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Author Topic: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles  (Read 60942 times)

Offline DeepCut

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PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
« on: March 20, 2013, 04:49:44 PM »
This thread is to explore, explain and exploit the Regenerative Acceleration and Bi-Toroid Transformer Technologies of Thane C. Heins.

I hope we can all have good discussions and benefit from this, as it is very real and i think it will be a commercial success over the next couple of years.


All the best,

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Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2013, 05:13:21 PM »
We have all heard of Jean-Louis Naudin, whom i respect very much.

He has performed very good tests of both the BiTT and the RegenX technologies.

At Thane Heins' slideshare pages, you can view summaries of these replications.

Here is the RegenX slideshow :

http://www.slideshare.net/ThaneCHeins/regenx-jln-labs-independent-report1

Here is the BiTT slideshow :

http://www.slideshare.net/ThaneCHeins/bitoroid-transformer-bitt-jlnreport

Here is the website of Jean-Louis Laboratories with his recent testing :

http://jnaudin.free.fr/

Here is Jean-Louis' YT channel :

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCWBgBvRQ0nJkotHljpyrvGQ

At my channel you can see OverUnityGuides excellent explanation of the Heins Effect :

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4CUJ-q-dXiRjiUaoaM_ReAtmGyM2Ic1q

as well as my humble replications :

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4CUJ-q-dXiQpECWjBooJY8fdVT_3Kh9s

Read, watch, learn and enjoy - then replicate !


All the best,

DC.






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Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2013, 01:53:42 PM »
Just about anything anyone would want to know about the ReGenX and BiTT developments and commercialization is here on my Slideshare Account: slideshare http://www.slideshare.net/ThaneCHeins   

Recent developments on PDi's Youtube Channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/pdicanada1 

and LinkedIn: Linkedin http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=107557432&trk=tab_pro

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Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
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Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2013, 05:11:19 PM »
Repost from "Confirming Lenz delay":
 
They'll be no Nobel Prize for Thane Heins, primarily because the speed up effect of high impedance output coils on magnet rotors was a well established effect, observed by numerous experimenters, long before Thane ever got involved with it. Everyone went up the same tree with it that Thane's perched in with his complaint of 3 laboratory ransackings. All Thane's regenerative patents are practically worthless because the effect is too ordinary and well documented going all the way back to Nicola Tesla; Like trying to patent a new food dehydrator! Thane won't address my magnet core discovery, because it's too simple to patent, and sends all Thane's proprietary work to a trash dumpster. The magnet core allows for overunity with a mere fraction of Thane's bulky copper wire coil wraps. I've been sedate about the discovery to not rock Thane's boat, but I'm forcing it out now.
 
Skycollection's latest "Lenz Delay" video demonstrates how powerfull the rotor acceleration is with wire coils alone. His stack of 6 Tesla Pancake coils are coreless, with zero magnetic core drag. Ferrite cores are a handicap. All Thane's work with ferrite core output coils for regenerative purposes, was a complete waste of time. Thane's research has been eclipsed by thousands of contributors working in unison from all over the Planet. Skycollection's setup renders all Thane's ferrite core coil patents obsolete.

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Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2013, 05:45:46 PM »
Repost from "Confirming Lenz delay":
 
They'll be no Nobel Prize for Thane Heins, primarily because the speed up effect of high impedance output coils on magnet rotors was a well established effect, observed by numerous experimenters, long before Thane ever got involved with it. Everyone went up the same tree with it that Thane's perched in with his complaint of 3 laboratory ransackings. All Thane's regenerative patents are practically worthless because the effect is too ordinary and well documented going all the way back to Nicola Tesla; Like trying to patent a new food dehydrator! Thane won't address my magnet core discovery, because it's too simple to patent, and sends all Thane's proprietary work to a trash dumpster. The magnet core allows for overunity with a mere fraction of Thane's bulky copper wire coil wraps. I've been sedate about the discovery to not rock Thane's boat, but I'm forcing it out now.

ACTUALLY SYNCHRO I WON'T ADDRESS YOUR MAGNET CORE DISCOVERY OR ANY OF YOUR FUTURE POSTS BECAUSE YOU ARE A NASTY PRICK ;)

AND DC IS ACTUALLY A VERY GOOD JUDGE OF CHARACTER.

