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Author Topic: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles  (Read 70859 times)

Offline THANE HEINS

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Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
« Reply #30 on: March 23, 2013, 10:25:00 PM »
IGNORANCE IS NOT BLISS PART DEUX

AS PART THE DISPENSING OF IGNORANCE ON THIS FORUM - THERE ARE TWO ANOTHER IMPORTANT ENERGY CONCEPTS THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.

1)
EVERY SYSTEM IS 100% EFFICIENT.

ANYTHING FROM A MOTOR TO A MATCH FLAME IS 100% EFFICIENT.

THE LAW OF CONSERVATION OF ENERGY INSISTS THAT ENERGY CANNOT BE CREATED OR DESTROYED - JUST CONVERTED FROM ONE FORM TO ANOTHER.

THIS MEANS THAT IF YOU ACCOUNTED FOR ALL THE CONVERSION OF ENERGY IN ANY SYSTEM (TO HEAT, NOISE ETC.) THE OUTPUT WILL ALWAYS EQUAL THE INPUT AND THE SYSTEM WILL ALWAYS BE 100% EFFICIENT. IT HAS TO BE... ACCORDING TO THE LAW OF CONSERVATION OF ENERGY.

2)
THE LAW OF CONSERVATION OF ENERGY IS FALSE AND HAS ALWAYS BEEN FALSE IN ANY ELECTRICAL SYSTEM IF A BEMF MAGNETIC FIELD IS CREATED. BECAUSE THIS BEMF ENERGY CAN AND DOES DO WORK...

EVERY GENERATOR, EVERY TRANSFORMER, EVERY MOTOR OR PIECE OF WIRE THAT PRODUCES BEMF IS ALREADY AN OVER-UNITY DEVICE.  ;)

THE ABSOLUTE (NON-DIRECTIONAL) VALUE OF ALL THE ENERGIES CREATED ALWAYS EXCEEDS 100%.

IF WE LOOK AT A GENERATOR ON NO-LOAD FOR EXAMPLE IT IS ALWAYS 100% EFFICIENT.

ALL THE INPUT ENERGY IS BEING CONVERTED TO AN OUTPUT OF MECHANICAL ENERGY, HEAT, NOISE ETC...

WHEN THE GENERATOR IS PLACED ON-LOAD THE MECHANICAL INPUT IN THE DRIVE SHAFT IS CONVERTED TO ELECTRICAL OUTPUT AND SOMETHING ELSE! SOMETHING OFTEN OVERLOOKED AND ALWAYS MISUNDERSTOOD (OR MORE LIKELY COMPLETELY UNDERSTOOD AND DELIBERATELY TWISTED).  :-X

THIS SOMETHING ELSE IS CREATED INTERNALLY AND IS A FORM OF ENERGY - THE SELF-INDUCED BEMF MAGNETIC FIELD WHICH CREATES AN ELECTROMECHANICAL COUNTER-TORQUE AND DECELERATES THE SYSTEM.

IF WE LOOK AT WHAT IS REQUIRED TO CREATE TORQUE (IN ANY DIRECTION) WE WILL SEE THAT FORCE IS REQUIRED TO CREATE TORQUE AND DO WORK AND IF WE LOOK EVEN FURTHER WE WILL SEE THAT ENERGY IS REQUIRED FOR A FORCE TO BE PRODUCED AND DO THE WORK OR TWISTING ACTION. http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/torq.html

NOW IF WE ADD THE ABSOLUTE VALUE OF ALL THE NON-DIRECTIONAL ENERGIES IN THE SYSTEM... THE GENERATOR OUTPUT + THE COUNTER TORQUE WE WILL SEE THAT THIS ALWAYS EXCEEDS THE INPUT ENERGIES.

EXAMPLE IN ANY CONVENTIONAL GENERATOR SYSTEM ...

