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Title: High Efficiency Electric Motor
Post by: Koverunity on March 07, 2013, 11:23:48 PM
Howdy,

I'm a recent Electrical Engineering graduate with some extra free time, so I thought I would spend some time working on an electrical motor I’ve been thinking about for a while. I have been studying Free energy technologies over the years and focused my senior year at the University on Electricity and Magnetism, so that I could build my own high efficiency (or overunity) generator for my apartment.

The first step is building the coil, which will be a spiral Tesla pancake coil using #27 AWG copper coated square wire.  Each coil layer is connected in series and stacked on top of thin mylar sheets (image 4) . The wire is not cut when end of the wind is reached, but is wound back through the mylar spacers and then back through the center of the bobbin. The rotor will go through the center of the bobbin, which is where the Neyodymium Magnet will be.

For the power supply I’m building 64x 3.7V Lithium Ion ~ 2600mAh rechargeable  battery units, capable of 237VDC each. The rotor is spun using commutator brushes when the rotor is between 1:00 – 6:00. A DC Generator will be connected to the generator to collect the current  output it to another rechargeable  power supply. Then, It goes to a 12V car battery, and finally to the inverter, then back to the power supply or the TV.

I’ll post some more images of the motor but I just wanted to get some of your guys thoughts on the design.

Thanks!
Title: Re: High Efficiency Electric Motor
Post by: Neo-X on March 10, 2013, 07:05:29 PM
Hi Koverunity

What type of motor are u making? Homopolar motor with spiral coil rotor or dc motor? If homopolar motor, i think the polarity of magnet is wrong it must be in circular side of the magnet. Thats only my opinion since i dont know what are you really trying to make. Im interested to ur motor bcoz homopolar motor with spiral rotor is one of the motor i like to build.
Title: Re: High Efficiency Electric Motor
Post by: Koverunity on March 11, 2013, 12:06:18 AM
Hey Neo-x,

In homopolar motors the magnetic field poles don’t change and doesn’t require a commutator bush assembly.  The Neodymium magnet in this design is Diametrically Magnetized in order to assist the spinning of the rotor. As the rotor spins, the magnetic south pole is attracted to the north pole, thus increasing the RPM, as well as requiring less input power.

Here is a demonstration of this idea in action:

http://www.youtube.com/embed/fI9aFUGtzU8

He is using far less input voltage (45VDC) then I plan on using, which is why his motor is not as efficient as it could be. He could use a Rechargeable lithium ion battery bank to power the device and then use the capacitors to recharge the batteries while the device is in the overunity state. The next step would be to supply current from the capacitors to a 12V Automotive Battery, then use a 2,000 / 4,000 Watt 12VDC to 115VAC Power Inverter to power something useful, like a computer and monitor.



Title: Re: High Efficiency Electric Motor
Post by: Neo-X on March 11, 2013, 03:37:58 AM
I still dont get your idea. Anyway goodluck to your work i hope u will succede. :)
Title: Re: High Efficiency Electric Motor
Post by: e2matrix on March 11, 2013, 04:52:07 AM
Koverunity,  Welcome to overunity.com.    Your design is fascinating and obviously has a lot of thought and research in it.   There's been a lot of interest lately in Tesla pancake coils and I think it's good you are doing some research with them.
     I assume you know how dangerous Lithium Ion batteries can be if discharged too fast or if not charged properly.   When they are in series as it appears you are using them there is the potential for greater problems if one starts going bad.  It's best to keep a close tabs on all of them to make sure none are showing a lower voltage than the rest.   I believe partly for those problems most people end up using lead acid or NiMh batteries for such projects.   Best of luck with your design and please keep us posted on how it does. 
Title: Re: High Efficiency Electric Motor
Post by: angryScientist on March 11, 2013, 07:27:48 AM
Hi Koverunity,

I am a little bit confused. You say you have a stack of pancake coil arranged in a bobbin or solenoid. Now you are going to coaxially rotate a magnet within it? How is the field going to cut across the coil?

