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Title: Thane Heins BiToroid discussion
Post by: norman6538 on March 20, 2013, 03:15:53 PM
We need a place to discuss this since Naudin has replicated it but I do not
see an active forum where there is a discussion so I start it here.
Norman

see http://www.jlnlab.com (http://www.jlnlab.com)
He routes the backemf away from the primary coil so a load does not
draw any more wattage than noload.
It not OU because it takes about 9 watts to run it and puts out 3 watts
but the diverted backemf is a BIG DEAL.

and I found this but its back on 2010


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVYiT4zK9Kc  13 mins
at 1m 52s in 106.9 mw out 403.3 mw 377%
alt flux path 10 times primary
after about 4 mins he goes into the theory stuff

Uploaded on Oct 16, 2010

FREE ENERGY # 35 BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER - 377 % OVER UNITY

The other hot one is the induction cooker that powers a Tesla pancake coil
that outputs more than the input power.
Title: Re: Thane Heins BiToroid discussion
Post by: gyulasun on March 20, 2013, 04:03:11 PM
Hi Norman,

I agree with you that getting 3W output without increasing the input draw is a big achievement but if the input power draw is a continuous 9W, then according to accepted rules it is not OU. 
Yes, the diverted backemf is a big deal, this is where the ball is to be carried and played with further on...

Thane has a unique and individual interpretation of defining his achievement, he surely has every right to define it as he wishes,  maybe you have noticed his long post just today here:
http://www.overunity.com/11350/confirming-the-delayed-lenz-effect/msg355217/#msg355217 (http://www.overunity.com/11350/confirming-the-delayed-lenz-effect/msg355217/#msg355217) 

Re on the induction cooker: if I got it correctly, Naudin measured about 1733W input and about 1596W output power as his latest tests showed:  http://jnaudin.free.fr/gegene/gegene22en.htm (http://jnaudin.free.fr/gegene/gegene22en.htm)  This is his input power to the cooker from the link: http://jnaudin.free.fr/gegene/images/heaterPwdInp.jpg (http://jnaudin.free.fr/gegene/images/heaterPwdInp.jpg)  and this is his output: http://jnaudin.free.fr/gegene/images/GegeneT18Res.jpg (http://jnaudin.free.fr/gegene/images/GegeneT18Res.jpg)

rgds,  Gyula
Title: Re: Thane Heins BiToroid discussion
Post by: norman6538 on March 20, 2013, 09:43:25 PM
Thanks Gyula for the induction cooker info. I took the bulb wattage as the output -
3330 watts.

I have not seen what Naudin used for his cores and I don't understand what
the usual looking transformer on top is for. Naudin did show the bottom two
round toroids in the video. I like the look of theenergydreamer because it
looks more like what Thane Heins showed and in this video after 4 minutes
where he gets into the theory and how it works.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVYiT4zK9Kc

Norman

Title: Re: Thane Heins BiToroid discussion
Post by: Magnethos on March 20, 2013, 11:14:01 PM
Thane Heins remembers me to Don Smith in some of his theories.
It should be a way to use electricity in transformers to get a lot of energy in the output.
I think reactive power can be amplified several times without affecting the power factor of the source.
If the power factor of the source is 0 then the current and the voltage are 90ยบ out of phase and no watts are consumed, just virtual power.

I've also check a way to extract electrical power from a transformer while don't changing the power factor.
Title: Re: Thane Heins BiToroid discussion
Post by: norman6538 on March 21, 2013, 12:13:30 AM
I just discovered another thread here just so you know but not much activity yet.
Norman
http://www.overunity.com/13398/pdi-regenerative-acceleration-and-bitt-principles/topicseen/#.UUpCUtGuo6I