NO-LOAD INPUT MECHANICAL POWER = 100 WATTS

NO-LOAD EFFICIENCY,

INPUT ENERGY - RESISTANCE + POTENTIAL KINETIC ENERGY / INERTIA = 100% EFFICIENCY

ON-LOAD GENERATOR OUTPUT = 10 WATTS

ON-LOAD INPUT INCREASE REQUIRED TO MAINTAIN SYSTEM RPM AND DELIVER 10 WATTS = 10 WATTS

NEW INPUT = 110 WATTS

BEMF INDUCED COUNTER-ELECTROMOTIVE TORQUE FORCING SYSTEM DECELERATION (AND INPUT INCREASE) = 10 WATTS

NEW ON-LOAD INPUT MECHANICAL POWER = 110 WATTS

GENERATOR OUTPUT = 10 WATTS + BEMF INDUCED TORQUE ENERGY (10 WATTS)

FOR EVERY 1 WATT OF ENERGY DELIVERED TO ANY LOAD AND EQUAL 1 WATT OF COUNTER-ELECTROMOTIVE TORQUE ENERGY IS ALSO CREATED...  ???

TOTAL ON-LOAD OUTPUT = 20 WATTS

TOTAL ON-LOAD INPUT = 10 WATTS

EFFICIENCY 20/10 X 100 = 200%  8)

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Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
« Reply #31 on: March 24, 2013, 01:18:04 AM »
why do you write with all caps ? it's more difficult to read

TO MAKE IT MORE DIFFICULT TO READ...

AND TO SLOW DOWN THE READING PROCESS TO REDUCE SKIMMING AND ENHANCE ABSORPTION.

TO ENCOURAGE CONSCIENTIOUS READING AND FOCUS RATHER THAN THE BELOW...

I cdnuolt blveiee taht I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was rdanieg. The phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid. Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoatnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be in the rghit pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit a porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Amzanig, huh ? Yaeh, and I awlyas thought slpeling was ipmorantt ! Tahts so cool !



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Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
« Reply #32 on: March 24, 2013, 01:20:21 AM »
no way man, dnot wtrie lkie taht wehn im durnk !



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Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
« Reply #33 on: March 24, 2013, 01:42:05 AM »
snip...
NEW INPUT = 110 WATTS
snip...
TOTAL ON-LOAD OUTPUT = 20 WATTS
O/U by (-)81.2%. Slightly better than your results a few years ago. Now you've only got to recoup another 81.201 % to be O/U

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Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
« Reply #34 on: March 24, 2013, 02:57:29 AM »
IGNORANCE IS NOT BLISS PART DEUX

AS PART THE DISPENSING OF IGNORANCE ON THIS FORUM



Dearest  Thane Heins Sir,


You should feel lucky to make your postings in ignorant forums because if you make such postings in knowledgible forums, people reading it may fire you with bad words.
 



TOTAL ON-LOAD OUTPUT = 20 WATTS

TOTAL ON-LOAD INPUT = 10 WATTS

EFFICIENCY 20/10 X 100 = 200%  8)

 


Such sort of efficiency calculation may be taught  only in Ottawa University as a part of latest developments in mathematical physics.   I am an old man, studied in old school of physics where I was taught that overall efficiency of any system is the ratio of overall output to overall input.  As per your above description,  no generator in this world would have overall efficiency more than 50%.   If you tell the same thing to a generator manufacturer,  he may also fire you with bad words.

http://www.powerelectricalblog.com/2007/03/generator-efficiency.html





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Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
« Reply #35 on: March 24, 2013, 03:19:12 AM »

I am an old man, studied in old school of physics where I was taught that overall efficiency of any system is the ratio of overall output to overall input.  As per your above description,  no generator in this world would have overall efficiency more than 50%.   If you tell the same thing to a generator manufacturer,  he may also fire you with bad words.

http://www.powerelectricalblog.com/2007/03/generator-efficiency.html

WELL SIR PERHAPS THEY SHOULD HAVE WRITTEN IN ALL CAPS IN YOUR SCHOOL BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T SEE THE TRUE FACT THAT THE INPUT IS NOT THE "OVERALL INPUT" AS YOU SAY BUT RATHER THE OUTPUT OF THE DRIVING ENGINE IN MECHANICAL WATTS NOT THE "OVERALL" INPUT POWER CONSUMPTION OF THE DRIVING ENGINE...  ;)

AS I SAID BACK IN 2008 - AND REPEATED AGAIN IN 2013...

A GENERATOR IS A DEVICE WHICH CONVERTS MECHANICAL POWER TO ELECTRICAL POWER AND THEREFORE THE INPUT TO A GENERATOR IS THE MECHANICAL POWER IN THE DRIVE SHAFT DRIVING THE GENERATOR AND HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THE EFFICIENCY OR INPUT TO THE MECHANICAL DRIVING ENGINE BUT RATHER THE OUTPUT OF THE MECHANICAL DRIVING ENGINE IN DRIVE SHAFT MECHANICAL WATTS...  :P

THANK YOU FOR HELPING CLEAR THAT UP.