Maybe I'm missing something but it looks like it is not going to generate any voltage upon the length of the wire. Even if you rotated that magnet across the face of the solenoid, as would normally generate a voltage, this coil would not because it would generate opposing currents within the single wire that would cancel each other.

Did you learn the left hand rule in your studies? Running a magnet across a wire, perpendicular to it's length will generate a difference in potential at it's ends. Running a magnet along the length of a wire will not. In fact, running a magnet along the length of a wire will generate a current but you will never see it because the wire itself will short circuit it.

Imagine a ditch  running from north to south. Now instead of pushing the water from the north you push it to the west. It's not going to go any where. There is no output to the west. It's just going to circle around in the ditch.

Remember everything that happens between magnetic lines of force and electric charges are all at 90 degrees to each other.

Best of luck to you.
Title: Re: High Efficiency Electric Motor
Post by: Koverunity on March 13, 2013, 01:10:01 AM
Hi Koverunity,

I am a little bit confused. You say you have a stack of pancake coil arranged in a bobbin or solenoid. Now you are going to coaxially rotate a magnet within it? How is the field going to cut across the coil?

Maybe I'm missing something but it looks like it is not going to generate any voltage upon the length of the wire. Even if you rotated that magnet across the face of the solenoid, as would normally generate a voltage, this coil would not because it would generate opposing currents within the single wire that would cancel each other.

Did you learn the left hand rule in your studies? Running a magnet across a wire, perpendicular to it's length will generate a difference in potential at it's ends. Running a magnet along the length of a wire will not. In fact, running a magnet along the length of a wire will generate a current but you will never see it because the wire itself will short circuit it.

Imagine a ditch  running from north to south. Now instead of pushing the water from the north you push it to the west. It's not going to go any where. There is no output to the west. It's just going to circle around in the ditch.

Remember everything that happens between magnetic lines of force and electric charges are all at 90 degrees to each other.

Best of luck to you.

I'm afraid I probably can't answer those questions until I finish the coil. One of the reasons that I am building this coil is becuase after getting about 10 different quotes from various wire winding company's to build it, the cheapest price they would design it for was $12,000, for a 4" ~ 150-200 layer coil.

Another reason is that many of the experiments I've studied that use this coil have very strange results.

http://www.angelfire.com/ak5/energy21/adamsmotor.htm
http://jnaudin.free.fr/gegene/indexen.htm

Also, the mention of these types of coils come up in the discussion of "scalar waves" which makes them of particular interest to me as well.
Title: Re: High Efficiency Electric Motor
Post by: nightlife on March 13, 2013, 05:06:27 AM
 I like your idea. I just hope you utilize both sides of the coil unlike the Q2. The Q2 is not utilizing both sides of each coil which is wasting 50% of the power used. Imagine how much more efficient it would be if they were utilized.
Title: Re: High Efficiency Electric Motor
Post by: Koverunity on March 14, 2013, 03:36:09 AM
I just came across these videos today:

http://www.youtube.com/user/skycollection/

This guy is doing some amazing work with pancake coils, especially his Compressed zero sky motor and steorn motors.
Title: Re: High Efficiency Electric Motor
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Title: Re: High Efficiency Electric Motor
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Title: Re: High Efficiency Electric Motor
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Title: Re: High Efficiency Electric Motor
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Title: Re: High Efficiency Electric Motor
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Title: Re: High Efficiency Electric Motor
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Title: Re: High Efficiency Electric Motor
Post by: Low-Q on February 23, 2019, 12:39:01 AM
As you are a recent Electrical Engineering graduate, I'm surprised you want to go for an over unity motor.
As you for sure should know better than most of us, a motor that can deliver more than you put in, is not possible.
At least, that was probably what you learned by the book and experiments at school.
Anyways, I whish you good luck in learning by practice, and that over unity isn't that easy to come around :-)


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