I HOPE HE HAS MODERATOR PRIVILEGES SO HE CAN DELETE YOUR RANT... AND KEEP THIS DISCUSSION CLEAN FOR A WHILE?

BTW. PDi's PATENTS DON'T PERTAIN TO ROTOR ACCELERATION ANYWAY BUT FLUX HARVESTING IN ReGen-X MOTORS, ReGenX GENERATORS AND BiTTS.

NOW YOU'LL HAVE TO WAIT ANOTHER 16 MONTHS BEFORE YOU CAN SPOUT SOUR GRAPES ON THAT INNOVATION...

CHEERS
Thane

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Email: thaneh@potentialdifference.ca
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Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
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Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2013, 05:54:33 PM »
ACTUALLY SYNCHRO I WON'T ADDRESS YOUR MAGNET CORE DISCOVERY OR ANY OF YOUR FUTURE POSTS BECAUSE YOU ARE A NASTY PRICK ;)

AND DC IS ACTUALLY A VERY GOOD JUDGE OF CHARACTER.

I HOPE HE HAS MODERATOR PRIVILEGES SO HE CAN DELETE YOUR RANT... AND KEEP THIS DISCUSSION CLEAN FOR A WHILE?

BTW. PDi's PATENTS DON'T PERTAIN TO ROTOR ACCELERATION ANYWAY BUT FLUX HARVESTING IN ReGen-X MOTORS, ReGenX GENERATORS AND BiTTS.

NOW YOU'LL HAVE TO WAIT ANOTHER 16 MONTHS BEFORE YOU CAN SPOUT SOUR GRAPES ON THAT INNOVATION...

CHEERS
Thane

Thane C. Heins
President & CEO
Potential +/- Difference Inc. R & D
"Change catalysts using our potential to make a positive difference"
Email: thaneh@potentialdifference.ca
Cell: 613.795.1602
YOUTUBE http://www.youtube.com/user/pdicanada1 
Linkedin http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=107557432&trk=tab_pro
slideshare http://www.slideshare.net/ThaneCHeins

Yet another example of someone who, lacking intelligence, resorts to name calling. Your bully tactics can not cover your stupidity! There's no way you can harvest more flux by slowing the magnet rotor down!

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Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2013, 06:09:27 PM »
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Thane

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Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2013, 06:47:49 PM »

Thane Heins Sir,

Do you have a AUL  generator - motor set in which output of generator is fed back to motor making the set perpetual without consuming energy from any external source?  If  you have such a set,  can you please post a video of it?   

I have also conducted several experiments on AUL with different methods.  But sofar I have failed to make the system perpetual.  I don't think that sending output from generator to charge a battery is the correct test for overunity.  Because battery will have its own parameters.

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Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2013, 08:09:13 PM »
Thane Heins Sir,

Do you have a AUL  generator - motor set in which output of generator is fed back to motor making the set perpetual without consuming energy from any external source?  If  you have such a set,  can you please post a video of it?   

I have also conducted several experiments on AUL with different methods.  But sofar I have failed to make the system perpetual.  I don't think that sending output from generator to charge a battery is the correct test for overunity.  Because battery will have its own parameters.

SORRY NO VIDEO YET - MAYBE SOON...!  :P
GOOD STORY BELOW HOWEVER.

ANY GENERATOR THAT ACCELERATES UNDER LOAD IS ADDING ENERGY INTO THE SYSTEM AND IS OVERUNITY - I WOULD SUGGEST THAT EVERYONE DO SOME HOMEWORK AND READ ENERGY, WORK, AND ABOVE ALL THE WORK ENERGY PRINCIPLE HERE: http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/work.html#wep

THE WORK ENERGY PRINCIPLE SAYS THAT:
 
"The change in the kinetic energy of an object MUST equal to the net work done on the object."

AND THE NET WORK DONE ON THE OJECT HAS TO BE PROVIDED EXTENALLY NOT INTERNALLY BECAUSE THE ENERGY REQUIRED TO DO SAID WORK CANNOT BE CREATED OR DESTROYED.