NOW IF WE USE THE TRUTH ABOVE AND APPLY IT TO THIS VIDEOS HERE:
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLkH1zLdXy1SypPD7inxAYi8MjkQk91syC

WE WILL CONCLUDE THAT A GENERATOR THAT HAS A DRIVESHAFT THAT IS ALREADY DECELERATING ON NO-LOAD HAS ABSOLUTELY NO POWER IN IT TO DRIVE A GENERATOR AND CERTAINLY NO ABILITY TO ACCELERATE A GENERATOR AND SUPPLY INCREASING POWER TO A LOAD BECAUSE;

MECHANICAL DRIVE SHAFT POWER = TORQUE x SPEED

AND A DRIVE SHAFT THAT IS DECELERATING HAS NEGATIVE TORQUE (LESS THAN ZERO).

SO WHEN THE ReGenX GENERATOR ACCELERATES ITSELF AS SHOWN IN THE VIDEO AND SUPPLIES INCREASING AMOUNTS OF POWER TO THE LOAD - IT'S STARTING WITH A DRIVE SHAFT THAT HAS ZERO WATTS OF MECHANICAL POWER IN IT AND IS OPERATING WITH INFINITE EFFICIENCY.

REGARDS
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Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
« Reply #36 on: March 24, 2013, 07:00:06 AM »
Writing posts in all Capitol letters is like yelling at people, which is rude. I refuse to read posts that are all capitols.
If you don't want me to read your post's Thane then write in all capitol letters.

Short circuiting the grid output or a battery is a whole lot different from short circuiting a generator which drops significant voltage while powering
less than 100 Watts, they are very different supplies. Like comparing watermelons to grapes or like comparing a 1 mega Watt generator to a 50 Watt generator.
When you short circuit a high impedance coil connected a grid socket it is different to shorting a 0.5 Ohm coil connected to a grid socket. A high resistance high inductance coil
can have more DC resistance than a bulb an so therefore dissipate more energy as heat.

Fact 1. I produced a generator which accelerated under load, it was not OU or over 100 % efficient. I didn't require any high impedance coils.
Fact 2. I produced the effect of a decreased input to a transformer under load, it wasn't OU either. Adjusting the magnitude of the effect was easy I could make it so that the
input did not change, so the input increased or so the input decreased.
Fact 3. I used a Tesla transformer to generate a sine wave output which I used to input to another transformer to power loads, I could also produce the reduction of input with
load and short circuit with that arrangement, and guess what it wasn't OU or over 100 % efficient either.

All experiments reduced the load on the supply battery when a load was applied, it is the application of the load which improves the efficiency of the devices.

As I showed in my demo a small load can be powered fully and still see the acceleration, but not a larger load.

The trick is to create a generator or transformer with a very high idle input power because of increased Lenz effect at idle due to the high capacitance, inductance
of the coils and voltage produced, storing significant energy and causing significant Lenz drag, when the load is applied the energy able to be stored in the coil is
less because of the voltage drop the load imparts, hence the loaded lenz effect is less than the unloaded Lenz effect.

I think my scope shots show that.

As I said proof is in the pudding, when it comes to a vehicle there is no grid to use and say that the input to the prime mover from the grid is irrelevant.

Using the Tesla coils one as the generator supplied by a battery I could almost reduce the input to the generator to nothing, but with no input there is no output either.

Cheers

P.S. And a regular generator has a function where if the output voltage tries to drop the input power to the prime mover is increased so that the load is always
supplied with the rated power of the system 240v, 110v ect. You're regenX setups just let the voltage drop and don't power all loads at the rated voltage or thereabouts.

..

What would happen to the input power of a regular generator if it did not increase the input power to accommodate the load at the rated power ? Maybe  the rpm would drop
less fuel could be used and the input would decrease maybe to the point it could sustain the load at a lowered input voltage and power. I'm not sure I haven't tried it.

..

 

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Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
« Reply #37 on: March 24, 2013, 07:04:58 AM »
Thane:

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THE LAW OF CONSERVATION OF ENERGY IS FALSE AND HAS ALWAYS BEEN FALSE IN ANY ELECTRICAL SYSTEM IF A BEMF MAGNETIC FIELD IS CREATED. BECAUSE THIS BEMF ENERGY CAN AND DOES DO WORK...

