Thanes setups will never output significant power due to the impedance of the generator coils, it cannot happen, it the generator coils could output reasonable power the generator would load up the prime mover. The Lenz drag is the result of the actual transfer of energy.

Proper generator behavior. Yellow is the generator wave form blue is the pulse motor mosfet switch drain-circuit ground.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLiNk6yBWyY

Thanes setups are very inefficient and that shows by the high input with no load on the generator, he makes the no load input very high with lots of "parasitic load" on the prime mover then when the generator is shorted or loaded the parasitic load is reduced and the rpm increase. I think he is intentionally scamming people for investment and will never produce anything of "Worth", only parlor tricks from him.

I challenge him to do an acceleration under load run and show us the dang waveform across the load. That will show the story and his game would be up so don't expect it. In my opinion he ought to be investigated for fraud. And probably will be if he rorts an investor for too much money, my bet is no one is silly enough to invest anyway.

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Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
« Reply #69 on: September 08, 2013, 02:38:15 PM »
FYI, We've been exploring another Acceleration Under Load phenomenon here:
http://www.overunity.com/13777/tinmans-rotary-transformer/

I'm pretty sure it's not the same mechanism at work. In the RT the Lenz force is genuinely acting in the right direction - but you have to pay for it in the rotor instead...

Very impressed with Gestalt's debunking vid. Really clear. Excellent.

I'm glad Mr Heins has stopped shouting...

:)
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Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
« Reply #70 on: September 09, 2013, 04:03:44 AM »
No doubt it is an interesting effect and difficult to pin down all the contributing factors, I am probably partially wrong at least, but the proof is in the pudding, i can do it with different setups on purpose and design to do it without high impedance gen coils.

Thanes effect is just a frequency - inductance - capacitance effect = near resonant or harmonic events, current restriction due to reactance and other things ect.

I'm not trained in anything to do with motors my understanding is mainly practical but I learn what I need to to understand how I can make it happen my own way but with the same basic principal.

I think it's ok if we disagree as long as we don't divide and get nasty, Gestalt did very good. I'll watch again the clips from you guys. I'm sure if we all share our theories and experimental evidence it can only lead to enlightenment and good things.  :)

Kudos to all who keep an open mind but stay objective and logical. Great to see.

Cheers

P.S. I just watched Gestalts video again and I must have fell to sleep last time I watched it due to being fatigued, it was late. His demonstration is very very good and his results are impossible to dismiss, they confirm my observations too in part at least. I've said all along Thane artificially creates a significant parasitic load then shorting the load removes that parasitic load causing the speed up. But because of the impedance of the coils and the extra "frequency induced impedance" not much power can be taken.

Excellent work Gestalt, very impressive, I am in envy of your equipment and skill at using it all.  ;)


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Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
« Reply #71 on: September 09, 2013, 05:35:06 AM »
Gestalt, I could think of some interesting experiments to do if I had that setup for sure.

Have you tried tuning a low resistance gen coil to resonance using a capacitor and use that for  third comparison test ? That works in much the same way.
A coil of say a few hundred or more turns and fairly low resistance (you may even have one on hand) then using the inductance measured select a capacitor
to give resonance at the 860 Hz or so of the generator excitement.


eg. Say you have a 15 mH coil you could place a 2.2 uF cap across the coil to tune it to resonance at 876 Hz. Then do the test with that. Doing similar but using lower harmonic frequencies of excitement shows me a incredible acceleration under short and as I said it comes on at a lower harmonic for me then it can lock into the accelerated speed and the load can be removed with still increasing acceleration. I would like to try tuning a coil to full resonance but I have not used coils with enough inductance so that I don't need over 10 uF to make it happen. I'm curious as to what will happen when tuned to full resonance. Would the acceleration take it past resonant frequency or would it stop at just under the resonant frequency, if you know what I'm getting at.

Thanks for the video and taking he time to make such a good presentation. Salute !

Oh and can you get a scope shot of the bifilar coil shorted please. That would be interesting, same with the coil and cap across it, not sure it would be possible to scope with the coil open but if it is that would be good to see the scope as the bifilar is shorted.

I've seen rpm increases up to and over 20% in my setups when shorting the gen coils. Actual rpm increases of 500 rpm from 2500 to over 3000 rpm when the unloaded acceleration began in the first video link I posted in my 2nd previous post.
Long clips - Part one - setup.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2NfmyyhbZs

Long clip - Part two - Effects/experiment.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TV_dm8COKBY

I'm not a good presenter and work messy, my apologies, I need to improve my tidiness.

I had trouble with my old scope, I think i damaged it, got a new one now.

And here is a debunking video of the "Transformer Effects" Thane said were similar or the same as the motor generator effects.
This video is the ball breaker in my opinion, things become clearer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zxde9qga79c

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Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
« Reply #72 on: September 10, 2013, 02:18:07 PM »

Thane, do you have any update about commercial BiTTs being done ? What kind of products can we expect powerwise and when ?


Have you done experiments using higher frequency ? It would make those trafos smaller. High frequency BiTT could be usefull in electric cars as they need DC input. Also weight would be reduced. One EV test car had 550 kg worth of batteries so rest of car must be made using lighter materials like carbon fiber. This particular EV weighted about 200 kg or so without batteries. Imagine getting rid of for example 400 kg of battery weight using regen and BiTT, car would have acceleration of a F1 car !


I replicated BiTT maybe two years ago (low power, maybe 70 watts out and 30 watts in, no air gap) but I would still rather buy a working one than building my own.

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Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
« Reply #73 on: September 10, 2013, 02:41:32 PM »

Gestalt, you have a nice setup there. But shouldn't the coil be further away from core end ? I recall this has effect on how it behaves, causes 'delay of action'.


What happens if you turn the coils sideways ? Then the pole that is formed in the core would point away from the magnets, no sticky spots.


I want to suggest a simple experiment. Replace coils with same kind of magnets that you have in the rotor. Face them so that they always repel, so when turned it sticks and it is hard to move the rotor.


in place of coil      rotor    in place of coil   
magnet N-S          S-N      N-S magnet


Now move it faster and faster, you will notice that at certain speed it does not stick anymore but starts to flow as if there is no magnets at all. What does this mean, is this anything useful ?

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Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
« Reply #74 on: September 10, 2013, 04:12:03 PM »
I replicated BiTT maybe two years ago (low power, maybe 70 watts out and 30 watts in, no air gap) but I would still rather buy a working one than building my own.

Bad News:  They're not for sale.

Good News: You're eligible for the still-unclaimed OU prize money (both on this site and elsewhere) enabling you to quit your day job, start a manufacturing business, hire and train staff to make as many as you want.  You're actually smarter than Heins in the fact he's still stuck in the testing and proof of concept stage, even after all these years, with absolutely nothing on the market.

 

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