THE KINETIC ENERGY IN A ReGenX SYSTEM IS ALWAYS HIGHER ON-LOAD THAN ON NO-LOAD AND IS CREATING ITS OWN ENERGY REQUIRED TO ACCELERATE ITSELF (AND INCREASE AND CHANGE ITS OWN KINETIC ENERGY).

CHEERS
Thane

Thane C. Heins
President & CEO
Potential +/- Difference Inc. R & D
"Change catalysts using our potential to make a positive difference"
Email: thaneh@potentialdifference.ca
Cell: 613.795.1602
YOUTUBE http://www.youtube.com/user/pdicanada1 
Linkedin http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=107557432&trk=tab_pro
Slideshare http://www.slideshare.net/ThaneCHeins

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Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2013, 08:09:13 PM »
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Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
« Reply #9 on: March 21, 2013, 08:24:30 PM »
Repost from "Confirming Lenz delay":
 
They'll be no Nobel Prize for Thane Heins, primarily because the speed up effect of high impedance output coils on magnet rotors was a well established effect, observed by numerous experimenters, long before Thane ever got involved with it. Everyone went up the same tree with it that Thane's perched in with his complaint of 3 laboratory ransackings. All Thane's regenerative patents are practically worthless because the effect is too ordinary and well documented going all the way back to Nicola Tesla; Like trying to patent a new food dehydrator! Thane won't address my magnet core discovery, because it's too simple to patent, and sends all Thane's proprietary work to a trash dumpster. The magnet core allows for overunity with a mere fraction of Thane's bulky copper wire coil wraps. I've been sedate about the discovery to not rock Thane's boat, but I'm forcing it out now.
 
Skycollection's latest "Lenz Delay" video demonstrates how powerfull the rotor acceleration is with wire coils alone. His stack of 6 Tesla Pancake coils are coreless, with zero magnetic core drag. Ferrite cores are a handicap. All Thane's work with ferrite core output coils for regenerative purposes, was a complete waste of time. Thane's research has been eclipsed by thousands of contributors working in unison from all over the Planet. Skycollection's setup renders all Thane's ferrite core coil patents obsolete.

1. Thane isn't after a Nobel prize.
2. Yes it was an established effect. Adams, Muller, Newman, i agree with this point but Thane has taken it further.
3. You make claims about your magnetic core and yet show no results. I am trying to confirm this for you and all of us even though you and i have fallen out.
4. If Thane had made a post like your post i am quoting here, you would have responded to him, as you unfairly responded to me, with "these are my final words to you".
5. I suggest you do some self-examination and perhaps ignore this thread if it upsets you.


All the best,

DC.

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Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
« Reply #10 on: March 21, 2013, 09:28:18 PM »
If I can try to make a helpful suggestion about motor testing in neutral territory it would be this:

If you can measure the deceleration of a rotor after you remove the power it can tell you how much mechanical power the pulse motor is putting into the rotor to make it steady-state turn to drive the pick-up coils to drive the load.  The other key piece of information you need is the moment of inertia of the rotor.

Let's assume that you either have a DSO to record "ticks" or you can load a program into your microcontroller to record the time stamp of "ticks."

Suppose your rotor has four magnets.  So if you use a Hall sensor you can get four ticks per rotation.  So you cut power to the motor and record the ticks.  Obviously as the rotor slows down the time between ticks increases.  That's showing you the deceleration.

To measure the moment of inertia of the rotor, you could attach a weight to a thread that is spooled around the shaft of the rotor.  So as the weight falls the rotor slowly speeds up.  Here you need to measure ticks again or perhaps analyze video frames.  You know the weight and the shaft diameter.  Therefore you know the torque that the weight puts on the shaft.  You just measured the acceleration of the rotor with the ticks, so that gives you enough information to derive the moment of inertia of the rotor.

When you cut the power to the pulse motor, the rotor keeps spinning and powering the load.  That causes the rotor to decelerate and since you know the moment of inertia, you know how much energy is stored in the rotor at a given RPM.