EVERY GENERATOR, EVERY TRANSFORMER, EVERY MOTOR OR PIECE OF WIRE THAT PRODUCES BEMF IS ALREADY AN OVER-UNITY DEVICE.

The law of conservation of energy is not false when you examine electrical systems that make use of a back-EMF spike or discharge.  I think even most people on the free energy forums realize this or eventually have come to realize this.  If you think you know better then I challenge you to make a clip of an experiment that clearly demonstrates this claim you are making with all input power or energy measurements and all output power or energy measurements clearly indicated and explained.

For your second statement above I would imagine that many readers are puzzled because in typical applications for transformers and and electrical generators there is no back-EMF spike at all.  The simplest analogy that explains the back-EMF spike is putting rotational energy into a flywheel and then suddenly applying the breaks to the flywheel.  Several experimenters around here get this.

The simple answer is that all of the energy in the back-EMF spike came from the battery that energized the coil in the first place.  So it would appear that you have to rethink your comments about back-EMF spikes in electrical systems or show an experiment that proves your claim.

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SO WHEN THE ReGenX GENERATOR ACCELERATES ITSELF AS SHOWN IN THE VIDEO AND SUPPLIES INCREASING AMOUNTS OF POWER TO THE LOAD - IT'S STARTING WITH A DRIVE SHAFT THAT HAS ZERO WATTS OF MECHANICAL POWER IN IT AND IS OPERATING WITH INFINITE EFFICIENCY.

There is no way that there are zero watts of mechanical power supplied to the drive shaft of a generator when it starts to accelerate under load to eventually stabilize at a higher RPM.

There is always mechanical power being applied by the prime mover to the drive shaft of a generator to keep it turning.  And that of course means that the generator is always applying an equal and opposite mechanical load to the supplied shaft power.  You seem to be stating that when the electrical load is applied to the generator coils that the generator stops producing back-torque to counter the torque applied by the prime mover.  That makes no sense.  The generator is still producing back-torque even as the rotor is accelerating in speed.   There are seveal sources of the back torque; mechanical friction, Lenz drag, and overcoming the moment of inertia of the rotor during the acceleration phase.

Look, you apply a load to a generator and you see the generator RPM speed up to stabilize at a new higher RPM.

Some possible explanations for the speed up after you attach a load to the generator coils:

1.  The prime mover of the generator (like an external motor) applies more power to the drive shaft.
2.  The generator coils offer less resistance to the turning of the generator rotor.  That could be due to some combination of Lenz' Law back-torque effects and how much rotational resistance is caused by the sticky spots (or lack of sticky spots) interacting with, and disturbing, the bearings.
3.  The generator becomes more efficient with more of the drive shaft power going to rotate the rotor and less of the drive shaft power being lost to waste heat in the form of bearing friction and air friction.
4.  Some combination of 1, 2 and 3 above.

I suspect that what you call "regenerative acceleration" is simply point #3 above in action.

So it's not as simple as seeing "acceleration" and thinking something unique or special is going on.   There is a clip on YouTube of a "star motor" or something like that where when a guy simply sticks a few big magnets on the outside of running motor chassis the motor speeds up.  I am assuming that many people have seen this clip but I couldn't find it.  The person in the clip makes some kind of claim that something special is happening.  In this case and without doing any measurements, it appears that the motor simply becomes more efficient because the rotor is seeing stronger external magnetic flux and presumably that causes more output torque, and therefore a higher RPM.  In the clip there is no load on the motor shaft before and after the applying of the magnets.  He applies the external magnets to the motor chassis and then the motor speeds up.

So, in this case you get a more efficient motor but there is a huge trade-off for getting that extra performance.  The motor is much bigger and much heavier after the external magnets are stuck onto the motor chassis.

MileHigh

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« Reply #38 on: March 24, 2013, 10:45:01 AM »

WELL SIR PERHAPS THEY SHOULD HAVE WRITTEN IN ALL CAPS IN YOUR SCHOOL BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T SEE THE TRUE FACT THAT THE INPUT IS NOT THE "OVERALL INPUT" AS YOU SAY BUT RATHER THE OUTPUT OF THE DRIVING ENGINE IN MECHANICAL WATTS NOT THE "OVERALL" INPUT POWER CONSUMPTION OF THE DRIVING ENGINE...  ;)

A GENERATOR IS A DEVICE WHICH CONVERTS MECHANICAL POWER TO ELECTRICAL POWER AND THEREFORE THE INPUT TO A GENERATOR IS THE MECHANICAL POWER IN THE DRIVE SHAFT DRIVING THE GENERATOR AND HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THE EFFICIENCY OR INPUT TO THE MECHANICAL DRIVING ENGINE BUT RATHER THE OUTPUT OF THE MECHANICAL DRIVING ENGINE IN DRIVE SHAFT MECHANICAL WATTS...  :P



Dear, dearer and dearest Thane Heins Sir.


Forget about the engine and think that your AUL generator is coupled with  a DC motor.   In that case the input power to motor will be in watts.  The output of generator will also be in watts.  The overall efficiency will be the ratio of output watts to input watts.  If this ratio is more than one,  then you can feed the generator out put back to motor making the unit self running.

Your argument is  that input  is the power available at motor shaft and not the wattage supplied to motor.

Think that you are supplying 100 Watts of electric power to the motor.  It may develop 90 watts of mechanical power at the shaft after losses in armature.  This 90 watts  shaft is connected to a AUL generator.    If AUL generator produces 101 watts,   then you can transfer 100 watts back to motor and take out 1 watt perpetual energy.     

When things are so simple, why sofar you are unable to make  a self running machine?

The reason would be that when you connect 90  watts shaft to AUL generator,   it will not produce 101 watts.   Generator will have maximum efficiency only at specific speed and on specific load.  ( see the efficiency vs speed curve and efficiency vs load curve ).   When generator accelerates beyond certain speed its efficiency goes down and in addition there will be regular generator losses.
     

AND A DRIVE SHAFT THAT IS DECELERATING HAS NEGATIVE TORQUE (LESS THAN ZERO).



If you load a 8 ton capacity truck with 16 tons and start the truck, the truck will not move.  It only means that the truck doesnot have capacity to pull 16 tons and does not mean that it is developing negative energy.  When drive shaft decelerates, it only means that it is unable to overcome the load and does not mean that it is developing negative torque.  ( what do you mean by negative torque?)


AND IS OPERATING WITH INFINITE EFFICIENCY.



As a old man I would request lord Electricus ( God of electricity)  to bless your generator with infinite efficiency, infinite current, infinite voltage, infinite wattage and your bike to run with  INFINITE SPEED.






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Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
« Reply #39 on: March 24, 2013, 12:40:03 PM »
When you short circuit a high impedance coil connected a grid socket it is different to shorting a 0.5 Ohm coil connected to a grid socket. A high resistance high inductance coil can have more DC resistance than a bulb an so therefore dissipate more energy as heat.

GOOD SCIENCE IS GOOD OBSERVATION AND AS MY MOTOR PROF ALWAYS SAID "IF IT DOESN'T WORK THE 1ST TIME GO BACK AND FOLLOW THE DIRECTIONS!"

NOTICE I NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT SHORTING A HIGH IMPEDANCE COIL CONNECTED TO A GRID SCOCKET...

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Fact 1. I produced a generator which accelerated under load, it was not OU or over 100 % efficient. I didn't require any high impedance coils.

YES I KNOW YOU SATURATED THE CORE... WHICH IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT STORY.

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Fact 2. I produced the effect of a decreased input to a transformer under load, it wasn't OU either. Adjusting the magnitude of the effect was easy I could make it so that the input did not change, so the input increased or so the input decreased.

YOU SHOULD PATENT IT.

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What would happen to the input power of a regular generator if it did not increase the input power to accommodate the load at the rated power ?

THE INPUT POWER TO ANY GENERATOR IS THE MECHANICAL POWER IN THE DRIVE SHAFT.

THE COUNTER-ELECTROMOTIVE-TORQUE FROM THE REGULAR GENERATOR WOULD ROB THE DRIVESHAFT OF TORQUE AND THE SYSTEM WOULD DECELERATE.

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Maybe the rpm would drop less fuel could be used and the input would decrease maybe to the point it could sustain the load at a lowered input voltage and power. I'm not sure I haven't tried it. 