When you crunch the numbers you can then derive the mechanical watts required to keep the rotor spinning at a given RPM and drive the load through the pick-up coils.  So you can measure the pulse motor electrical power input, and also measure the pulse motor mechanical power output.

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Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
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Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
« Reply #11 on: March 21, 2013, 10:50:15 PM »
ACTUALLY SYNCHRO I WON'T ADDRESS YOUR MAGNET CORE DISCOVERY OR ANY OF YOUR FUTURE POSTS BECAUSE YOU ARE A NASTY PRICK ;)

snip...

AND KEEP THIS DISCUSSION CLEAN FOR A WHILE?

You could help keep it clean by refraining from your usual name calling.

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Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2013, 11:02:58 PM »
If I can try to make a helpful suggestion about motor testing in neutral territory it would be this:

If you can measure the deceleration of a rotor after you remove the power it can tell you how much mechanical power the pulse motor is putting into the rotor to make it steady-state turn to drive the pick-up coils to drive the load.  The other key piece of information you need is the moment of inertia of the rotor.

Let's assume that you either have a DSO to record "ticks" or you can load a program into your microcontroller to record the time stamp of "ticks."

Suppose your rotor has four magnets.  So if you use a Hall sensor you can get four ticks per rotation.  So you cut power to the motor and record the ticks.  Obviously as the rotor slows down the time between ticks increases.  That's showing you the deceleration.

To measure the moment of inertia of the rotor, you could attach a weight to a thread that is spooled around the shaft of the rotor.  So as the weight falls the rotor slowly speeds up.  Here you need to measure ticks again or perhaps analyze video frames.  You know the weight and the shaft diameter.  Therefore you know the torque that the weight puts on the shaft.  You just measured the acceleration of the rotor with the ticks, so that gives you enough information to derive the moment of inertia of the rotor.

When you cut the power to the pulse motor, the rotor keeps spinning and powering the load.  That causes the rotor to decelerate and since you know the moment of inertia, you know how much energy is stored in the rotor at a given RPM.

When you crunch the numbers you can then derive the mechanical watts required to keep the rotor spinning at a given RPM and drive the load through the pick-up coils.  So you can measure the pulse motor electrical power input, and also measure the pulse motor mechanical power output.

MileHigh

Thanks very much MH, that's really helpful :)

I've not gotten to the stage where i have to do these measurements so i knew nothing about them.


All the best,

DC.

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Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2013, 11:50:53 PM »
If you can make the measurements then you can understand the basic power dynamics of any similar setup.

Input electrical power will get split into mechanical power to the rotor and waste heat(1).

Mechanical power to the rotor will get split into the electrical power to the load and waste heat(2).

So if you can measure input electrical power (with multimeters), the rotor power (with ticks), and output power to the load (with multimeters), then you can also calculate waste heat(1) and waste heat(2).

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Re: PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles
« Reply #14 on: March 22, 2013, 03:24:28 AM »

THE KINETIC ENERGY IN A ReGenX SYSTEM IS ALWAYS HIGHER ON-LOAD THAN ON NO-LOAD AND IS CREATING ITS OWN ENERGY REQUIRED TO ACCELERATE ITSELF (AND INCREASE AND CHANGE ITS OWN KINETIC ENERGY).



Any system cannot creat its own energy to accelerate itself.   If you remove motor from the AUL set will the generator alone rotate on its own creating its own energy?  IT WILL NOT.   The motor - generator set behaves as a single energy unit so that any change in generator output will cause a change in the motor output keeping the energy of the system constant as a whole.

When generator accelerates under load it will also rotate the motor rotor at higher speed since both are coupled.  When motor rotor rotates at higher speed,  it will cause more back emf induced in the rotor winding which in turn automatically reduce the torque of motor.

It means that the loss of torque on the motor side will appear as acceleration under load on the generator side.  But the total output of this system as a whole will always remain lesser than the power input to the system from the external source.   If not when generator accelerates on load, if you remove the motor or cut off the external power supply to motor will the set run on its own?   IT WILL NOT. (I have tried it).

I think you are conducting experiments on AUL since 2003 which is since a decade.  But so far you have failed to make the system perpetual.  I don't think it is possible with  your method.  (sorry to say that)
 





 

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