IN FACT THE RPM WOULD DROP AND THE GENERATOR OUTPUT WOULD DROP AS WELL. IF THE FUEL WAS NOT INCREASED TO SUPPLY THE LOAD THE SYSTEM WOULD EVENTUALLY STALL AS PER HERE:

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLkH1zLdXy1SypPD7inxAYi8MjkQk91syC

IN A CORRECT ReGenX APPLICATION NO MAGNITUDE OF LOAD (AN INFINITE NUMER OF LIGHT BULBS CONNECTED IN PARALLEL)WILL NEVER CAUSE SYSTEM DECELERATION.

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« Reply #40 on: March 24, 2013, 12:56:33 PM »
Hi,
   could anyone say what's an AUL  generator please?
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Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
« Reply #41 on: March 24, 2013, 01:11:50 PM »
Thane:

There is no way that there are zero watts of mechanical power supplied to the drive shaft of a generator

WHEN IT IS DECELERATING - YOU BETTER BELIEVE THERE IS!  :D

AND IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW MUCH MECHANICAL POWER IS SUPPLIED TO IT - IT ONLY MATTERS WHAT THE DRIVESHAFT IS DOING...

A DRIVE SHAFT THAT IS ACCELERATING HAS ENERGY IN IT AND POSITIVE TORQUE.
(and will drive a generator until the generator counter-torque reduces the positive torque to NET zero)

A DRIVE SHAFT THAT IS AT A STEADY STATE SPEED HAS ZERO NET TORQUE AND ZERO NET ENERGY.
(will not drive a generator and will decelerate under an infinitely small load)

A DRIVE SHAFT THAT IS DECELERATING HAS A NEGATIVE TORQUE (I.E. LESS THAN ZERO).
(is the worst case scenario - absolutely zero mechanical input power and no way to ever be able to accelerate anything ever)

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There is always mechanical power being applied by the prime mover to the drive shaft of a generator to keep it turning.


NOT WHEN IT IS DECELERATING BABY!  ;)

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And that of course means that the generator is always applying an equal and opposite mechanical load to the supplied shaft power.  MileHigh

ABSOLUTELY AT A STEADY STATE SPEED YES.

MECHANICAL INPUT POWER = MECHANICAL LOAD REQUIREMENTS

SO THE NET TORQUE AND NET DRIVE SHAFT POWER IS ALWAYS ZERO AT ANY STEADY STATE SPEED IN ANY SYSTEM.

WHEN THE ReGenX GENERATOR BEGINS TO ACCELERATE ITSELF AND SUPPLY POWER TO THE LOAD IT DOES SO WITH ZERO WATTS OF MECHANICAL DRIVE SHAFT POWER AND INFINITE EFFICIENCY.

BTW, INFINITE EFFICIENCY IS NOT THE SAME AS INFINITE POWER, SPEED ECT.

REGARDS
Thane

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Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
« Reply #42 on: March 24, 2013, 01:43:38 PM »

Forget about the engine and think that your generator is coupled with  a DC motor.


AS WE DO HERE: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLkH1zLdXy1Sz9Osny42gbLvxLpdZsyDxw

HERE: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTH23w7p1OA&list=PLkH1zLdXy1SzzHRYMvvrodtTA7UPj6Zmy&index=1

AND HERE: http://www.slideshare.net/ThaneCHeins/regenx-jln-labs-independent-report1

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The overall efficiency will be the ratio of output watts to input watts. 

YES WHEN WE "FORGET ABOUT THE ENGINE"...

THE INPUT IS THE MECHANICAL POWER IN THE DRIVE SHAFT AND THE OUTPUT IS THE POWER TO THE LOAD.

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If this ratio is more than one,  then you can feed the generator out put back to motor making the unit self running.
ABSOLUTELY TRUE! BUT THE GENERATOR OUTPUT HAS TO EXCEED ALL THE LOSSES IN THE SYSTEM.

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Your argument is that input is the power available at motor shaft and not the wattage supplied to motor.

NOT MY ARGUEMENT YOUR ARGUEMENT BUT YOU ARE THE POOR OLD GUY RIGHT?

YOU PROBABLY FORGOT? SO I PUT IT BELOW AGAIN.

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Think that you are supplying 100 Watts of electric power to the motor.  It may develop 90 watts of mechanical power at the shaft after losses in armature.  This 90 watts  shaft is connected to a generator.

WHEN THIS 90 WATTS IS CONNECTED TO A GENERATOR THE GENERATORS INERTIA WILL REDUCE THIS AVAILABLE POWER ACCORDINGLY.

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If generator produces 101 watts,   then you can transfer 100 watts back to motor and take out 1 watt perpetual energy.
     

NOPE.

THE ENERGY REQUIRED TO DRIVE THE GENERATOR'S MECHANICAL LOAD ALSO HAS TO BE FACTORED IN.

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When things are so simple, why sofar you are unable to make  a self running machine?

WHO SAID WE HAVEN'T?

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As a old man I would request lord Electricus ( God of electricity)  to bless your generator with infinite efficiency, infinite current, infinite voltage, infinite wattage and your bike to run with  INFINITE SPEED.

THANK YOU POOR OLD MAN...  ;)

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Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
« Reply #43 on: March 24, 2013, 02:08:37 PM »
Hi,
   could anyone say what's an AUL  generator please?
                                                                         John.
                                                                               

Hi minnie.

AUL just stands for acceleration-under-load. A phenomenon noticed by Adams, Muller, possibly Newman (i don't know who spotted it first ?).

It can be saturation of the core or it can be to do with the retarded rise-time of the inductor.

I think it's something more than this, there are some strange effects that can't be explained conventionally.

Motor-generators are a mature technology, which means that noone tries to make them very differently, which means that exploration of topology, speed, frequency has taken a few, fixed paths.

Thane has taken this effect further than anyone, he's pushed the boundaries.

If you go to the first page of this thread there are videos and documents that explain the theory.


All the best,

DC.

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Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
« Reply #44 on: March 24, 2013, 02:26:17 PM »
Thane has taken this effect further than anyone, he's pushed the boundaries.

AND WITH ANY LUCK - ALL THE WAY TO THE ANL AND US DOE  :)

AND WHY VETTING ALL THE POSSIBLE IDIOTIC ARGUEMENT(S) IS SO IMPORTANT AND NECESSARY HERE AS IS EXPANDING THE KNOWLEDGE BASE AND PRESERVING THE INNOVATION.

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: PDi ReGenX Demo to U.S. - Argonne National Laboratory (ANL) & DOE
From: <thaneh@potentialdifference.ca>
Date: Sat, March 23, 2013 12:16 pm
To: "Johnson, Larry R."
Cc: Christy Cooper, Yury Kalish, David Danielson, Patrick Davis, Ian Potter, David Lisk, Gilles Leclerc, James E Hansen

Dear Larry,
 
Thank you for responding.
 
PDi would be very happy to come to Chicago at our expense and provide your engineers at the Argonne National Laboratory (and DOE) with a live ReGenX demo as soon as the arrangements can be made.
 
We would also be very happy to show you how the USA can begin to meet President Obama's Target below in one year (not 10) and for zero dollars (not $2 billion).
 
With support (official or unofficial) from the ANL and the DOE, PDi will provide any US company interested with a manufacturing and or distribution IP license and we will provide all the necessary manufacturing templates via our engineering partners in the UK, Germany, France, Canada and the USA.
 
No additional research funds are required and the innovation is currently being integrated into several EV platforms globally.
 
Here is an interim ReGenX report as prepared for Richard Branson and Prince Charles for their pending demo in the UK from the same scientist who has provided demonstrations previously to Kofi Annan and the UN.

JLN Labs FRANCE ReGenX Report: http://www.slideshare.net/ThaneCHeins/regenx-jln-labs-independent-report1
 
Also please find attached independent test data as provided by a retired National Research Council of Canada scientist which shows the ReGenX generator delivering over 200% more power to a load with 40% less input energy required over a conventional generator at the same RPM (lines 5 & 7). As you know in an EV this would translate to over 200% more range with 40% less battery power and about triple the current range of any EV on the road today. We would replay this test protocol identically for your engineers in any informal or formal demonstration.
 
Kind regards
Thane
 
Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil  

President Barack Obama is pushing Congress to authorize $200 million a year for research into clean energy technologies that can wean automobiles off oil.
 
Obama proposed the idea of an energy security trust last month in his State of the Union address, but he was putting a price tag on the idea during a trip Friday to the Argonne National Laboratory outside Chicago - $2 billion over 10 years. The White House said the research would be paid for with revenue from federal oil and gas leases on offshore drilling and would not add to the deficit.
 
The money would fund research on "breakthrough" technologies such as batteries for electric cars and biofuels made from switch grass or other materials. Researchers also would look to improve use of natural gas as a fuel for cars and trucks.
http://www.pddnet.com/news/2013/03/obama-wants-research-wean-vehicles-oil-0?et_cid=3142699&et_rid=353761931&linkid=http%3a%2f%2fwww.pddnet.com%2fnews%2f2013%2f03%2fobama-wants-research-wean-vehicles-oil-0&goback=%2Egmr_3049403%2Egde_3049403_member_223327427 
 
 
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Subject: RE: U.S. - China Clean Energy Research Center Introduction to Regenerative Acceleration Generator (ReGenX) Technology
From: Johnson, Larry R.
Date: Fri, March 22, 2013 5:20 pm
To: "thaneh@potentialdifference.ca" <thaneh@potentialdifference.ca>
Cc: christy.cooper, yury.kalish, David.Danielson, patrick.davis, Ian Potter, David Lisk, Gilles.Leclerc, James.e.hansen


Thane Heins
 
I regret the delay in responding, but our engineers were very busy last week preparing for President Barack Obama visit to Argonne on Friday to see our transportation research. 
 
A few of us have taken a quick look at the links you provided.  Needless to say, it is an interesting concept.  We appreciate the offer to come to Ottawa to see a live demonstration, but with tight budgets, we would not be able to do that.  You mention that you could also demonstrate the device at TRACC’s location.  Do you have a working relationship with TRACC?  Certainly if you come to the Chicago area, we could carve out some time to observe a demonstration. 
 
To be clear, we are not funded by the Department of Energy to conduct testing and evaluations of novel energy concepts.  On occasion, we have conducted these types of tests at the specific direction of DOE or in rare cases when funded by a company.  Therefore unless we are directed by DOE to conduct an assessment of your new generator, we would only be able to observe your demonstration, but would not likely be in a position to officially comment on it. That said, several of us would be interested seeing your demonstration should you have occasion to be in the Chicago area.
 
Regards,
 
   Larry
 
From: thaneh@potentialdifference.ca [mailto:thaneh@potentialdifference.ca]
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2013 5:55 AM
To: Johnson, Larry R.
Cc: christy.cooper; yury.kalish; David.Danielson; patrick.davis; Ian Potter; David Lisk; Gilles.Leclerc; james.e.hansen

Subject: U.S. - China Clean Energy Research Center Introduction to Regenerative Acceleration Generator (ReGenX) Technology

Dear Dr. Johnson,
 
Please allow me to introduce you to (and invite you to a live demonstration) of a new electric generator innovation that has been developed here in Canada at the University of Ottawa which has the capacity to reverse the regenerative braking paradigm that currently exists in EVs and produce regenerative acceleration in its place.
 
The ReGenX generator innovation reverses the counter-electromotive-torque or decelerative torque produced by all generators which causes EVs to decelerate while recharging their batteries and creates a complementary-electromotive-torque or accelerative torque in its place.
 
This innovation allows EVs to recharge themselves as they drive and does not rely on vehicle inertia to drive the generator.
 
Because a complementary-electromotive-torque is produced, the ReGenX generator can begin recharging an EV's batteries at 4 mph and continue to do so during acceleration, coasting and during braking. Regenerative braking can also be retained if desired.
 
The graph below shows a conventional 'regenerative braking' generator (in red) on load and the ReGenX regenerative acceleration generator in blue.
 
The conventional generator creates a counter-electromotive-torque and causes system deceleration under load whereas the ReGenX generator creates a complementary-electromotive-torque and accelerates the system under load. These tests are being produced independently in France http://jnaudin.free.fr/dlenz/DLE08en.htm 
 
This link (http://jnaudin.free.fr/dlenz/DLE09en.htm) provides test data concerning charging an EV battery with system acceleration.
 
If you are interested in a live Regenerative Acceleration Generator demonstration here in Ottawa or in at TRACC's location in Chicago please let me know at your convenience. The demonstration would be very similar to this one:http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLkH1zLdXy1SypPD7inxAYi8MjkQk91syC
 
http://jnaudin.free.fr/dlenz/DLE08en.htm

http://jnaudin.free.fr/dlenz/DLE09en.htm
 
Kind regards
Thane
 
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